[ Why not send the same request to QPL, after all they would be the experts.[/i][/b][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
You deem QPL to be the experts? Do they really know everything that 'Fanology' posesses? This is a company that:
1) has Brian May as a director - a man who at the Prince's trust gig in 2010 claimed that 'It's A Hard Life' had never before been performed live!
2) Has Roger Taylor as a director - a man who has previously claimed that the Queen archives don't really contain much more in the way of unreleased tracks!
3) Has John Deacon as a director - a man who used to bugger off skiing when the band were in full swing in the studio!
The Valyard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Jam Monkey wrote:[/b]
You'd like a well organised list of everything the Fanthology has? So would I, and I'm in it!
On a serious note, there is something I can share if you are interested in all the various pieces of Queen material. Along the lines of queenvault.com, but a good deal more comprehensive and accurate.
Let me see what I can do.[/QUOTE]
Thank you.
I am fed up reading all these rows about David Fuller. If you are a member of the Fanthology as well will you kill off this stupid debate once and forever. Can you confirm or deny John S. Stuart's version of events?
joesilvey · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]
Fake - Mad The Swine full version with beginning "I've" FLAC (Shared on Qz)
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Fascinating... whoever created this file went to the trouble of grabbing an "I" from a Freddie vocal in the correct key and with a breath intake preceding it. I'd been totally fooled, but upon inspection of the waveform, it is apparently just tacked on and separate from the true track's beginning. a very good fake, I must admit.
it makes sense that it just isn't there - if QPL dug around enough for the 2011 re-issues to find Jealousy's kick drum, they certainly would have taken the opportunity to restore a full beginning to Mad The Swine... wouldn't they?
JSS - are you at liberty to confirm this from knowledge of the master tapes condition or contents? thanks much
Ale_Pisa · Member since
The intro of Mad The Swine complete version is taken from We Are The Champions... :)
John S Stuart · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]joesilvey wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]
Fake - Mad The Swine full version with beginning "I've" FLAC (Shared on Qz)
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Fascinating... whoever created this file went to the trouble of grabbing an "I" from a Freddie vocal in the correct key and with a breath intake preceding it. I'd been totally fooled, but upon inspection of the waveform, it is apparently just tacked on and separate from the true track's beginning. a very good fake, I must admit.
it makes sense that it just isn't there - if QPL dug around enough for the 2011 re-issues to find Jealousy's kick drum, they certainly would have taken the opportunity to restore a full beginning to Mad The Swine... wouldn't they?
JSS - are you at liberty to confirm this from knowledge of the master tapes condition or contents? thanks much[/QUOTE]
@ JoeSilvey: Trial and error!
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Valyard wrote:[/b]
I am fed up reading all these rows about David Fuller.[/QUOTE]
Me too.
[QUOTE]If you are a member of the Fanthology as well will you kill off this stupid debate once and forever. Can you confirm or deny John S. Stuart's version of events?[/QUOTE]
I've already confirmed it numerous times (as have several others), yet ignorance prevails. So I guess a fifth or sixth opinion wouldn't hurt...
Welcome to QZ. You have a grand total of two posts here and seem keen to get into the thick of things. Have you been a lurker here for some time now?
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
You deem QPL to be the experts?[/QUOTE]
I believe your sarcasm monitor did not go off :-)
GratefulFan · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
I've already confirmed it numerous times (as have several others), yet ignorance prevails. So I guess a fifth or sixth opinion wouldn't hurt...
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Pffft. There is a little knot of you here that are like corrupt cops. The evidence is whatever you say it is as it serves you. I have no idea what Fuller did or didn't do, or the degree to which he did it. And based on anything you've said here, neither do you. Dave's defense last year was that he had the material from another source as well and thus felt free to share it in an autonomous decision. Against your rules? For sure. We get that you don't like competing philosophies on sharing music outside of the elite. Bottom line is you have no idea what Fuller had in his collection from anybody else before or after Fanthology. You cannot have a comprehensive idea what panic trades were triggered by your collective fit of pique last year because the world is a big place and your hobby is a self interested stabby little affair all too often because it can be fuelled almost completely by self enrichment and ego. I asked if anything on Dave's list was competely uncirculated in the trading community and you decided to answer some different question I didn't ask. Unless you can point to something on that list that was only in Fanthology you have a shit case. Surely there was something like that on that list? Why don't you take that route instead of this other transparent nonsense?
The watermark? This is what has been said about it: it's indelible and can't be altered, but Dave was so stupid he didn't remove it, you asked an IT expert to help you do it and every single Fanthology member had unique downloads, oh no it was scratches and hisses that only Dave had, oh actually it was in the form of a number, and John even posted the number. Ridiculous, contradictory nonsense from people who feel not a single shred of responsiblilty to make a decent case commensurate to the massive, continuous charater assassination. John changes the damage assessment like he changes lanes. Do you really imagine people don't notice this? Or the manipulative nature of some of the threads about badgers and whether something is a 7 or 4? Or how slimy it is to feature on 20 pages of accusations and then go back and delete all your posts? Remember the bogus accusations about the Cherie track? More deleted accusations, so easily proven wrong in that case because they didn't depend on your backroom trials. Anybody could google that information, and anybody did. In the Cherie case you accused him incorrectly and for nothing and rather than apologize you deleted your accusations. Classy stuff. Stop making the fact that you have zero perspective or objectivity on this guy QZs problem. He could be a psychopath that would steal tracks from his own grandmother for all I know, but at least I know what I don't know.
Sad that you need this boogieman so badly. Can't your hobby function without this device to bludgeon new ideas and control people in the Announce section? Even if his actions are what you imagine they are then the damage is self limiting. Let it go. He'll burn out his stash and that will be that. In fact he should already have done that since John's 'proof' that tracks weren't secured from other collectors is that Dave can't hold stuff for more than a few months because he has a trigger finger. Since Fanthology first emerged in 2011 this is already over by your own arguments. Let it go. Everybody is tired of it, and witch hunts are fucking evil anyway. Your self serving hate campaign was mostly successful. For the sake of QZ let that be enough and just let it go.
Lord Gaga · Member since
There are logs of all of the stuff Fuller downloaded, and everything that he downloaded "mysteriously" popped up on his YouTube channel.
Like you said, you weren't there, and you don't know what he has and what he downloaded. We were there, and we might not know what he had already (he certainly didn't bring anything to the table – not that I'm necessarily one to talk!), but we know what he downloaded.
GratefulFan · Member since
It doesn't matter whether I was there or home on my sofa. That is irrelevant. He never denied downloading anything ever and that has never been the point. I participated heavily in the original thread after quietly observing for several days as I got a sense of the evidence, which was increasingly, shockingly thin and overstated. He's had a channel before and after Fanthology and he had rarities on his channel before Fanthology. You don't know what he traded for. You really, really can't know that. And neither can I. For all I know he might acknowledge exactly what you're saying at this point because it's never been my impression that he much gives a crap about current traders or their values. But unless he does you're stuck with the fact that a bunch of people with a huge and proven objectivity problem have a thin circumstantial case. A case that by their own arguments shouldn't matter by now. So isn't dropping the witch hunt well overdue? It's become almost fable-like, well overcooked and more than a little absurd. Everybody should be able to agree on this: it's in the best interest of this community to just let. it. go. If a hobby needs a grim monster from somebody's feeble nightmares to haunt the halls of a discussion forum it's probably time for that hobby's participants to do a little self check.
brians wig · Member since
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[b]John S Stuart wrote: [/b] Dear Mr Valyard (Shouldn't that be Valeyard?) ;-)
I have no idea what Fuller did or didn't do,
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For the sake of QZ let that be enough and just let it go.
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Please take your own advice and give it a rest. How can anyone repeat that they know nothing about an issue but keep filling pages and pages of wild guesses, suggestions and fantasies? How does it make you feel accusing people about things you have zero knowledge of? Do you feel morally superior? You are not. You have turned from a nice screen person into a troll who has no life but keeps ranting about things you have no clue about and gets a sick pleasure out of other peoples' misfortune.
Just let it go and please spare me another rant because I won't answer you like I did not answer to this issue for the last five months.
GratefulFan · Member since
The difference is that I acknowledge I don't know where others don't. Accusations? Stating facts, even ones you don't like, are not accusations. The original thread was the original case and all the evidence was presented there, and now deleted, including your posts. That's immoral. You can call me names and ascribe motives to me all day long or every five months as you please. I know why I make these arguments, and I have to think that there are others concerned with fairness and attuned to self interested power tripping that do too. You're not objective on this and you never were. The specter of Fuller only comes up when he's needed to control some aspect of thinking on this board, and he only comes up at the initiation of collectors. Therefore the burden of letting it go sits with them. And you. So why not let it go?
