If you want to include all the facts, you also have to include all the petty bickering, half-truths, attempts at discrediting the people with opposite viewpoints etc.
Either you draw the line to make story as simple (and easily forgettable) as you can, or you continue with another 10 pages of arguments every week.
tero! 48531 · Member since
Actually, you can sum up all the necessary information with just one sentence:
[i]David was a member in a group of traders, distributed to the public some material the traders didn't want to be publicly available, and the traders weren't happy about it.[/i]
That's all we need to know, and the rest can (and should) be taken to private messages.
[b]tero! 48531 wrote: [/b] Actually, you can sum up all the necessary information with just one sentence:
[i]David was a member in a group of traders, distributed to the public some material the traders didn't want to be publicly available, and the traders weren't happy about it.[/i]
That's all we need to know, and the rest can (and should) be taken to private messages.
Total rubbish. I disagree with you and this is why.
[i][b]David was a member in a group of collectors, these collectors wanted to release the best of the best box sets for fans by fans for free, but David stole and sold to the public this same material the collectors gave him for free, and the collectors weren't happy about it because now he has undermined the whole good-will thing and destroyed all trust in and with each other.[/b][/i]
Why do I believe the latter; because if you look at the Fanthologists as individuals they have all given free, free, free. I have never seen JSS pimp his goods for monies (nor anyone else in the Fanthology), all I have seen are a lot of free uploads and goodwill.
I have never seen any goodwill from David unless it was for his own glory or stuff that he has stolen from others.
By [b]his own words[/b] he is either the biggest hoarder of all time - or he has betrayed the goodwill of the whole Queen community. He cannot have it both ways, and neither can his supporters.
Now can you please move on and stop all this bullyboy tactics.[/QUOTE]
dowens · Member since
Ok, I understand why The Fanthology would be over Fuller for leaking material. So, does that mean they do not plan to release any material to us fans still? Releasing the best box sets could still be great, despite Fuller leaking stuff. Weren't they going to release it anyway?
Maybe I'm just confused.
tero! 48531 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Valyard wrote:[/b]
[i][b]David was a member in a group of collectors, these collectors wanted to release the best of the best box sets for fans by fans for free, but David stole and sold to the public this same material the collectors gave him for free, and the collectors weren't happy about it because now he has undermined the whole good-will thing and destroyed all trust in and with each other.[/b][/i]
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You do realise that the "selling" of this material was actually a single throwaway message which happened over six months after the arguments broke out of QZ?
[QUOTE] [b]The Valyard wrote:[/b]
I have never seen any goodwill from David unless it was for his own glory or stuff that he has stolen from others.
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The arguments which started because of material "leaked" out to the QZ public for free?
That's the same amount of goodwill and personal glory that any poster here achieves when they make something available.
[QUOTE] [b]The Valyard wrote:[/b]
Now can you please move on and stop all this bullyboy tactics.[/QUOTE]
I find it interesting (although not very surprising) that a "new" poster arrives to the argument with the "comprehensive" and one-sided explanation of the entire Fuller argument, which all the traders immediately agree with.
It's only natural for such a poster to ignore the "bullyboy tactics" of the traders, and to stifle the opposing views.
Unfortunately for the message board it doesn't actually help in calming the argument.
The Valyard · Member since
tero! 48531 wrote: You do realise that the "selling" of this material was actually a single throwaway message which happened over six months after the arguments broke out of QZ?
[b]No not true. He was selling them on twitter, tumblr and on his youtube channel ages ago. i now because i payed £40 for one of his cds of exclusive traks. so do not tell me it was a throwaway remark it was not. It was only after a frind told me that the reation stuff was free in Queenzone i found out i had payed him for tracks he already leaked. OK some of the stuff on the cd has not made Queenzone yet, but it will and i am agry i was conned £40 for something he got for nothing. [/b] The arguments which started because of material "leaked" out to the QZ public for free? [b] But it was not his stuff that leaked anyone can be generous with other peoples stuff and money. so if i stole your wallet and bought everyone a free burger that would make me a good person. it was only free so he could get the glory. when that was stopped he stopped his aharing and started selling. in his own words he said he uploaded the most well where is his stuuf as it is only other folks stuff he leaked then sold. he even says he leaked it in his own version. Anyone can be genorous when spending other peoples material. [/b] That's the same amount of goodwill and personal glory that any poster here achieves when they make something available.
[b]No it is not most people do not wrtite if i did not share this you would never hear it. infact he is the only person ever to do that self advertisning glory thing. most people are just happy to share without any self publicity. Why did david join the fanthology in the firwst place. he could of said no. what was in it for him. why has he never released HIS stuff the stuff HE supposedly uploaded. why has he only leaked other peoples stuff. Why did he leak stuff he was honour bound to keep quiet about only a few months later. How is it that he released gems noone even new existed. why did he sell stuff to me and others that was not only free on queenzone but was stuff he got for nothing himself.
[/b]I find it interesting (although not very surprising) that a "new" poster arrives to the argument with the "comprehensive" and one-sided explanation of the entire Fuller argument, which all the traders immediately agree with.
[b]i said before i have dipped into queen forums and queenzone before. so i am no stranger here. i never heard of fanthology before but i know all about david fuller. can i not bring that to the table becase i am angry he ripped me off and i now i am not the only one he has ripped off either there are more in here but i guess they want to keep that quiet in case he has more and they are refused first bite at the cherry.
[/b]Unfortunately for the message board it doesn't actually help in calming the argument.
[b]it helps if i have inside information becaus i have dealt with him. it helps because you said he did not sell when i can proof he did. you have nothing in your armoury but assumptions. I have hard facts. Never assume becaus assume is made up of you making an ass of u and me. = ass u me
Come back and call me a liar because you cant. everything i say is 100% true but because you dont like it you chose to look the other way. it is you who is the bullyboy so stop it.[/b]
The Valyard · Member since
tero! 48531 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Valyard wrote:[/b]
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Your latest post makes me wonder why the information of selling bootlegs for extortionate sums wasn't mentioned in your exhaustive report on the actions of David Fuller?
Wouldn't it have been somewhat important?
Perhaps it would even influence the people of QZ?
Do you have any more FIRSTHAND information you would like to share now, before it can be dismissed as merely something you're making up on the spot?
The Valyard · Member since
Your latest post makes me wonder why the information of selling bootlegs for extortionate sums wasn't mentioned in your exhaustive report on the actions of David Fuller?
[b] It was. i have always said he sold for money go back and reread the stuff i said before.[/b]
[b]I guess you never read any of these 2 posts before then.[/b]
He began to leak the material. He then "copyrighted" the material and illegally broadcast it as his own on his YouTube Channel. He was politely asked by Queen Productions to remove their material from his channel. He continued to brazenly do so until he was "closed down". [b]He then pimped monies from fans for the material he received for free.[/b] These fans who bought from him are now uploading the tracks to Queenzone.
[b] i now I am not the only one who has bought these traks becase I know of 2 others in here in queenzone who also bought them but it is not my job to out who they are. but i can ask the other queenzoners to be open and confirm that they bought them to so we can finally lay this ghost to rest once and for all.
like i said before Come back and call me a liar because you cant. everything i say is 100% true but because you dont like it you chose to look the other way. it is you who is the bullyboy so stop it. [/b]
The Real Wizard · Member since
Valyard - your efforts are admirable, but you just can't argue with cognitive dissonance.
Some people just refuse to listen and learn. Save your breath.
Valyard, thank you for indirectly backing up and vindicating what I had said all along, in that when I reported DRF for fraudulent online digital sale activity, that the secondary goal for shutting him down based on that activity was to also prevent him from ripping off other fans!
Yuri Queen · Member since
HI !!
first...sorry for my english :) hehehe
forgive my intrusion,but I would say what it was for me about demo
so.....swap only 2/3 track.... I bought from David only rare collaborations I had not ,to complete the collection,and Jim Hutton tape,for remaining track trade with others fan,some track received from friend.... About Garden Lodge I have the copy directly from Peter Freestone,I have also contacted to tell him that's not me to pass it to others... he has great respect for me,I know him well,bye bye
tero! 48531 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Valyard - your efforts are admirable, but you just can't argue with cognitive dissonance.
Some people just refuse to listen and learn. Save your breath.[/QUOTE]
In my case, it would have been be pretty easy to have convinced me.
A simple testimonial of Valyard detailing the record he bought, and a chance for David Fuller to respond to it. That's all I need to believe.
The continuous drip-feeding of damning information whenever you need new leverage in an argument is a "bullyboy tactic", and unfotunately makes any new information questionable.
