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[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]

First, my argument has never been about what Fuller did or didn't do. I don't know.[/QUOTE]

This should have been the end of your post since you admittedly know nothing about the topic of discussion.

Imagine how different the last couple months of threads on this forum would look had you taken this line of action instead.

So consider it a lesson learned. If you don't know what you're talking about, shut up, and the forum won't have to look like a continuous mudslinging match.

Can we all move on now?

LOL Mr Queen Fan - I'm not going to get into the debate of animal buggery, that's not what I'm here for haha, but I do see your points, and I'm glad that they can be made in a civilised manner.

Also, you are right on two things: JSS should NOT be leaving. This is a public forum and he's as entitled to his tuppence-worth as the next user. AND, no-one, apart from the moderators (a lot of folk think this place is NOT moderated, but that's only true to a certain extent as Richard (Orchard) and YourValentine have the power to delete posts and expel users), has the right to "lay down the law" as it were. Sure, we can have opinions on what is socially acceptable, but we have no real right to tell someone what they can and cannot say (again to an extent - I think we SHOULD be allowed to ask someone who is CLEARLY trolling to "disappear"). I'm not too sure Holly has been guilty of this, tbh - it's his view that someone has been trolling, and has asked them to cut-it. I think that's fair game, as long as it's put in a civil manner.

And yes, a lot of this is just pure trash and vitriol. It's unnecessary, and this is not the place it used to be. I'm NO SAINT myself - I have been guilty of the odd catty remark, too, but I'd just love to see the place back on track.

This CAN be a place for good discussion. We just need to revert to that instead of the petty squabbling we have all been guilty of in recent times.

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
If you don't know what you're talking about, shut up, and the forum won't have to look like a continuous mudslinging match.[/QUOTE]

There are three ways how this can continue:

1) You convince the dissidents to shut up, and continue the virtual lynching of David Fuller with the (other) traders.

2) We continue the mudslinging match of traders vs. people who question the actions of the traders

3) You take your personal issues with David Fuller outside QZ, and leave them there.


I'd recommend 3), but what do you think?

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[b]Mr.QueenFan wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Thistleboy1980 wrote:[/b]

@ Mr queen fan: No, I knew that you were well aware what you were saying. My point was simply to lord gaga, who defended you as some sort of faulty towers "manuel" character who had no idea what he was saying. I am well aware that you can be nice when you want - and nasty, too.[/QUOTE]

Point taken!
I admit sometimes i´m too intense, but if only you could read my uncensored mails, you´d be speechless :-)

I can tell that people here are a bit sensitive so i try to adjust my posts so that it doesn´t scare people off. And sometimes i feel that people are afraid to say what they REALLY want to say, so i try to lead by example.

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You are entitled to your opinions. But there was no need to bring animal fucking in - no-one here does that,
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If only you knew :-)
(Can you hear the silence in the room?)

There´s a reason why i raised this issue. It´s just to prove that when we want to attack just for the sake of attaking, we bring out issues that don´t add anything positve to the discussion, BUT they are not lies, because they can´t be proved wrong. Animal fucking exists (once again, it is what it is), so no one can refute that humans are spreading deseases to animals either. Is this a stupid argument? Maybe, but it´s a valid one.

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if you want to challenge someone in an intelligent manner ( as you're keen to demonstrate), do not resort to this sort of trash :)[/QUOTE]

I´m not an inteligent person, and i don´t want to challenge anyone here. That´s not what i´m here for. I´m here to have a good time. But GratefullFan attitude was to make me feel somehow inadequate to have an argument with her because i would be crashed. No way! As i said before, not in her best day, and i in my worst day. It is what it is!

About Holly2003, my remark was just to point out that at least he could put more effort into his writing instead of one line responses to some well thought mails like the ones i write.

I like to be stimulated, so i think that the least people can do, even to refute something they don´t agree with, is to write it in a well thought manner, instead of the one provocative line.

I´m shocked to read John S Stuart saying that he goes away from Queenzone, and people being OK with this.
And i´m shoked to see Holly2003 laying the new rules of Queenzone and people being OK with this too.

Who´s Holly2003 to say what we can and can´t talk about in this forum for him and others not to troll our threads? If he doesn´t like Trading, then go on and read other topic, instead of hijacking the ones he doesn´t agree with.

But you´re right in one thing Thistleboy1980, this is trash, and it´s a shame. I don´t know of any forum that can work in a healthy way without moderation, and in the case of Queenzone it ruined it.
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Did teacher give you your wowwypop yet?

[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
If you don't know what you're talking about, shut up, and the forum won't have to look like a continuous mudslinging match.[/QUOTE]

There are three ways how this can continue:

1) You convince the dissidents to shut up, and continue the virtual lynching of David Fuller with the (other) traders.

2) We continue the mudslinging match of traders vs. people who question the actions of the traders

3) You take your personal issues with David Fuller outside QZ, and leave them there.


I'd recommend 3), but what do you think?[/QUOTE]

In theory I'd obviously agree with 3, but it's not quite that simple.

If someone bashed you out of pure ignorance, would you just let them continue to speak for you?

This has to do with a lot more than just one person's self-serving actions. It's about setting the record straight and replacing ignorance with first-hand information.

That said - at the end of the day I don't give a flying fuck of what happens on this forum. I fully realize I can't change how people think (or, in some cases, teach them how to think to begin with). I'm just trying to be a voice of reason, and when I've been directly involved with something and the so-called dissenters haven't, I'd like to think my word should trump out theirs.

If you were a pilot and your union was in a squabble with your employer, I wouldn't doubt your account of the events if I wasn't there. I'd shut up and listen.

[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]

Did teacher give you your wowwypop yet?[/QUOTE]

And you wonder why most people here don't take you seriously...

You seriously have the potential, but resorting to one-sentence bullying posts probably isn't the best course of action.

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
In theory I'd obviously agree with 3, but it's not quite that simple.

If someone bashed you out of pure ignorance of reality, would you just let them continue to speak for you?

This has to do with a lot more than just one person's self-serving actions. It's about setting the record straight and replacing ignorance with first-hand information.[/QUOTE]

There's really no way to "set the record straight" when we can only have your (biased) view of the events. You're only ruining your own credibility by continuing to bash him, while he's coming off as the bigger man by staying out of the arguments.

Is THAT what you want?

[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote:[/b]

There's really no way to "set the record straight" when we can only have your (biased) view of the events. You're only ruining your own credibility by continuing to bash him, while he's coming off as the bigger man by staying out of the arguments.
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Call it biased if you want.

Call him the bigger man if you want.

Or you can, once again, listen to the truth:

He's in deeper trouble than you can even imagine. He's not away from this forum by choice.

If speaking the truth makes me less credible in some people's eyes, then their version of credibility isn't something I give a flying fuck about.

Can we finally give this a rest now?

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[b]The Real Wizard wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]

Did teacher give you your wowwypop yet?[/QUOTE]

And you wonder why most people here don't take you seriously...

You seriously have the potential, but resorting to one-sentence bullying posts probably isn't the best course of action.[/QUOTE]

And of course not a word from you about "Mr Animal Sex's" disgraceful attempt to bully GF above, or brenski calling her a "cu*t".  You are very predictably hypcritical.

Obviously such behaviour isn't acceptable.

Difference is - for you it's the norm so you've made yourself a target.

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[b]The Real Wizard wrote: [/b] Obviously such behaviour isn't acceptable.

Difference is - for you it's the norm so you've made yourself a target.[/QUOTE]

Not acceptable. But you chose not to mention it. Right.

Clearly it's acceptable to you when it's happening to someone you don't like. Your principles can be bought and sold.

To the Fanthology guys here, if you guys want to be believed, then provide reliable and verifiable evidence here to back up your version of the story. Until you do that, anything you say is up for challenge, rebuttal or attack.
That said, no person however is up for attack, so neither side should resort to ad hominem attacks.

Edit: Just for the reference, Fanthology accused Fuller of things so the onus is on Fanthology to prove their accusations right. Innocent until proven guilty.

Fantology are Dinosaurs...

In this digital age music is doomed to be shared.

Be proud you have the original.. Share it with the rest of us.

Cant see problem.

[QUOTE] [b]kosimodo wrote:[/b]

Fantology are Dinosaurs...

In this digital age music is doomed to be shared.

Be proud you have the original.. Share it with the rest of us.

Cant see problem.[/QUOTE]

Really? You can't see the problem? The thing is, they have risked a lot financially, and legally, to obtain what they have, and it is just not for us to expect, or demand, a share. Thing is, the Fanthology are using what they have as clout for other gems - sharing NOW jeopardises such chances. When the time is RIGHT, I'm sure we, who have not put in the time, money or effort, will benefit from their work. But, again, don't DEMAND - don't you know that "I want's" don't get?

Of course, you're welcome to source the leakers of material at the very top, pay a handsome ransom and then share it with us, gratis.

In fact, while we are at it, do you work? Because I lost my job, and am poor - will you share your money with me?

I don't see a problem with it!

No? Didn't think so.......

[QUOTE] [b]kosimodo wrote:[/b]

Fantology are Dinosaurs...

In this digital age music is doomed to be shared.

Be proud you have the original.. Share it with the rest of us.

Cant see problem.[/QUOTE]

I am not taking sides. I now you can not see it. Perhaps you don't even mean it. But this is bullying plain and simple. You are basically insulting someone first by calling them dinosaurs for something you do not have then demanding for thenm to share the fruits of their labour with you for free. Why would they do that. If I came into your house and did this this would be called robbery.

you are a dinosaur because you have a car and I want to take it to work because you have it parked in your driveway not in use. Its your car you decide who you lend it to. To force people like you do is bullying and qeeunzone is all about bullys.  I mean if I did borrow your car without persmission why would that be so wrong. You still own the original car and its not devalued. but the police would still se it as theft. even if it was not your car but a car you hired.

besides I do not see your argument at all because they say it [b]will[/b] be released but just not to [b]your[/b] time scale so why not wait. afterall look what they have already shared.