The truth Queen/"Fanthology"/etc don't want you to know about Queen II

[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]

Great thread (when on topic) by the way - I hope the original poster sticks around and isn't put off by the nonsense between sensible replies.[/QUOTE]

The authoritarian, self-serving and obfuscating nature of some influential collectors is completely on topic. Certainly 'what exists' is related to 'how likely am I to hear it before I die'? Not very likely if the bullying, crushing monopolists aren't held to account by people who are paying sufficient attention to see through it all, and particularly to see through the convenient boogieman of David Fuller, who has become whoever they need him to be in any moment. Thief of everything or virtually nothing as it serves them. How can people not see through this?

People need to be reminded that the Fanthology blow up over last year was over ONE song - an alternate version of Roger Taylor's 'Is it Me', which Fuller denied having only from the Fanthology archives. With the exception of the other track that caused his initial expulsion (before he was invited back) that is all it was about last year. Now it's about whatever they want it to be, as is convenient. It's truly a bit unbelievable to me that so many people buy into this so thoroughly. I'd love to see the same apathy if it was competition for your cell phone provider. I'd love to see the same mindless shouty cheering for some other power trying to crush the marketplace for it's own benefit.

Fuller is not alone. There ARE people who simply have a 'sharing' mindset rather than a 'hoarding' mindset and they should be allowed to compete without being bullied and badgered at every turn by extreme self interest. See here for a recent example:

http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1346381/roger-taylor-the-reaction-and-jd-the-opposition.aspx?page=1

I agree that these conversations are rarely productive and I apologize for any distraction I contributed to that made the thread unpleasant or discouraging reading for anybody. I'll try to be done now. But these things almost always crop up because of the words or actions of collectors. It can be avoided if some would stop the casual savaging of David Fuller well beyond what the supportable facts can prove about any one of these previously circulated tracks, and if they stop with the insult of telling people this is all to their benefit. It's not to my benefit, it's to their benefit. Leave these things off the boards and people won't feel the need for a more just rendering of reality. Don't, and this will likely erupt again.

[QUOTE] [b]Lord Gaga wrote:[/b]

Inu's not a member of Fanthology.[/QUOTE]

He doesn't have to be. What is it with people and the horrible reasoning?

[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Lord Gaga wrote:[/b]

Inu's not a member of Fanthology.[/QUOTE]

He doesn't have to be. What is it with people and the horrible reasoning?

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Holly's argument was that a member of the Fanthology ratted Fuller out and provided a quote from Inu apparently giving himself away as a member of the Fanthology.

Inu is not a member of the Fanthology.

What is it with people and their inability to read?

[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]

Great thread (when on topic) by the way - I hope the original poster sticks around and isn't put off by the nonsense between sensible replies.[/QUOTE]

The authoritarian, self-serving and obfuscating nature of some influential collectors is completely on topic. Certainly 'what exists' is related to 'how likely am I to hear it before I die'? Not very likely if the bullying, crushing monopolists aren't held to account by people who are paying sufficient attention to see through it all, and particularly to see through the convenient boogieman of David Fuller, who has become whoever they need him to be in any moment. Thief of everything or virtually nothing as it serves them. How can people not see through this?

People need to be reminded that the Fanthology blow up over last year was over ONE song - an alternate version of Roger Taylor's 'Is it Me', which Fuller denied having only from the Fanthology archives. With the exception of the other track that caused his initial expulsion (before he was invited back) that is all it was about last year. Now it's about whatever they want it to be, as is convenient. It's truly a bit unbelievable to me that so many people buy into this so thoroughly. I'd love to see the same apathy if it was competition for your cell phone provider. I'd love to see the same mindless shouty cheering for some other power trying to crush the marketplace for it's own benefit.

Fuller is not alone. There ARE people who simply have a 'sharing' mindset rather than a 'hoarding' mindset and they should be allowed to compete without being bullied and badgered at every turn by extreme self interest. See here for a recent example:

http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1346381/roger-taylor-the-reaction-and-jd-the-opposition.aspx?page=1

I agree that these conversations are rarely productive and I apologize for any distraction I contributed to that made the thread unpleasant or discouraging reading for anybody. I'll try to be done now. But these things almost always crop up because of the words or actions of collectors. It can be avoided if some would stop the casual savaging of David Fuller well beyond what the supportable facts can prove about any one of these previously circulated tracks, and if they stop with the insult of telling people this is all to their benefit. It's not to my benefit, it's to their benefit. Leave these things off the boards and people won't feel the need for a more just rendering of reality. Don't, and this will likely erupt again. [/QUOTE]

I'm utterly amazed at the amount of text you write when you clearly have no idea what went down behind the scenes.

Just give it a rest already and find something more productive to do with your time.

Thanks guys for the replies on 'Let Me In' - if it's from The Works I fear it'll have that dreadful drum sound that the rest of the album has!!

[QUOTE] [b]Lord Gaga wrote:[/b]

I'm utterly amazed at the amount of text you write when you clearly have no idea what went down behind the scenes.

Just give it a rest already and find something more productive to do with your time.[/QUOTE]

Unless Queenzone is the equivalent of Iran you don't get to play 'behind the scenes' BS. The entire scene was played out on a 20 page thread and people did backflips to prove an unprovable case based solely on their rage and shitty assumptions. At the end of all that most of them erased their posts. No objective or fair person would yak about 'behind the scenes' given the gravity of the accusations and the knowable facts. Get real. So with all due respect, f behind the scenes, f the frequent technique of belittling people who object to this crap, and f cyberbullying David Fuller out of self interest because that is EXACTLY what this is. YOU find something more productive to do with your time.

Were you there, with your rarities – which were being used for trades currently in progress but incidentally fell through at the same time – on the line and being used by someone who distributed them without asking first? Thought not.

Get back to me when you've done something productive with your time apart from making baseless, shitty assumptions.

Get back to the rest of us when you can make sense.

Are you sure you don't want to pad that out to about 17 paragraphs? Because you were actually concise there. Surely you didn't mean to do that.

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[b]Lord Gaga wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Lord Gaga wrote:[/b]

Inu's not a member of Fanthology.[/QUOTE]

He doesn't have to be. What is it with people and the horrible reasoning?

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Holly's argument was that a member of the Fanthology ratted Fuller out and provided a quote from Inu apparently giving himself away as a member of the Fanthology.

Inu is not a member of the Fanthology.

What is it with people and their inability to read?[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. Apologies for not knowing all the secrets of your secret group ;) Overall however my points stand.In usual fashion real wizard picked a little snippet from a post and ignored the rest. Here's my original comment:

"errr..You are the one doing the long speeches, not me. You are the one who keeps bringing up this issue on the forum, not me. Your group of traders are the ones who brought the Fuller issue on to the forum, not me, Your little group are the ones who ratted Fuller to QPL, and boasted about it here, not me. You are the one threatening to cut off the Sharing Forum, not me. In contrast, I suggested you do all your dirty laundry off the forum. If I wasn't for your endless whining about it here, your self-serving indignation and threats, I wouldn't be commenting about it at all because I could give a flying fuck what a bunch of whiny children do with their toys."

Simply put, I'm not the one who keeps bringing up all of this stuff on Queenzone.

I agree – I have no idea why this is being brought up on QZ. Fuller did what he did, he tried to profit from it (which messed up a lot of future trades for the time being), but there was no reason to bring it to QZ. He's been named, he's been shamed, so it should die now.

And the secrets are trying to remain secrets! That's why it's a secret group! Gahhh, I'll need to have a talk with our overlord, John D., about all of this.

[QUOTE] [b]Lord Gaga wrote:[/b]

Are you sure you don't want to pad that out to about 17 paragraphs? Because you were actually concise there. Surely you didn't mean to do that.[/QUOTE]

As we've seen in recent weeks it's easy to be brief when you're a bully or a bigot. Brevity can only assist the kind of condescension that depends on connecting with emotion and the worst of human nature. Appeals to reason and fairness however can take both words and time, and to me those principles are worth my efforts. I'm rarely talking to people like you when I type anyway, I'm talking to the people around us that are capable of unpopular perspectives, empathy and thought unburdened by self interested bullshit.

[QUOTE] [b]Lord Gaga wrote:[/b]

I agree – I have no idea why this is being brought up on QZ. Fuller did what he did, he tried to profit from it (which messed up a lot of future trades for the time being), but there was no reason to bring it to QZ. He's been named, he's been shamed, so it should die now.

And the secrets are trying to remain secrets! That's why it's a secret group! Gahhh, I'll need to have a talk with our overlord, John D., about all of this.[/QUOTE]

More like he's been exploited by fascists.

You are correct, of course; I do apologize for my terseness. I tend to resort to sarcasm when it comes to mudslinging, usually as a defense aid, but also because I have self-diagnosed ADD and can't spend more than 30 seconds reading something without my eyes going cross.

I do just wish we'd all get along, in the long run. I know it's impossible to see right now, but like your appeals to reason and fairness taking words and time, so too do trades that (ultimately) benefit the Queen fan community. Because here's a little secret: QPL will not release the anthologies until both Brian and Roger, err, "don't mind", if you catch my drift. Much as we like to batter Greggy Brooks and Gary Taylor about not releasing what we want, they are fans – diehards, too! – and they'd love more than anything to see this kind of stuff released. But QPL refuse.

Morality is a grey issue, of course, and something that's been discussed a million times over. It's like arguing about religion or politics; no one's going to change the other's minds. My appeal is simply for us to coexist and discuss Queen, instead of snipping at each other.

[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Lord Gaga wrote:[/b]

I agree – I have no idea why this is being brought up on QZ. Fuller did what he did, he tried to profit from it (which messed up a lot of future trades for the time being), but there was no reason to bring it to QZ. He's been named, he's been shamed, so it should die now.

And the secrets are trying to remain secrets! That's why it's a secret group! Gahhh, I'll need to have a talk with our overlord, John D., about all of this.[/QUOTE]

More like he's been exploited by fascists.

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Well, we were listening to the Jazz album a lot when the group was formed, which Dave Marsh called a fascist record.