The truth Queen/"Fanthology"/etc don't want you to know about Queen II

Cmon now, lets have an entire list
done in order, readable and full of ALL the songs you remember All from each album
and was there plans for other albums in between etc
and mention something about lyrics please
but al the songs with names and what they were like etc

Please!

Just a question, you don't have to answer of course, but, you remember if Queen recorded Hangman in studio?

Here's the song live from a bootleg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_eoSzlhtuw

[QUOTE] [b]Queen fan wrote:[/b]

Cmon now, lets have an entire list
done in order, readable and full of ALL the songs you remember All from each album
and was there plans for other albums in between etc
and mention something about lyrics please
but al the songs with names and what they were like etc

Please![/QUOTE]

Now you're just being rude and demanding

[QUOTE] [b]dudeofqueen wrote:[/b]
I'm surprised that the venerable GT and the even more esteemed Greggy Boy Brooks haven't chipped in to this by now.[/QUOTE]

Unless they are simply too busy to participate at the moment (Gary's attending a WWRY anniversary event as far as I know), they probably can't say much otherwise due to non-disclosure agreements.

[QUOTE] [b]dowens wrote:[/b]
Heck, whatever happened to the MJ/FM tracks they reworked a couple of years ago?![/QUOTE]

From what I can gather, it seems to be caught up in ongoing wrangling between MJ's estate and QPL/Universal, since they want them to be put to good use on some sort of release that won't end up being a very wasteful situation. In other words, waiting for the right product and the right time.

Interesting stuff!

Everything i´m about to write i´m assuming that you´re being honest here. The best topic in years. Thank you!

-The claims about "Surrender to the city" makes perfect sense to me. I remember that when somebody made a copy to a cassete to me around 1992, for several years i thought that that "surrender to the city" part was the begining of "Funny how love is" rather than the ending of "MOTBQ". Only when i got the cd i found out that it was part od MOTBQ, wich doesn´t make "musical" sense to me.

- I remember reading an interview of Freddie around 1975, and i believe that he stated that they had lot´s of mateial that didn´t get to Sheer Heart Attack. but i think that we all know that the early years were very productive.

- What i didn´t know was that they were also very productive during the "Game"- It is by far the worst Queen album in my opinion, closelly followed by the "Works". So to know that they have more songs that didn´t make it makes me wonder about the quallity of such songs considering the ones that did make it to the album.

But our tastes are very different, because Innuendo is in my opinion a masterpiece, so i really don´t know what to think when you say the ones that were left out are better :)

I'm still sceptic ... whatever Mr Bottom (aka Mr Testicle) is saying could easily be true, and it could just as easily be false IMO.

I've always though that the reason that Coming Soon and Need Your Loving Tonight made the final cut of The Game was to level up the songwriting credits/Royalties for John and Roger; they were possibly the best of their 'second track' offerings.

Having said that, I love Need Your Loving Tonight, and I'm sure John made more from that album than the rest of them following the success of ...Dust as a single?!?

Considering Brian wrote the B-Side, he must have made as much money out of the single as John did.

if you're talking purely in record sales royalties then yes.

but if you're talking in terms of airplay residuals - radio, tv ads, sporting arenas etc etc etc
then NO, john made way more out of that single than Brian...and still does so

If they did make all these extra tracks for the Game, is there a reason why the only original B-side from that era is 'A Human Body'...or was it rarer to release original material as B Sides back then?

[QUOTE] [b]Supersonic_Man89 wrote:[/b]

If they did make all these extra tracks for the Game, is there a reason why the only original B-side from that era is 'A Human Body'...or was it rarer to release original material as B Sides back then?[/QUOTE]

Not really. For instance, Bruce Springsteen had a kind of policy of pretty much *only* releasing original material as B-sides.

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[b]Supersonic_Man89 wrote: [/b] If they did make all these extra tracks for the Game, is there a reason why the only original B-side from that era is 'A Human Body'...or was it rarer to release original material as B Sides back then?[/QUOTE]

It was rare for Queen to do it but not other bands. To that point I believe the only non-album song they released as the b-side of a single was See What A Fool I've Been. Of course, after A Human Body we got Soul Brother and I Go Crazy in (relatively) short succession. Informative article about it here: [url=http://www.queenonline.com/en/features/b-sides-fan-feature-adam-unger/]http://www.queenonline.com/en/features/b-sides-fan-feature-adam-unger/[/url]

[QUOTE] [b]Queen fan wrote:[/b]

Cmon now, lets have an entire list
done in order, readable and full of ALL the songs you remember All from each album
and was there plans for other albums in between etc
and mention something about lyrics please
but al the songs with names and what they were like etc

Please![/QUOTE]

We're talking years and years of memories, Queen fan.

I'm happy to answer any questions you've got but please phrase them as individual (sets of) questions rather than "tell us everything!"

I ain't a writer but I am happy for others to use the accurate information I have provided in reference works. Like they did last time, doubters.

[QUOTE] [b]waunakonor wrote:[/b]
Well, my original post was made half in jest, but it seems that all your silly ad hominems and aggressive language are completely serious, so let's stop for a moment and realize that we're both fellow Queen fans and both passionate about the band.[/QUOTE]

Indeed, having something in common is always a good starting point.

Call it an ad hominem exercise if you want, but I still speak the truth. If you want to learn about how unreleased music makes its way to your computer, I suggest you enter the discussion without preconceptions and listen open-mindedly to those who have been actively involved in the process for decades, not people who don't have the first clue about it. They're like creationists getting in the way of a debate on evolution. Listen to people who have done the research and have first hand experience, not people who are fueled by ignorant convictions that have no basis in reality or practice.

[QUOTE]Now, what I'm not understanding here is what exactly this Fanthology is giving me.[/QUOTE]
These people have given you countless amounts of unreleased music over the last couple decades. Just because it doesn't say "fanthology release" doesn't mean it didn't come from any one or number of those people. Collectors group up all the time to gather and release music. This is nothing unusual. What makes the Queen situation seem unusual is that one of these people decided to blow everyone's cover and be a complete douchebag about it, which has spawned incredible amounts of ignorance about where unreleased music comes from.

The person who puts a recording online is not necessarily the beginning of the chain. If they aren't and their intentions are pure, 99% of the time they will credit their sources (occasionally they may innocently slip up and forget). If not, that's usually the first warning sign that someone is doing something they likely shouldn't be - especially if they're someone who has 16 posts and refuses to communicate rationally (see today's share of the Reaction and Opposition acetates - pure vitriol).

The anonymity of the people doing the actual work gives the robinhood types the advantage of taking full credit, and it's easy for people like yourself to innocently accept that the robinhood is fully responsible for the music's emergence. They aren't. There are forces behind the scenes that aren't usually seen on the surface. It'd be like thanking a TV network for the shows you enjoy and nobody else.

[QUOTE]The argument seems to be that withholding things from me means that the people doing the withholding can trade for more stuff to withhold. I don't get how this is anything but incredibly selfish.[/QUOTE]
Many people think that, but it's very short-sighted. The "let's share everything now" mentality is a utopia we'd all like to experience. While it'd be great now, it'd have long term repercussions. If every single rarity was released right now, and later on other trading opportunities came up, what would one offer in exchange? You'd then be at square one, having undone years or possibly decades of work. So there's a very good reason why these processes exist. They play out in a organic way as they're meant to. In the end - everyone benefits. And if someone breaks it - everyone loses.

Please stop making assumptions about things you don't know. If you genuinely want to know how these things work, just ask. Hopefully this thread provides some answers. But don't vilify the very people who are responsible for the emergence of the unreleased music you enjoy. That accomplishes nothing.

These things are covert because it's the only way it can be done. If you or anyone would like it to be otherwise, then I invite you to start building up your contacts and do it another way. Until then, enjoy what comes when it comes.

Now - back to our regular scheduled program, the details about Queen albums that are new to most people here. Without a doubt, 1980-81 was a very fruitful time for the band and the existence of dozens of unreleased tracks wouldn't surprise me in the least.