The truth Queen/"Fanthology"/etc don't want you to know about Queen II

Yeah ... interesting. Except we can't trust anything said here because there's no way to verify what exists and what doesn't. The topic starter could be another Walter Mitty, or an existing member of the forum posting under a different name or it might be someone from QP or it could be genuine. But ... who cares? Does it really matter any more? If any tracks have leaked out, a small number of collectors will trade amongst themselves for years -- possibly decades --. before ordinary fans will maybe get to hear a snippet or two. And QP won't release these tracks because they're piling up cash selling endless compilation albums to joe sixpack and those same gullible Queen fans who will buy any new release. I've moved on. Other artists are getting my cash now. If Queen ever bother to release anything interesting I might buy it but, that said, to my surprise I haven't yet bought the new Barcelona CD or Budapest or the Fred doc. I wonder is my interest in Queen disappearing? There's only so many times you can get dumped on before you say "f**k it"

What is the truth about Hyde Park 76!

Holly2003 hit the nail on the head. Queen keeps re-re-releasing the same old shit over again. I know they've switched label but not giving the fans that stuck with them for decades any descent material. The last 2 items i bought were the Days of our lives blu-ray and the 40 years of Queen book which were brilliant by the way. I let the deluxe editions of all the albums passed me by and downloaded the rare tracks. I wished they do a Queen anthology boxset in the same style they with the FM boxset in 2000. That was a jewel. I also beginning to think for how long i will be alble to hold on to Queen. Lots of doubts.

I too think that Holly hit the nail on it's right place. In 1991 when Queen moved their catalague to Hollywood Records I for one had high hopes that the so-called vaults finally would open. But time had learned me that when it comes to EMI, Hollywood or now Universal Records, nothing really happens. I don't know who's "fault" it is. I remember the re-issues of Roger's albums, promises made that they had bonus tracks, non-album tracks and so on. We had plain albums released and again a great opportunity has gone by. We can endless debate on how other bands do release their stuff, I have passed on. I'm a Queen fan/collector since 1973, this year I became 50, I think I have to wait until I'm long 80 or perphaps long overdue and there it is, the long awaited Queen Boxset(s), and I'm overjoyed in tears, asking myself Queen? Queen, nah doesn't ring a bell........gimme Cliff Richard anytime....

As for the Fanthology, I really can't blame them that they have access to material i don't own or hear, in that matter if such fanthology really excists. But we all seem to have answers here, but can someone answer this question: why in the world were some re-releases by Universal in 2011 such a mess, why oh why hadn't Gary and Greg had more say in the second discs. Again a lost opportunity........

Tom

@TomP63 & @Dave76

isn't that what i said in 4 & 5 above?

Yes Brenski, maybe you're right, but I honestly don't think that material leaked by Fuller or whomever isn't in that way connected with the re-issues as done by Universal. Simply because I never ever found the material as "leaked" by Fuller wasn't that interessting and most of the time his leaked stuff was in a horrible quality. My point is, a long, really long time ago Simon Duckett wrote a stunning piece for Record Collector, his article was so indepth as it seem he was actually writing from the so-called vaults. The article was written during the period that Hollywood Records took their chance for re-releasing all Queen albums. Again it looked on paper very promising, but the truth is, people talk about the opportunities, whole articles are written, books are full with so-caled excisting proof of material. But never was there a time to release that written or spoken about material. But if we take a moment and look back, there were plenty of occassions to release something worthwile. The Made in Heaven singles had the remasterd version of Beeb tracks, all as forerunner for the new BBC album. The album was withdrawn, "they" did not want to flood the market, instead of the Beeb album we got the Queen Rocks(1) as peaceoffer.
I really do believe that the re-issues of Universal good have been done in such a better way.
And you made you're point: 5. the whole thing keeps queen being talked about - so when some uninteresting pile of recycled crap gets re-re-re-released the hoards lap it up like obedient little stepfords...which keeps QPL's bank accounts topped up nicely

Again I replied, and guess what, i'm repeating myself....

Tom

The remaining members of the band will be pushing up dasies before anything interesting gets released. The fact is that they consider anything left in the vaults to be sub par, if it wasn't good enough to go on the album back then it's not good enough to be released now. The brand will not be compromised by releasing "B" material.

The time will come when people like Rufus Taylor, one of Brian's kids and whoever Jim Beach hands it over to are in charge of the decisions. These are the people who might listen to GB or GT, the current regime have not and will not seriously consider their input.

The wait Will continue for a long time yet. In the meantime the fanthology will continue work at unearthing and maybe leaking material at a quicker pace than QP, as it has in the past. Im 36, I'll be damn near 50 by the time anything "new" comes out from QP, fact.

count yourself lucky - i'm already 50!
i gave up collecting new releases - 7" 12" cassingles cd singles, lps cds etc and old rarities
in 1990(ish)...in all that time, i usually acquired something considered "rare" every 3-6 months
in the 16 years i was collecting., these included larry lurex, eddie howell, ian hunter, KYA, SSOR, ANATO and NOTW on coloured vinyl, the complete works album box, hyde park and earls court VHS and others besides
in the 23 years since i've managed to get hardly any genuine rarities ahead of the general fans

Last thing I bought was a notw 12x12 mirror about 3 years ago, I no longer bother to collect memorabilia and will probably sell rather than add to my collection. Last release I bought was the remasters. I feel guilty about downloading dool documentary, which was very good, but at this stage fuck 'em. Paid for Budapest, just about....

Won't be spending anything on Queen for the longtime foreseeable, unless they bang out a decent DVD. We probably will never get another BD, they don't have any video on suitable stock.

What an interesting topic, thanks Rogers Untidy Bottom.

Is there more information about John Deacon's first composition "Fly By The Night"?

People will believe anything, specially if it's clouded in mystery and conspiracy theories like the original post. Additional points for making it about Queen II, an era not as well documented as others, and for writing a lot, which also helps get credibility around here for some reason.

Someone will refer back to this topic in ten years time as the source of "proof" for the existance of these rare tracks. Embarrasing.

Let's talk about John Deacon's solo album "Man in the Shadows" instead. At least that one is funny. Or its follow up, "Alligators in my closet"... or something like that :)

[QUOTE] [b]waunakonor wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]AlexRocks wrote:[/b]
I still don't know what "Fanthology" is. Why do people start talking about something that obviously the general public have no idea what you are talking about?[/QUOTE]
A group of collectors of various Queen material who trade rare stuff with each other and try to make sure none of the stuff they share with each other gets released outside their circle, lest the underling Queen fans who aren't a part of the special circle get their hands on it. David R. Fuller was a part of the group, but then started posting some of it on his YouTube channel so that the puny mortals could all hear it, which made the Fanthology very very mad. That's how I understand it, anyway.[/QUOTE]

Your understanding is incredibly flawed. Toss the lies and preconceptions and read carefully:

The fanthology is a group of Queen collectors who have, individually and collectively, been responsible for the emergence of the overwhelming majority of unreleased Queen material over the past couple decades for everyone to hear.

Full stop. Breathe. Keep reading:

Incredible amounts of time and money have been invested to acquire said material, and people like you merely need to point and click to download. With all that spare time you could be working on your reading comprehension instead of spewing crap about a topic you know absolutely nothing about. So stop. You add nothing to the discussion.

Do you understand any better now or do you need me to draw a picture?

The topic starter here is a very welcome addition to the discussion.

[QUOTE] [b]Wiley wrote:[/b]

People will believe anything, specially if it's clouded in mystery and conspiracy theories like the original post. Additional points for making it about Queen II, an era not as well documented as others, and for writing a lot, which also helps get credibility around here for some reason.

Someone will refer back to this topic in ten years time as the source of "proof" for the existance of these rare tracks. Embarrasing.[/QUOTE]

well, i for one would rather be "taken in" by this new thread than suffer all the sh*t of countless album polls, and inane discussion going on round here of late. at least this is something meritorious of discussion.
also, as i said in first response, if only HALF of what the topic starter claims actually exists, then there's still dozens upon dozens of interesting things still to be heard.
It's better to approach these topics with an open rather than closed mind.

you only have to look back at the number of new rarities that escaped into the wild...these were down to fantology and ex-fantologists.