A Night At The Opera will have a blu ray audio edition

inu-liger wrote:

e-man wrote:are they not aware that wembley, in terms of picture quality, cannot benefit from a HD transfer? or is that very fact a part of the joke/moan ?

Well I don't suppose you would have seen the "Days Of Our Lives" documentary in full high definition then, would you?
Seriously, even with the fact the archival footage used for the most is originally shot on standard definition video, it looks FANTASTIC in upconverted HD compared to standard DVD!

Not that I'm advocating a Wembley '86 re-release anytime soon (maybe they should wait until the 30th or 40th anniversary for that!), but in general I believe any concert shot on video would do fine on BD in that as far as encoding and specs go, BD allows up to 40Mbit/s for video encoding as opposed to DVD's 8Mbit/s, and there is the more significant advantage of having lossless surround sound audio (DVD's limited to either lossless 2.0 PCM or 5.1 DTS topping out at 1.5Mbit/s)

Also, for the North American/NTSC markets, the BD resolution allows us to watch PAL-sourced videos without losing about 16% of the picture quality in the process (as is typical with PAL > NTSC conversions for SD formats), albeit with the frame rate still changed from 25fps to 29.97fps of course.

that's true. the blu ray of Dire Straits' Alchemy Live looks very good conisdering it's a SD shot concert. I'm no expert, but I suppose alot of work needs to be done, and that you cannot simply transfer it to a BD and it'll look alot better?

about the sound; yes indeed. a BD could contain a HD sountrack. imo, that's a good enough reason to put out a Wembley BD...

e-man wrote:

that's true. the blu ray of Dire Straits' Alchemy Live looks very good conisdering it's a SD shot concert. I'm no expert, but I suppose alot of work needs to be done, and that you cannot simply transfer it to a BD and it'll look alot better?

about the sound; yes indeed. a BD could contain a HD sountrack. imo, that's a good enough reason to put out a Wembley BD...

I haven't bought the Alchemy Live Blu Ray because I read several reviews saying it had no remastering or treatment, and was literally just the VHS dumped onto a blu ray disc, and had loads of colour bleeding etc....

Is there a revised edition oput now that addresses these issues, or were these reviews way off the mark?

Thanks

Chris

Blu-Ray or not, it's still the same album. Something which has been released umpteen times now, in different formats.

Give us something new instead.

cmsdrums wrote:

e-man wrote:

that's true. the blu ray of Dire Straits' Alchemy Live looks very good conisdering it's a SD shot concert. I'm no expert, but I suppose alot of work needs to be done, and that you cannot simply transfer it to a BD and it'll look alot better?

about the sound; yes indeed. a BD could contain a HD sountrack. imo, that's a good enough reason to put out a Wembley BD...

I haven't bought the Alchemy Live Blu Ray because I read several reviews saying it had no remastering or treatment, and was literally just the VHS dumped onto a blu ray disc, and had loads of colour bleeding etc....

Is there a revised edition oput now that addresses these issues, or were these reviews way off the mark?

Thanks

Chris

the blu ray edition (and the only blu ray edition as far as I know) is the only one I have seen, so I can't really compare to any previous releases

my thoughts are based on the fact that I knew the show was filmed in SD and thus I didn't expect much. And having said that, the Ac Dc "let the be rock" blu ray is also SD, but looks probably better than Alchemy live

Nitroboy wrote:

inu-liger wrote:In a way, it would be. Blu-ray Audio is easily far more accessible than either DVD-Audio or SACD were.
Also, the menus and navigation would surely <i>have</i> to be an improvement over the sluggish, badly designed DVD-A's version :-)

Regarding that, yes. But in terms of audio quality? I doubt it :)

It won't be the same audio as the DVD-A. Recall that Brian fiddled with the 5.1 mixes for the 30th Anniversary DVD-V DTS tracks, in some cases ruining them in my opinion (eg. opening of Prophet's Song). Also God Save the Queen was an upmix for the DVD-A, the multitrack masters were later found and used for the 30th Anniversary. Finally the DTS 5.1 on the anniversary were all ruined by being subjected to loudness wars, which is pointless as they were never likely to be broadcast on the radio or played on an iPod.

Anyway, it's anyone's guess what the audio will be in terms of mix. Depends how Brian feels.

In terms of audio quality, the DVD-A is 24/96 lossless so I don't see how Blu Ray can improve on that. Far more important is whether it is ruined due to loudness wars like the DTS.

mooghead wrote:

The difference in audio quality between blu ray and dvd audio will only be apparent on very high end equipment

I doubt it. I'm not even sure which you are claiming is better. When you're up around 24/96 lossles or higher, the quality of the source material and how it is mixed and mastered is totally dominant for the audio quality.

queen made more than 1@lbum you know.so why do we keep going on about the overated anato?would be nice to have innuendo as a bluray watever is they do.god thiers plenty more albums they can do instead of same ol crap.thiers enough versions of anato going around.

saj ditta wrote:

queen made more than 1@lbum you know.so why do we keep going on about the overated anato?

Because the people in charge of their releases seem to be concerned with repeatedly plugging very select releases as part of an ongoing long term campaign to instill certain personas and images of Freddie in the mass public mindset

OwenSmith wrote:

mooghead wrote:

The difference in audio quality between blu ray and dvd audio will only be apparent on very high end equipment

I doubt it. I'm not even sure which you are claiming is better. When you're up around 24/96 lossles or higher, the quality of the source material and how it is mixed and mastered is totally dominant for the audio quality.

I am not claiming either is better, I am willing to bet my left nut that 99.9% of people who frequent this board do not have the necessary equipment to claim which is better either. Those who would buy the very high quality formats would no doubt rip them straight to a portable device thus undermining the quality anyway.

Its a product for products sake and there have been too many.

mooghead wrote:

I am not claiming either is better, I am willing to bet my left nut that 99.9% of people who frequent this board do not have the necessary equipment to claim which is better either. Those who would buy the very high quality formats would no doubt rip them straight to a portable device thus undermining the quality anyway.

Its a product for products sake and there have been too many.

I have the equipment to hear a difference (in 5.1 or otherwise) between blu ray and DVD Audio. But with a nearly 40 year old set of master tapes for Night At The Opera there is only so much resolution on the analogue masters, which I suspect 24/96 lossless exceeds. So regardless of format capabilities beyond that, I believe there wouldn't be a difference to hear.

Whether it is a sensible product to put out is a different matter. I'm a surround sound fan and it is a shame DVD Audio failed as a mainstream format. Putting it out again on Blu Ray would allow people with mainstream blu ray players to hear it in lossless surround sound. On the other hand I suspect the people bothered about sound quality already have a DVD-A capable blu ray player, and the rest would be perfectly happy listening to a wrecked sound in Dolby Digital on DVD. Or more likely they'll moan about how hard it is to rip the stereo track to MP3.

I'd really like to hear Queen II in surround sound. Musically this album was one of Queen's high points and I think it would suit surround.

The other DVD A was The Game which I also have. An odd choice for surround music given the album was deliberately recorded with a stripped down sound. I suspect it was purely because The Game was their big hit in the USA.

When the DVD A project was still ongoing, Brian said the next album would be Day At The Races. I guess that's a good second choice if I can't have Queen II.

But really, we all know any new surround release would be only Night At The Opera. There is little prospect of a sustained set of multiple surround album releases.

I don't care about 5.1 releases. I just want a 40th Anniversary debut-album box and more boxes when other albums reach that mark.

- The original album on 2x12" 45-RPM disc
- The 2011 remaster of the album
- A CD containing the first three BBC sessions (February, June and December 1973)
- A CD containing the full Golders Green gig
- A CD containing outtakes, alternate versions etc.
- A replica of the De Lane Lea acetate
- A replica of one of the KYA 7" singles
- Some other memorabilia thrown in (tickets, replica poster, ...)
- A book containing extensive interviews with all involved (Brian, Roger, producers, friends, ...)

Shame it won't happen.

Pim Derks wrote:

I don't care about 5.1 releases. I just want a 40th Anniversary debut-album box and more boxes when other albums reach that mark.

- The original album on 2x12" 45-RPM disc
- The 2011 remaster of the album
- A CD containing the first three BBC sessions (February, June and December 1973)
- A CD containing the full Golders Green gig
- A CD containing outtakes, alternate versions etc.
- A replica of the De Lane Lea acetate
- A replica of one of the KYA 7" singles
- Some other memorabilia thrown in (tickets, replica poster, ...)
- A book containing extensive interviews with all involved (Brian, Roger, producers, friends, ...)

Shame it won't happen.

That's the point that this does not happen, and we can only dream about it

"Don't be afraid, it's only a dream"
(Man From Manhattan)

Pim Derks wrote:

I don't care about 5.1 releases. I just want a 40th Anniversary debut-album box and more boxes when other albums reach that mark.

- The original album on 2x12" 45-RPM disc
- The 2011 remaster of the album
- A CD containing the first three BBC sessions (February, June and December 1973)
- A CD containing the full Golders Green gig
- A CD containing outtakes, alternate versions etc.
- A replica of the De Lane Lea acetate
- A replica of one of the KYA 7" singles
- Some other memorabilia thrown in (tickets, replica poster, ...)
- A book containing extensive interviews with all involved (Brian, Roger, producers, friends, ...)

Shame it won't happen.

The original album on 2x12" 45-RPM disc Do you think this exist?

The 2011 remaster of the album this already was released. Didn`t you know?

A CD containing the first three BBC sessions (February, June and December 1973) Don`t you have Queen Live at BBC which was released officially?