Selling Queen demos ?

I am not going to be dragged into a long drawn out argument - especially when everyone knows that 99% of this material was stolen from me in the first place. So allow me to make a statement if I may:

"IF" I do own an acetate - I only own a 12" plastic disc. Nothing more.

I do not own the music on that disc. I do not own the copyright to that music. The content is not my intellectual property to do with as I please; and I have always respected that.

Because to do otherwise would be to break the law, and that can mean very steep penalties such as huge fines and/or long jail sentences (or both), and I am not prepared to pay the price of either of those options.

I have listened to such type material in the privacy of my own home (I have never broadcast publically - even when invited to do so at conventions) and when meeting up with like-minded friends who own similar type rarities - we "may" have swapped electronic copies on the understanding of "personal use only", but this has always been based upon the strict understanding of a "gentleman's agreement" that this material is for private use only and cannot be "sold" or "released" because the contents are not mine/ours to do so.

You can scream, shout, threaten and beg for "Hangman" as long as you like you like, but the fact is - it is not mine to offer or distribute - so I cannot do so.

David R Fuller has in essence stolen and published tracks without permission which means Queen PLC CAN and MAY directly suit for Loss of earnings and/or including the loss of potential future earnings, and that is a bill which can run into hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars!

So for those who have just written to me saying "Pre-empt... release and be damned", forgive me for being a coward - but I will not be damned for the "sins" of others. Likewise any thoughts of financial donations or compensations towards the MPT charity - is a good idea, but I cannot do so. That is not my call to make.

So far, my only "crime" in all of this stupid affair was to trust someone whom was essentially untrustworthy - but hey even Jesus trusted Judas - so it can't be that big a sin!

As for David R Fuller - breaking his part his of a gentlemanly agreement is the very least of his worries...

He has now both distrubuted and broadcast (do you really think Radio 1 is actually free?), very sensitive material, and if that is not enough; he now also claims that he owns the copyright to these tracks too!

Does he honestly believe that he can just upload a (for example) unreleased Roger Taylor track on YouTube with a Copright by David R Fuller and that magically makes the consequences of his actions go away?

DISCLAIMER: I want it made perfectly clear to everyone; that these turn of events have nothing to do with me whatsoever, and that any electroniic copies which "may" have originally originate from me - were infact STOLEN, and I do not accept any responsibility or liabilty for his wantonly stupid and wreckless criminal behaviour.

Been lurking for awhile. This whole self-righteous "collectors" bunch are a riot. You spend a ridiculous amount of time and money on 99% drivel. About the only thing ever mentioned to be in the hands of one of you that is truly interesting is "Hangman" and I doubt that's even true. This John fellow hasn't offered up a 15 second audio sample has he? I heard all the unfinished scraps on youtube and "I Guess We're Falling Out" is the only song that's almost a full song. Now if someone had the Freddie version "Let Me In Your Heart Again" or actual finished Queen tracks that were unreleased I could get what the fuss is about but ad lib dees and dahs over skeletal backing tracks is only valuable to you obsessive collector elites.

Frankly unless there's good, completed stuff out there most Queen fans don't want to hear it anyway.

Selling is totally wrong and one can debate for hours if even giving it away for free or trading it would be legal either. I do find it interesting to see what is indeed available (even without having heard it)

I am still hanging on to the 2 earlier mentioned demos as well as some other recordings (I cant disclose all though)

1:40 min Show Must Go on Demo (drum-click track, keyboards, bass, + Freddie vocals , alternative lyrics)
2:33 min Innuendo Demo (lyrics are pretty close to the original, but a totally different middle part e.g. without the Spanish guitar part)
0:59 min Bijou Demo (Different guitar solo melody by Brian, middle part vocal by Freddie , but different take)
2:11 min All God's People (alternate take, different lyrics)
3:22 min Unfinished Song (Innuendo era), simple piano track + Freddie humming and trying out certain lyrics
etc
etc

Lets not turn this into a 'what is in the vaults that I want to hear' thread.

" he now also claims that he owns the copyright to these tracks too!
Does he honestly believe that he can just upload a (for example) unreleased Roger Taylor track on YouTube with a Copright by David R Fuller and that magically makes the consequences of his actions go away?"

This "copyright by DRF" thing actually did make me laugh out loud when I heard it. Absolutely nothing but ego. He might as well have whispered "aren't I great" over the thing. Would love DRF to come after me if I distributed HIS 'copyrighted' material

PS the whole 'Hangman' thing has been going on for so long now that I don't care if I never hear it. Have a feeling I would be massively underwhelmed if I did. Like a lot of unreleased Queen stuff. NOTHING can top hearing the Bo Rap master tape.

[QUOTE] [b]mooghead wrote:[/b]Like a lot of unreleased Queen stuff. NOTHING can top hearing the Bo Rap master tape.[/QUOTE]

Except perhaps master tapes from other gems (STL, '39, TPS...), but YMMV there.

As for Hangman ... I think that's an alright song but nothing I wouldn't be able to live without ... if there's a studio version and if I ever get to hear it it'll be nice, but if not, it's not the end of the world. BTW, any chance DRF has that one and is selling it? I wouldn't buy it - but if he were, it'd soon be on YT (with his watermark, though).

[QUOTE] [b]TRS-Romania wrote:[/b]

Selling is totally wrong and one can debate for hours if even giving it away for free or trading it would be legal either. I do find it interesting to see what is indeed available (even without having heard it)

I am still hanging on to the 2 earlier mentioned demos as well as some other recordings (I cant disclose all though)

1:40 min Show Must Go on Demo (drum-click track, keyboards, bass, + Freddie vocals , alternative lyrics)
2:33 min Innuendo Demo (lyrics are pretty close to the original, but a totally different middle part e.g. without the Spanish guitar part)
0:59 min Bijou Demo (Different guitar solo melody by Brian, middle part vocal by Freddie , but different take)
2:11 min All God's People (alternate take, different lyrics)
3:22 min Unfinished Song (Innuendo era), simple piano track + Freddie humming and trying out certain lyrics
etc
etc


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Can someone explain to me why many collectors here always say "I cant' disclosed all though"? Are they under contract from Queen Productions or something to not disclose anything is detail? I honestly don't know...

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I find it interesting that David Fuller continues to get these recordings. How? And he doesn't even try to hide the fact that he's the person who releases the content, etc. We all know that Queen Productions know this website exists and have not shut it down (which I'm thankful for). Seems to keep Queen relevant with serious Queen fans, this website.

If QPL wanted to shut David Fuller down, seems they would have already done so?

Just my two cents...for what's the worth. ha....

[QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b]

It may be surprising, but I think it could have to do with his expulsion from the core community. He knows he's on a permanent shit list with the collectors, he knows he's not welcome to participate here anymore, so how else is he going to get his kicks? Simple, selling rare stuff and once again pissing off the community and the collectors in the process, thus driving the wedge even further than it needed to be and screwing us over further back than you can say "stone age"[/QUOTE]

Not welcome to participate here anymore? He participates whenever he likes. What a strange statement. A bit like the recent intimation that he skulked off fom Fantholology like a thief in the night. If I recall, he was kicked out in a fit of pique and when the group calmed down and asked him back he couldn't be arsed with the drama and declined further participation. Not quite the same thing.

So for the sake of balance I'll just let everybody know that I've got the Easter Bunny tied up in my basement and as such if there is any chocolate or hair ribbons or toy cars and such at your house, David R. Fuller left that stuff there.

[QUOTE] [b]dowens wrote:[/b]

I find it interesting that David Fuller continues to get these recordings. How? And he doesn't even try to hide the fact that he's the person who releases the content, etc. We all know that Queen Productions know this website exists and have not shut it down (which I'm thankful for). Seems to keep Queen relevant with serious Queen fans, this website.

If QPL wanted to shut David Fuller down, seems they would have already done so?

Just my two cents...for what's the worth. ha....[/QUOTE]

I'd be surprised if some people were not still dealing with him on the down low because it's on one level a little bit of a stabby world of self interest and some amount of paranoia. If there can be a personal advantage to dealing with him I expect it's happening.

As for for getting shut down, some Steve Erkel firing off rounds of emails may have gotten his Tumblr taken down. If so it seems to be back under a different name. Or maybe google just has an old link, but I had gotten there previously via google and that link now fails. So not sure. But whatever happened, if anything, it didn't happen before that list was out for three days. Hard to predict how this will evolve.

[QUOTE] [b]mooghead wrote:[/b]

NOTHING can top hearing the Bo Rap master tape.[/QUOTE]

Maybe Queen II... ?

But yeah, this is the holy grail. It's the musical equivalent to learning how the pyramids were built.

As much as I love Queen II, I think I'd find SHA, ADATR and obviously ANATO more interesting.

[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]As for for getting shut down, some Steve Erkel firing off rounds of emails may have gotten his Tumblr taken down.[/QUOTE] a) That "some Steve Erkel" would be me, and I highly resent you making that offensive comparison. A public apology is in due order now. b) Indeed his Tumblr page is now down