The truth Queen/"Fanthology"/etc don't want you to know about Queen II
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fr1986 · Member since
Nice info, as i asked previously regarding footage,
do you have any info of how much material "releseable" exists from hyde park 76 and Knebworth 86'???
I'd love for this all to be true, but I somehow doubt it is. Here's a previous post I made on the subject that contains a link to the original thread from TLToF where these QII demos were first mentioned.
A lot of the stuff I posted was tongue-in-cheek - I seem to remember a post where Brian wanted to recall the Wembley DVD because he thought it was sh1t.
I think I posted something about Brian having an opera album and Brian managing to clone Freddie.
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Of course you started posting a lot of tongue-in-cheek stuff, I think I said as such on the thread I linked. But doing so only served to lower your credibility. You supposedly started off serious and then became a Wind-Up Merchant, which obviously will lead people to assume you were being a WUM all along. As of yet, there's no proof that you are not still WUMing it up.
Rogers Untidy Bottom · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Bohardy wrote:[/b]
Of course you started posting a lot of tongue-in-cheek stuff, I think I said as such on the thread I linked. But doing so only served to lower your credibility. You supposedly started off serious and then became a Wind-Up Merchant, which obviously will lead people to assume you were being a WUM all along. As of yet, there's no proof that you are not still WUMing it up.[/QUOTE]
It's tough to prove a negative. I sincerely hope that what I say during this and other threads puts you at ease.
Regarding other questions, please let me make some things absolutely clear -
1) I was a fan but not in the "Fanthology" sense. My memory is imperfect, I didn't steal from the band or its other hanger-ons, I wasn't given any presents that I kept - the few things i was given have got lost in the midst of time as I didn't appreciate their future value when I was given them. I am probably more knowledgable than the Fanthologists but have nothing to show for it or upload to surprise you.
2) My main knowledge relates to recordings, outtakes and so on during certain periods. For 36 years, my life revolved around bands, record labels, etc - not exclusively Queen. I now work in a completely different, almost mundane field. My life is about my wife and kids. What I know is not encyclopedic but has both depth and width. Some of the song titles may not be remembered correctly but they'll be in the right ballpark. So requests about certain albums, whether something was videotaped or not and so on - I'm not the right guy to ask.
The Queen "inner circle" is a fickle thing. One minute you're in favour, one minute you're not. I have been out of favour for just over 10 years now. It crushed me when I was no longer "needed". Let's face it - they have form when it comes to this. Dave Richards anyone?
Paul Prenter was a cock, Peter Freestone was brilliant, Jim Hutton was sweet but a drama queen, Greg Brooks wonderfully anal but a nice bloke, Jacky I would have married and I couldn't really ever get the Anita thing.
cmsdrums · Member since
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[b]brENsKi wrote: [/b]..... because they run the risk.......of being made to look incapable c*nts. [/QUOTE]
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You mean they haven't done this already?!!
Queen fan · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Rogers Untidy Bottom wrote:[/b]
Well, well, well. How times change. How what was ridiculed a few years ago is now accepted as the truth.
Back in Summer 2004, I joined the Queenzone for about a couple of weeks. How things were different back then. I was based in London back then - at the hub of the "action".
I was still part of the "crew". There was a genuine desire to release the boxsets in 2006. I had access, as a friend, to a large number of acetates, unreleased songs, albums with different sounds, and so on.
I posted on Queenzone about the original versions of "Queen II" and the "The Game" and was widely ridiculed by the likes of John S Stuart and all.
Yes, I was the mysterious, slightly tongue-in-cheek "The Left Testicle of Freddie".
I'm now back in my hometown in England, cut out from the action. Following a major falling out with certain influential movers and shakers within the bubble, I am now persona non grata.
Just for the records - I was ridiculed for saying the "Seven Seas of Rhye" lasted originally around 4 minutes but was then cut back.
Lo and behold - one of the two 4 minute versions finally appears on Ebay - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/QUEEN-ACETATE-Seven-Seas-Of-Rhye-alternate-version-MEGA-RARE-/390580025005?nma=true&si=U6hcg3GVOYTXteO%252FWJgZ2gxYBpo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557.
For the records, the version of the song was not the "wrong backing track" - it was but it wasn't, it's hard to explain. I have been out of the loop for so long now that I don't know if a certain person still has the other 4-minute version (I heard it on a studio tape - don't know if an acetate version of it was made).
Queen II did originally have 13 songs. Their existence has now been confirmed in books despite the ridicule the suggestions attracted at the time.
I was told that "Deep Ridge" (originally meant to segue between White Queen and SDOD and was very Led Zep) was left off because the continuity of the sound wasn't quite right (in their minds). I thought it sounded great and lyrically, it sort of tied the album sides together making the concept stronger. It's hard to explain - sorry but been a few years since I heard the song now.
"Surrender To The City" lasted about 3 minutes from memory and was quite poppy. For some reason, unknown to me, only the first bit of it (heavily reworked though) was included on the album segueing directly into FHLI. That section became part of TMOFTBQ. When you think it about, despite that song's many different mood changes, have you never thought that the last 30 seconds didn't quite make sense in the soundscape of that song?
The reason for the non-appearance of the box sets is two-fold and I find the reasons unfortunate, especially for the fans who have stuck by the band up to 40 years.
a) Lack of will by band members - the argument about incomplete archives is partly true but they're nowhere near as incomplete as suggested. They're now all old men and don't particularly fancy the graft in putting them together. I sort of get that but it's a pisser for all of us.
b) The "Fanthology" members simply enjoy the competition between each other. I am not slagging them off - the amount of unreleased stuff they have given away free we should all be grateful for. They are fans first and foremost and all the rarities will surface over the next 20-30 years as they enjoy the gratitude of the general fans. Their argument about needing valuable stuff to trade is true.
Neither party has any interest in admitting that the outtakes, unreleased songs, etc is quite as vast as it is. You would generally be surprised.
I love this place and I love Queen. Do with this information as you will. I'll try to answer as many questions as possible but please bear in mind I am out of the circle now so some of it will be from memory.
(PS. The "left testicle" incident involved a microphone.
PPS. I know I didn't help my credibility with some of the posts I made the first time around but I like a bit of a laugh and most people seemed to enjoy the tongue-in-cheek bits I did).[/QUOTE]
The names of the songs you mentioned, their titles make so much sense to me in the context of my particular lunacy as many call it.
And if all goes well i suspect those two songs shall be released after i feel it is time to continue with my particular work, which shall make so much a stir, if anybody actually takes the time to look that is.
Please tell us here, more about the game each track etc
dowens · Member since
I'm assuming the silence from someone inside of QPL means that there could be validity to this thread?
"The Game" album info is the most intriguing info I've read on this board in probably 4-5 years. Wow.
Who in the world is this guy? Sounds like he was extremely close to the band. Of course, I have no clue!
dowens · Member since
And I'll add one more thing.
I don't think this stuff sees the light of day because of BM's perfectionist being. Plus maybe the FM box set didn't do so well? It seems that the image of Queen is all Freddie, so if his box set didn't fare well, maybe QPL is scared to pull the trigger on a Queen box set? I don't agree with this but...
Heck, whatever happened to the MJ/FM tracks they reworked a couple of years ago?!
Just my 2 cents, which will buy you a bunch of nothing. :)
Queen fan · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Rogers Untidy Bottom wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Your understanding is incredibly flawed. Toss the lies and preconceptions and read carefully:
The fanthology is a group of Queen collectors who have, individually and collectively, been responsible for the emergence of the overwhelming majority of unreleased Queen material over the past couple decades for everyone to hear.
Full stop. Breathe. Keep reading:
Incredible amounts of time and money have been invested to acquire said material, and people like you merely need to point and click to download. With all that spare time you could be working on your reading comprehension instead of spewing crap about a topic you know absolutely nothing about. So stop. You add nothing to the discussion.
Do you understand any better now or do you need me to draw a picture?
The topic starter here is a very welcome addition to the discussion.[/QUOTE]
Among all the contributions to this thread, this is the best out of a quality bunch of replies.
"Fanthology" are not the enemy - it's QPL.
"Fanthology" members are torn though and it's completely understandable why.
On the one hand, they're Queen fans - massive Queen fans. So much so, they've spent £10,000s acquiring the rarest material. They need to preserve the scarcity of the recordings in order to trade to get more rarities.
On the other hand, they'd love to share it with all of us. They'd love QPL to release them. But the value of their investments will plummet, just like the FM rarities did after the publication of the box set.
They are caught between a rock and a hard place, albeit with some fascinating, rare music to accompany them.
Neither side wants to admit how vast the output of recordings, different versions, unused songs, etc are, even during the early albums. It doesn't suit them (as they don't want QPL to know they have it) and it sure doesn't suite QPL (who don't want to release anything any way).
Two 4m versions of SSOR exist. "Deep Ridge" exists. "Surrender To The City" exists.
The Game was originally going to be a double album but, somehow, was released as one of their shortest single albums. Some of the left-off songs are great, some a bit iffy. With the quality of songs available, how on earth did "Coming Soon" and "Need Your Loving Tonight" make it on the album???
Take the red pill and go back to your 2011 remasters. Take the blue pill and see how deep the rabbit hole really goes.[/QUOTE]
A conspiracy so vast concealing a treasure so rare and earth shattering,they could make a Hollywood movie about it!
Queen fan · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Rogers Untidy Bottom wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]FriedChicken wrote:[/b]
We are keeping the original version of Let Me Live with Freddie on all verses, the 8 minute Bohemian Rhapsody, Deep Ridge, Surrender to the City and the long version of Seven Seas of Rhye in our archives. We will release them when The New Order is ready. [/QUOTE]
Just for clarity, there is no 8 minute version of Bohemian Rhapsody that the band members made me aware of during my time as part of what we were all part of.
SSOR long version has already been proven to exist via the acetate auction on eBay.
[QUOTE] [b]FriedChicken wrote:[/b]
Strange how the Fanthology has been seen as some kind of Illuminati, while it's 'just' a group of Queen experts. [/QUOTE]
Some of the people in the inner circle thought Fanthology was behind 9/11.[/QUOTE]
Why?
inu-liger · Member since
Queen fan, I'm pretty sure that "9/11" comment was made in sarcastic jest in response to FC's sarcasm :)
John S Stuart · Member since
[QUOTE]
[b]Queen fan wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Rogers Untidy Bottom wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]FriedChicken wrote:[/b] We are keeping the original version of Let Me Live with Freddie on all verses, the 8 minute Bohemian Rhapsody, Deep Ridge, Surrender to the City and the long version of Seven Seas of Rhye in our archives. We will release them when The New Order is ready. [/QUOTE]
Just for clarity, there is no 8 minute version of Bohemian Rhapsody that the band members made me aware of during my time as part of what we were all part of.
SSOR long version has already been proven to exist via the acetate auction on eBay.
[QUOTE] [b]FriedChicken wrote:[/b] Strange how the Fanthology has been seen as some kind of Illuminati, while it's 'just' a group of Queen experts. [/QUOTE]
Some of the people in the inner circle thought Fanthology was behind 9/11.[/QUOTE]
Why?
Because Queen's 9th UK LP was "The Game" and if we include "A Human Body"; (some CD versions) are 11 tracks long!
Apart from the Human Body reference; It also featured references to Suicide Bombers (Don't try it), Another One Bites The Dust, and Save Me. For those who heeded the anti-flight warnings they were clearly informed to "Sail Away..." but only loved one's (as in our sisters). Rock It was the code name of the project (ie Rocket!).
Besides if you play it backwards... at half speed...
It's all there if you look for it.[/QUOTE]
Queen fan · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b]
Queen fan, I'm pretty sure that "9/11" comment was made in sarcastic jest in response to FC's sarcasm :)[/QUOTE]
The whole spirit of the thread is to give a chance tothe veracitiy of the posters claim, without dismissing it out of hand. anything is possible.
You never know, you might get ananswer that makes some sense.
Queen fan · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]
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[b]Queen fan wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Rogers Untidy Bottom wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]FriedChicken wrote:[/b]
We are keeping the original version of Let Me Live with Freddie on all verses, the 8 minute Bohemian Rhapsody, Deep Ridge, Surrender to the City and the long version of Seven Seas of Rhye in our archives. We will release them when The New Order is ready. [/QUOTE]
Just for clarity, there is no 8 minute version of Bohemian Rhapsody that the band members made me aware of during my time as part of what we were all part of.
SSOR long version has already been proven to exist via the acetate auction on eBay.
[QUOTE] [b]FriedChicken wrote:[/b]
Strange how the Fanthology has been seen as some kind of Illuminati, while it's 'just' a group of Queen experts. [/QUOTE]
Some of the people in the inner circle thought Fanthology was behind 9/11.[/QUOTE]
Why?
Because Queen's 9th UK LP was "The Game" and if we include "A Human Body"; (some CD versions) are 11 tracks long!
Apart from the Human Body reference; It also featured references to Suicide Bombers (Don't try it), Another One Bites The Dust, and Save Me. For those who heeded the anti-flight warnings they were clearly informed to "Sail Away..." but only loved one's (as in our sisters). Rock It was the code name of the project (ie Rocket!).
Besides if you play it backwards... at half speed...
It's all there if you look for it.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
I see, yes all of it fits
It does Makes sense.
but do we have anything less esoteric to verify their connection to the job? What about Motive?
was it for Freddie perhaps , a revenge?
I did hear that some kind of sound waves device tech may have been used in turning the towers to dust like that, did they use a secret song?
it is not beyondd the realms of possibilty Freddie had a very good voice to say the least
experiment IV tells it all could have been so
www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6hvNe11r9U
AlexRocks · Member since
Oh paaalease! "Coming Soon" and "Need Your Love Tonight" are phenomenal songs. And "Innuendo" is one of their best studio l.p.s. Get real. You have serious credibility dismissing such master pieces.
Also what do you mean by it was a "mad time"?
Queen fan · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]AlexRocks wrote:[/b]
Oh paaalease! "Coming Soon" and "Need Your Love Tonight" are phenomenal songs. And "Innuendo" is one of their best studio l.p.s. Get real. You have serious credibility dismissing such master pieces.
Also what do you mean by it was a "mad time"? [/QUOTE]