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Battler wrote: To the Fanthology guys here, if you guys want to be believed, then provide reliable and verifiable evidence here to back up your version of the story. Until you do that, anything you say is up for challenge, rebuttal or attack.
That said, no person however is up for attack, so neither side should resort to ad hominem attacks.

Edit: Just for the reference, Fanthology accused Fuller of things so the onus is on Fanthology to prove their accusations right. Innocent until proven guilty.

Heres what john said in another post http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1346781/queen-is-this-the-world-we-created-piano-version.aspx?page=2

I am not taking sides, I am just anti-bullying from everyone. So giving fuller the benefit of the doubt what would he be guilty of if a fanthology did not exist... highlighted the non-fanthology bits.

He joined an exclusive group of collectors that most would have given their right arm to join. 
He was asked to join - not for HIS rarities but to head up a sub committee of screening hours of video to help select the best quality etc.
He then bit the hand that fed him.
He broke all his promises thus betraying himself and the group.
He began to leak the material.
He then "copyrighted" the material and illegally broadcast it as his own on his YouTube Channel.
He was politely asked by Queen Productions to remove their material from his channel.
He continued to brazenly do so until he was "closed down".
He then pimped monies from fans for the material he received for free.
These fans who bought from him are now uploading the tracks to Queenzone. 
He is now squandering his thirty pieces of silver... 

So if the bold bits are right, what has that to do with a fanthology or anything else. nothing. so what do they have to prove - just the bits that were not highlighted and the bits in bold are still not things to be proud of.

Now I am not saying fuller should be bullied. I am saying he needs to be forgiven. but part of forgiveness has to be confession and repentance. even if you do not believe in a god; how can Queenzoen be split over a cult hero whenin fact all the bolds bits have nothing to do with anyone else but fuller alone. and even these bits are less than heroic.

I don't think this is about fuller at all. I think he is being used only as an excuse to continue with the bile and bullying in Queenzone. This is about haves and havenots and that happens all the time. So what next blame someone else because theyhave blonde hair or they are thin.

This is all about jealousies on either side and this is the root of all evil in here. Greed.

The Real Wizard wrote:

tero! 48531 wrote:

There's really no way to "set the record straight" when we can only have your (biased) view of the events. You're only ruining your own credibility by continuing to bash him, while he's coming off as the bigger man by staying out of the arguments.

Call it biased if you want.

Call him the bigger man if you want.

Or you can, once again, listen to the truth:

He's in deeper trouble than you can even imagine. He's not away from this forum by choice.

If speaking the truth makes me less credible in some people's eyes, then their version of credibility isn't something I give a flying fuck about.

Can we finally give this a rest now?

For all I know you could be 100% accurate in everything you say, but you still come across as nothing more than a petty and vindictive bully who keeps on beating a guy who does nothing to defend himself.
There's nothing more the community on QZ can gain from you continuing.

To sum it all up, we can all give it a rest as soon as YOU give it a rest.

Fuller staying silent/ not defending himself.makes him a bigger man? I don't think so...

Bob Dylan sang allready a long time ago The times they are a changin'

Due to digital formats some investments loose their value. Your shares in TDK arent much worth nowadays either.

Take your loss and move on.

tero! 48531 wrote:

For all I know you could be 100% accurate in everything you say, but you still come across as nothing more than a petty and vindictive bully who keeps on beating a guy who does nothing to defend himself.

That's your interpretation. But unfortunately for you, your character judgements don't make my first-hand accounts any less accurate.

But if most people here don't value this kind of accuracy, then indeed you're right - I'm wasting my time.

Even more bullying again...

kosimodo wrote: Bob Dylan sang allready a long time ago The times they are a changin'

Due to digital formats some investments loose their value. Your shares in TDK arent much worth nowadays either.

Take your loss and move on.   
And your petrol driven car is second hand. and I have borrowed it from you and you can't use it so take the loss and move on. 

WHy did you avoid both what I said and thistleboy said and resort to even yet more bullying. Is it because our answers were not reasonable enough for you? If we were being reasonable then it must be YOU who is being an unreasonable bully because somebody is and it's not me!
Or are your  answers selective? From what I read it is you who are being unreasonable by DEMANDING other people to do what YOU want when YOU want it even after they said it WILL be released in the future. Why the impatience and inflammatory posturing? Just saying.
    

I am not taking sides. I now you can not see it. Perhaps you don't even mean it. But this is bullying plain and simple. You are basically insulting someone first by calling them dinosaurs for something you do not have then demanding for thenm to share the fruits of their labour with you for free. Why would they do that. If I came into your house and did this this would be called robbery.

you are a dinosaur because you have a car and I want to take it to work because you have it parked in your driveway not in use. Its your car you decide who you lend it to. To force people like you do is bullying and qeeunzone is all about bullys.  I mean if I did borrow your car without persmission why would that be so wrong. You still own the original car and its not devalued. but the police would still se it as theft. even if it was not your car but a car you hired.

besides I do not see your argument at all because they say it will be released but just not to your time scale so why not wait. afterall look what they have already shared.

I'm member of a website called BetaArchive which is about sharing old and pre-release software. And many people there have shared for free what they have paid lots for. I don't see why the people here can't do the same.
Also, as for trading... what is achieved by it other than enlarging some private collections? People will always say "why should I share when there's stuff to trade it for" so it will never make it outside of those 1% of traders. This is why I think sharing is superior.

As for Fuller "biting the hand that fed him", this is what I'm asking for reliable and verifiable evidence for. Since their whole case rests on the hypothesis that Fuller did not have the stuff before joining Fanthology and that the shared stuff came from Fanthology. And so far, the only evidence that was provided, was an alleged watermark which is however no evidence because I doubt any audio watermark would get preserved after the audio is converted to a much more lossy YouTube format. You claim otherwise, so it'd be nice to see some evidence for it, rather than just "we say it's so so believe us".

@ Battler - just because SOME do, doesn't mean everyone should! If those same people (from BetaArchive) started jumping off cliffs, would you then say that suicide is superior to living? I think not. The point is that because some people behave in a certain fashion doesn't mean that everyone else should conform to that standard.

"I don't see why people here can't do the same" - well, I don't see why they SHOULD.

But go on, miss the point and argue the toss.

Battler wrote: I'm member of a website called BetaArchive which is about sharing old and pre-release software. And many people there have shared for free what they have paid lots for. I don't see why the people here can't do the same.
Also, as for trading... what is achieved by it other than enlarging some private collections? People will always say "why should I share when there's stuff to trade it for" so it will never make it outside of those 1% of traders. This is why I think sharing is superior. 

A good mail with good points But from what I read from realwizzard a lot has already been shared in here by both them John Stuart too. So if I believe the fanthology hype why not give them the benefit of the doubt. afterall they say it is a fanthology because it is an anthology for the fans. if that is true I say give them a fair chance. Maybe they don't want to release a Freddie type Cross box set because they know that say 2 tracks are still missing - so they could be still waiting for them before they release it. Who knows... If that is the case I can see why they would be upset at things leaking early. Especially if they want to release them for FREE when someone ELSE is charging for it. But your guess is as good as mine except I say give them a chance. to me that's fair and reasonable. (reasonable is a word I use a lot!

As for Fuller "biting the hand that fed him", this is what I'm asking for reliable and verifiable evidence for. Since their whole case rests on the hypothesis that Fuller did not have the stuff before joining Fanthology and that the shared stuff came from Fanthology. And so far, the only evidence that was provided, was an alleged watermark which is however no evidence because I doubt any audio watermark would get preserved after the audio is converted to a much more lossy YouTube format. You claim otherwise, so it'd be nice to see some evidence for it, rather than just "we say it's so so believe us".

Ok another good point I cannot reasonably argue with. but what about the things below. If fuller did do these then he is not the superhero robin hood that many in here want to paint him as quite the opposite really. I am not anti-fuller I am not anti fanthology but I am antibullying and campaigning for reason and reason says if he can do the stuff below then he does have a track record. What is the fanthology track record like.

He began to leak the material.
He then "copyrighted" the material and illegally broadcast it as his own on his YouTube Channel.
He was politely asked by Queen Productions to remove their material from his channel.
He continued to brazenly do so until he was "closed down".
He then pimped monies from fans for the material he received for free.
These fans who bought from him are now uploading the tracks to Queenzone.

@ The Valyard - Kosimodo won't respond in a well-thought, structured manner because he doesn't get the point. For him, everything's fine as long as he's getting. Put the shoe on the other foot, however, and it's a different matter. He's been caught out, so he has no answer.

Thanks thistleboy.

Is this the idea behind fanthology/
http://www.webgrafikk.com/beatles1/pc/index.html

Purple Chick discs are fan created and NEVER FOR SALE!!!
Seriously, if you pay money for them you were ripped off - someone somewhere sold what they obtained for free. Not cool.

@ Battler: I forgot to say in my previous post to you - who says they will continue to trade among themselves? Quite a bit of what you have, right now, came from them. Take, for instance, JSS - he gave us the complete BBC recordings, straight from the masters, and in lossless FLAC format. He also provided many of the tracks - to QPL - for the Freddie box set from 2001, gratis. You benefited from that quite a bit, didn't you? I don't know ALL of the fanthologists, but another example is Craig (Jam Monkey) - for at least a couple of years, his avatar linked to a website where he had uploaded a plethora of gems, for you to download, gratis.

They have been doing what they have been doing for years, and are entitled to either keep or share. It's not for you to demand, and you can't go about saying that their purpose is only to boost the collection of private collectors: that's just hearsay, and I think that they would be happy to, once everything has been collected, verified and documented, share - just like they have been doing previously.

What are you contributing? Why do you think you should get without giving?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - going by your logic, we should all be philanthropic: let's extend that to way beyond Queen music. As explained, I lost my job. I had been contributing to society whilst I was working, but can't right now, and am struggling financially: I'll expect a payment, direct from you, to be in my bank account soon, just to tide me over.

No?.....why doesn't this surprise me????

The Real Wizard wrote:

But if most people here don't value this kind of accuracy, then indeed you're right - I'm wasting my time.

So why do you continue with the bashing?

What do you get out of it??

Can you give us ONE concrete example of the benefits you've gotten out of this behaviour in the last year?

I do get the point. And ofcourse i am putting some oil on the fire...