Fanthology - Index

The Valeyard:  It would be rather remiss of me to read your mails without leaving some sort of feedback; so first and foremost let me thank you for your kind and generous words. They are genuinely  appreciated and renew my faith in Queenzone and in myself, so again a very big and heartfelt thank you.

However; what I am really impressed with is you. Just last week you were asking what a Fanthology was - and here you are now - writing like some sort of expert! I am fascinated (and agree with Tero) by your meticulous  attention to detail and how you were able to raise points even I had not considered. Some of your insights were eerily accurate and I only wish I could have expressed them with such clarity in person.

I also admire that although you clearly nail your colours to the mast as it were, that you have been able to do this without becoming emotionally involved and resorting to negative or derogatory language. From a battle-hardened cynic like myself your child-like innocence is like a breath of fresh air and I only wish I could keep the same calm presence when under fire.

I actually Googled O.C.D. for a better understanding of your condition and I see that Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is an obsessive commitment to detail, and while most of us would view that as a positive trait I can see that the condition for you can in fact be a curse. The hours of your research must have been phenomenal; and for you to take around two hours to write a single post, I find that level of focus completely mind-blowing. I think most of us would just give up after ten minutes or so (indeed I did) and hence the spiral of negativity.

I think you have been able to restore some respect and dignity to the board and I am sure you have made many new QZ friends in the short time you have been here.  I hope you continue to take an active part in here and I enjoy reading your mails very much.

Again a very big thank-you;

John

Well said John, and seconded right here :)

Alright, so Fanthology...how is the progress of the box sets coming? :)

Here's how it is...Fuller can't legally sell these recordings. Really know one should have access to the recordings, but they do. I'd be over Fuller if he leaked something that was supposed to be within the Fanthology, especially if I paid good money for it! It's common sense really.

It's sad, because it was a joy to see Fuller's channel on YouTube and be amazed at what he possessed. I can only imagine what members of the Fanthology possess.

I admire any collector of Queen material, because they share my passion...which is the music of Queen. When JSS, the Real Wizard, and many other frequents on here post, I love it. That's years of being a fan and an amazing amount of knowledge. Same for Fuller, except he made a dumb decision.

Lets move on please. Lets talk about the original idea for the box sets concept, a possible index for Fanthology, and the awesome music of the greatest band in the land!

[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]
I also admire that although you clearly nail your colours to the mast as it were, that you have been able to do this without becoming emotionally involved and resorting to negative or derogatory language. From a battle-hardened cynic like myself your child-like innocence is like a breath of fresh air and I only wish I could keep the same calm presence when under fire.



I think you have been able to restore some respect and dignity to the board and I am sure you have made many new QZ friends in the short time you have been here.  I hope you continue to take an active part in here and I enjoy reading your mails very much.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree with John. The message board would have benefitted a great deal if the discussion had been at your level from the very beginning.

It's very easy to concentrate on just the single post you're replying, and forget about the complete picture. Sometimes it takes an outsider to compile the details, and for that we should be thankful to you.

I'm looking forward to reading your posts on other topics in the future.

[QUOTE] [b]The Valyard wrote:[/b]
In the end; it could be argued that it comes down to the word of two men and which is the one we are more likely to personally believe.

JSS Vs. David Fuller. [/QUOTE]

I don't think it has been an issue of personal credibility at all.

To me it has seemed like a continuous campaign of various posters united against a single person. Seemingly adding one more voice to that same campaign seemed redundat and detrimental for the message board in general... I guess you should have posted here a year yearlier, and you would have received a more positive welcome!


[QUOTE] [b]The Valyard wrote:[/b]I also suspect that Fuller has left because he is [b]not[/b] a man of pride nor principle but that he has been caught out (not only by the Fanthology) but by his own actions afterward; such as selling (in your words) extortionately priced bootleg CDs the content of which he received for free and in good faith. [/QUOTE]

I really do dislike speculation, especially speculation of emotions which only David himself could possibly know. I would prefer to stick to the facts publicly available.

I do know from personal experience that people can leave message boards because they they are unjustly persecuted, and cannot continue posting without being systematically harassed. It's a subjective feeling, and sometimes nobody else but the victim can see it.

[b]tero! 48531: [/b]I don't think it has been an issue of personal credibility at all.
To me it has seemed like a continuous campaign of various posters united against a single person.

Thank you for this, because I do not get that. I see the whole thing like Wimbledon. Two big tennis players against each other and everyone else in the board as just spectators supporting one side or the other. Because only one side can be correct it means that the other side must be wrong. So I still see it as a black and white picture of right versus wrong. I can see how JSS supporters boo Fuller and Fuller supporters boo JSS but the final truth is outside the supporters and the result of that truth stands alone.

[b]tero! 48531:[/b] I really do dislike speculation,
I do know from personal experience that people can leave message boards because they are unjustly persecuted, and cannot continue posting without being systematically harassed.

That is true too, but that is still  your speculation even though you dislike speculation. The truth is nobody knows why Fuller has left this board except for Fuller so your guess, my guess and everyone elses guesses are all equal, and if all guesses are equal they are all valid and equally invalid, but you are right we must stick to the facts. As you said looking at the facts as a whole and not just individual bits of mail, and translating the available data into a mathematical problem solving equation it seem reasonable to conclude why Fuller may have left. But you are correct I do not have a full access to full data so my conclusion is based on inconclusive data and therefore must be inconclusive as a result.

[b]John S Stuart[/b], [b]Thistleboy 1980[/b], [b]tero! 48531[/b]: Thank you for your very kind words of encouragement. [Tears of joy!]

[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]

The Valeyard:  It would be rather remiss of me to read your mails without leaving some sort of feedback; so first and foremost let me thank you for your kind and generous words. They are genuinely  appreciated and renew my faith in Queenzone and in myself, so again a very big and heartfelt thank you.

However; what I am really impressed with is you. Just last week you were asking what a Fanthology was - and here you are now - writing like some sort of expert! I am fascinated (and agree with Tero) by your meticulous  attention to detail and how you were able to raise points even I had not considered. Some of your insights were eerily accurate and I only wish I could have expressed them with such clarity in person.

I also admire that although you clearly nail your colours to the mast as it were, that you have been able to do this without becoming emotionally involved and resorting to negative or derogatory language. From a battle-hardened cynic like myself your child-like innocence is like a breath of fresh air and I only wish I could keep the same calm presence when under fire.

I actually Googled O.C.D. for a better understanding of your condition and I see that Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is an obsessive commitment to detail, and while most of us would view that as a positive trait I can see that the condition for you can in fact be a curse. The hours of your research must have been phenomenal; and for you to take around two hours to write a single post, I find that level of focus completely mind-blowing. I think most of us would just give up after ten minutes or so (indeed I did) and hence the spiral of negativity.

I think you have been able to restore some respect and dignity to the board and I am sure you have made many new QZ friends in the short time you have been here.  I hope you continue to take an active part in here and I enjoy reading your mails very much.

Again a very big thank-you;

John[/QUOTE]

Amen.

[QUOTE] [b]tero! 48531 wrote:[/b]

Sometimes it takes an outsider to compile the details, and for that we should be thankful to you.
[/QUOTE]

Indeed - Valyard is a breath of fresh air here, and is most welcome to continue filling in the gaps with much-needed neutral facts that will hopefully keep needless debate and character assassination to a minimum.

So does this mean some civility been restored here, at last ?

[QUOTE] [b]The Valyard wrote:[/b]
That is true too, but that is still  your speculation even though you dislike speculation. The truth is nobody knows why Fuller has left this board except for Fuller so your guess, my guess and everyone elses guesses are all equal, and if all guesses are equal they are all valid and equally invalid, but you are right we must stick to the facts. As you said looking at the facts as a whole and not just individual bits of mail, and translating the available data into a mathematical problem solving equation it seem reasonable to conclude why Fuller may have left. But you are correct I do not have a full access to full data so my conclusion is based on inconclusive data and therefore must be inconclusive as a result. [/QUOTE]

It's true that neither of us can know the real reasons, but there is a difference between offering speculation and hypothesis.

My hypothesis is based on the perceivable bullying, and it does offer a possible explanation for the exit. It isn't necessarily true, but it's still an explanation.

Using his own thoughts and feelings isn't based an any perceivable facts, especially since he isn't here to share those thoughts. By definition, it can be nothing more than pure speculation.