Why the hate for Queen?

Discussing Queen-related topics is the whole point of this forum. What else are we supposed to do here? It is not "hate" when I do not like a release , performance or collaboration, it's called an "opinion".

This is a discussion forum, not a worship fest.

Doga, you based your whole argument on the basis that Queen have released seven live albums? Really?

As already pointed out to you, three of these releases (Wembley, Live Magic and Budapest) are the same tour, one (Beeb) doesn't really count as it's a radio session, and wasn't played "live" as it were, and another (Live Killers) is not even a full show, but a cut and paste job. Wembley has been released to death, Live Magic is just another horrible cut and paste job - so with Budapest, MK and RM, we only have three decent worthwhile live albums....and even at that, MK has been overdubbed to cut out Freddie's vocal mishaps.

If they were to release something decent from the seventies, I'm sure there wouldn't be too many "moans" here on QZ.

But it's NOT just about live stuff, is it Doga? NO! We keep getting re-hashed studio material and umpteen "best of" releases. Fuck that! Sure, you're opinion is valid - don't buy if you don't like - but everytime there is a re-release, we are promised that it sounds better than the last issue.....so if we DON'T go for it, then how are we supposed to say if we like it or not???? Again, if they'd just release something worthwhile - i.e the demos, out-takes and oddities that we've been promised (even in their rawest form) - then I'm sure QPL would not take the stick it has been getting.

And anyway, Zeb, Seb and YV are spot-on: a negative comment about a product/collaboration or whatever does NOT equal hate. It's an opinion, and that's OUR right. If we constructively criticise, then maybe they'll think about doing something we're looking for!

Until the band will not issued a live album from the seventies, we can not say that we have complete insight in a work of the band! I personally would like to see live album, where we can not found We are the Champions and We Will Rock You!
I think we all know what I mean!

I will continue to complain. As long as the live album will not results!
But possibilities are obviously very small!

[QUOTE] [b]Thistleboy1980 wrote:[/b]

Doga, you based your whole argument on the basis that Queen have released seven live albums? Really?

As already pointed out to you, three of these releases (Wembley, Live Magic and Budapest) are the same tour, one (Beeb) doesn't really count as it's a radio session, and wasn't played "live" as it were, and another (Live Killers) is not even a full show, but a cut and paste job. Wembley has been released to death, Live Magic is just another horrible cut and paste job - so with Budapest, MK and RM, we only have three decent worthwhile live albums....and even at that, MK has been overdubbed to cut out Freddie's vocal mishaps.

If they were to release something decent from the seventies, I'm sure there wouldn't be too many "moans" here on QZ.

But it's NOT just about live stuff, is it Doga? NO! We keep getting re-hashed studio material and umpteen "best of" releases. Fuck that! Sure, you're opinion is valid - don't buy if you don't like - but everytime there is a re-release, we are promised that it sounds better than the last issue.....so if we DON'T go for it, then how are we supposed to say if we like it or not???? Again, if they'd just release something worthwhile - i.e the demos, out-takes and oddities that we've been promised (even in their rawest form) - then I'm sure QPL would not take the stick it has been getting.

And anyway, Zeb, Seb and YV are spot-on: a negative comment about a product/collaboration or whatever does NOT equal hate. It's an opinion, and that's OUR right. If we constructively criticise, then maybe they'll think about doing something we're looking for!

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One of the best posts I've seen in ages! Keep 'em coming mate :-)

Some people are too harsh

Cheers Val lol :)

[QUOTE] [b]Snackpot wrote:[/b]

Some people are too harsh[/QUOTE]

Only 99% of them and only 99% of the time.

:p

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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b] For fucks sake. Brian May collaborated with Dappy. That's supposed to be okay? Really? Has your sphincter of 'artistic' tolerance been repeatedly ass-fucked to such a diameter that something like this just slips by? Just ... sloshes out like last night's curry, completely unnoticed?

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I'd just like to refute this. And, as it says next to my post: be gentle, I'm a newbie!

I get the impression you're accusing him of selling out here, and I can see how you'd come to think that. The guitarist of classic, legendary band Queen collaborating with a rapper, their two styles miles apart? It's hard to that rationalise as anything [i]but [/i]selling out.

But music is subjective. Dappy's music obviously isn't to your taste. It's not to mine, either. However, other people love that style of music, while they might listen to Queen and hate it. Just because it's not good for one person, it doesn't mean it's not good for others.

And in fact, the whole reason the collaboration came about was because Brian was [url=http://http://video.uk.msn.com/watch/video/msn-exclusive-brian-mays-favourite-song-of-the-moment/2tdi3spw]interviewed on what his favourite song of the moment was[/url] and answered it was a song by Dappy because of its lyrics.

Now I can't blame him for appreciating the lyrics. Just look at them. "'Cause I'm no longer looking at a reflection I admire. I paint the picture of a fighter, but there's someone's looking back at me and says I'm a liar." That's undeniably good. Say what you will about the music, but the words are brilliantly written.

Brian wasn't the one who had the idea of the collaboration. Dappy was. As Brian said himself: "I don't have time for 'guesting' much any more on people's records. But when this track arrived in my inbox, I couldn't say no. Dappy's work reminds me that, although our 'genres' may be a million miles apart, there are areas where we speak the same language." This wasn't a career move; an attempt to snatch himself some more dosh. In fact, if this is to be believed -- and it's likely true, considering his appreciation of Dappy was public long before this was made -- it was a move to try and unite fans of different types of music.

I'm voicing an opinion here... but I like it. It's not my sort of music, for sure. But I agree with Brian that the lyrics are fantastic. "If the Guardian's my angel, why's the Sun burning holes in me?" Good lyrics are good lyrics, regardless of the music style.

So what Brian did here wasn't selling out, or deliberately 'muddying the Queen name' for cash. He was helping someone with a song, whose music he genuinely admires.

And who are we to stop him doing that?

(Sorry this is kinda long. The things I write tend to end up like that.)

[QUOTE] [b]thefantasticdrowse wrote:[/b]

And who are we to stop him doing that?

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Thing is, we're not and we cannot stop him from doing that. What we can do is express our opinion. Some people will like that collaboration, some won't; some will consider it selling out, some won't, and both sides will have arguments to defend their position.

Part of a forum is being able to agree to disagree. Another big part is understanding what kind of forum this is. It's not a worship fest, a wank fest ... not even a fan club, it's a discussion forum. In a discussion forum, people are meant to be able to submit opinions, both positive and negative.

Not everyone who likes, say, 'We Will Rock You' with 5ive, is a stepford who would glady agree to drink Brian's urine just because it's Brian's; and not everyone who dislikes, say, 'We Will Rock You' with 5ive, is a ruthless savage who daydreams about murdering Brian and Roger because he or she feels it's their place to dictate what they should or shouldn't do.

The world's not black and white, and it's not grey either. There are millions of colours, and just because we can't see the IR or the UV, it doesn't mean they don't exist.

So if someone wants to politely disagree with a decision made by a celebrity, or if they want to constructively critiise a work, or if they want to kindly express an opinion, or even if they want to childishly moan about it, they're entitled to, as this is a discussion forum.

And who are you to stop anyone doing that?

The lack of GVH3 does irritate me some what as it's not as if it's a massive task or something that would even involve that much time. Yet it's been years and likely will never be released. It's just a bit lazy. Not a crime but if a cereal company can't be arsed to produce the final toy in the set the kids have been collecting. It wont kill them if it isnt produced but it is a bit irritating.

"But music is subjective"

Dappy ain't music.

No one is having a 'close your eyes, lie down in a dark room and listen to this album' moment to Dappy. Seriously, no one. I can't tell you the exact difference between one and the other, but there's a line and it definitely divides Dappy from anyone who ever gave a shit about what they were doing. His behaviour outs him as an entitled, pandering dickweed. Fuck him, and fuck Brian for working with him.

(I understand that the definition of 'music' in this discussion is merely 'sounds that are sold to listeners', but to me it used to mean something different and more important. I apologise for unwittingly pushing that idea on this thread).

"That's undeniably good. Say what you will about the music, but the words are brilliantly written"

Brilliant?? Sorry, I deny that. Emphatically. He's a twit.

"And who are we to stop him doing that?"

No one's stopping them. That's the thing - I already said in this thread that the scenario really is a perfect one, because they can keep doing their misguided thing, and we can (and will) continue to comment on it, be our reaction positive or negative. And I do find the attitude of your post to be quite digestible, and I get what you're saying.

But the Dappy thing is like the 5ive thing, is like the Wyclif Jean thing, is like Robbie Williams at Live 8 thing. It's like letting a two year-old take his crayons to a Rembrandt and then saying it's a legitimate collaboration. I'm not denying the toddler his right to have a bash, or anyone's right to look at that and go 'AWWWWW, CUTE!' - but shit is shit. I have to live with that criteria when I make something, as do us all; why shouldn't Dappy or Brian?

I think QP have strategically done all of this in order to appeal to new fans. I mean, believe it or not, but young girls and guys are becoming fans of Queen and I think it's QP's way of giving these new fans at least something. I really do wish they would release some 70s concerts on DVD. I'm still waiting for Rainbow Theatre, Hammersmith Odeon, Hyde Park and Earl's Court on DVD. Those are some of my favourites and I just think they need to get a move on and release something new and different.

Yeah, they don't care about the people who already like the band's music, they just want to get new people and, from a business viewpoint, it's logical.