'Made in Heaven' timeline

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[b]david82 wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Walter White wrote:[/b]

What happened to "YEAH"? When was that recorded? Where?

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Hi, I'm sure that "Yeah" is from "White Man".
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I thought Yeah was from Action This Day.

I was just wondering if they have talked about how it sort of became from 3 songs to 10? Did they at first plan to make an EP with maybe only TMLWKY added, but sometime in 1994 decided to turn it into an album instead? Was there any alternative way to construct the album; did they consider any other demos or other Freddie solo songs?

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[b]david82 wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Walter White wrote:[/b]

What happened to "YEAH"? When was that recorded? Where?

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Hi, I'm sure that "Yeah" is from "White Man".
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I thought Yeah was from Action This Day.[/QUOTE]

Actually it's from Don't Try Suicide.

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I was just wondering if they have talked about how it sort of became from 3 songs to 10? Did they at first plan to make an EP with maybe only TMLWKY added, but sometime in 1994 decided to turn it into an album instead? Was there any alternative way to construct the album; did they consider any other demos or other Freddie solo songs?[/QUOTE]

They turned into full album at least at some point in 1993 ( well, planning-wise of course). There is a written statement by Roger ( I will post it if I find it somewhere.)

Just a minor thing... but is the "three,four" at the start of LML taken from the intro of "Innuendo"? It sounds more like Freddie in '90 compared to the rest of the track. Just always wondered!!!

Great topic! Great posts! Thx a lot!

I'd be surprised if the vocals for Mother Love weren't laid down a lot later than listed. Wasn't he recording the video for TATDOOL in April/May of 91? I think it's probably safe to say that if he was able to stand (albeit for short periods) and record a music video his ability to 'prop himself up on the desk' and record vocals probably went some way beyond that time.

I've always heard that Mother Love vocals were laid down sometime in October 1991.

There is a track sheet in existence with Mother Love dated May '91, Snackpot, and everyone in the band and connected with the band say that this is his last vocal session (I mean in May 91).

You know something, when you see These are the days in colour, you can clearly see the difficulty he had with recording that video, and it wouldn't surprise me if the week before, or the week after, he couldn't stand up and sing. When I watch These are the days, I actually don't feel sad, I feel thankful to him that he was dedicated enough to music to give us even the tracks that he gave us, because it's plain for all to see that Freddie had very little left to give physically at that time.

The other thing that is astounding, is the quality of the vocals on Mother Love and A Winter's Tale. You know, I've listened to this quite a lot now, and I hear an amazing strength in the vocal. It's not that this sounds like the voice of a dying man, no, not really. The control, the notes he sings, and the tone in his voice are all that of a wonderful amazing singer, and I think it's only because we KNOW that something was wrong that we hear it.

What I DO hear in it though, is, it's like he's already singing from the other side, it's like he's already passed away and singing back to us, but that's more about how he delivered the songs rather than the actual quality of the tone. I have a friend who is a professional vocal coach, and he knows pretty much the full technique of singing (as he should - he's a vocal coach) and he said about A Winter's Tale that he finds it amazing that Freddie managed to maintain that tone in his voice for all of these songs, and that the condition of the voice is amazing, and anyone trying to imitate him will run into very difficult territory (note - anyone trying to imitate him, not anyone trying to sing the songs, or even trying to sing the songs in the same key, not the same thing).

But we know stories of Freddie being fast-tracked through customs on a wheelchair on his way back from his final recording session. That must have been much later than the TATDOOL video, unless none of his final vocals were that good that they've never been used.

If Mother Love was the last thing he recorded that means he recorded nothing for 5 months before his death, which also makes a mockery of the 'worked until the end' claim. Unless he did work until the end but his vocals weren't considered of high enough standard to use

Years ago I read an interview in a German Magazine were Brian allegedly said that there were "other tracks but they were not used as they were not good"

Snackpot, this has been discussed quite extensively on other threads, and I think that the bottom line is that whatever happened, there's nothing more useable from that time. David Richards said A Winter's Tale was the last complete song, and Brian says Mother Love was the last vocal (or at least, the last time Freddie and Brian were in the studio together).

It could be that Freddie went in and did some keyboard parts, or made suggestions here and there, or it could be that he didn't work for 5 months after. Certainly being in the late stages of a terminal illness would make working difficult, and 'until the end' probably means 'until he could work no more'. He came off his meds two weeks before he died, which probably suggests that he was too sick to go on for a while before then. It might be that he tried to go in and correct a line here and there, and perhaps there is some of that on the album - we'll never know.

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not ranting, there is a contingent of people on here wanting to know exactly what the last thing Freddie recorded was, and all the claims point to Freddie's final vocals being done in May 1991. I would like to know what people really want to know here? I suspect that people are hoping that there is another complete song or two that hasn't been used yet, that we can petition the rest of the band to finish and release.

My suspicion is that there isn't any more, and that if there was anything else recorded after this time that was useable, it would have ended up on Made In Heaven.

There are probably some scraps of vocals that exist, like Self Made Man for instance, where there is a middle 8 sang by Freddie, but it's not a good song and can't really be used. There are quite possibly other things out there like that, on a tape somewhere, or perhaps things that have been deleted (if they ever deleted anything) from tapes that will never see the light of day.

Probably all of us here on Queenzone would LOVE it if there was an album's worth of high quality material, particularly a song or two from the last year of Freddie's life (where he was singing so beautifully it hurts almost), because we have a hunger to hear more from Freddie. I think we have to accept that this isn't going to happen.

Perhaps, Snackpot, this isn't your personal view, aim or question, and please, don't be offended by what I'm saying, I'm just wondering why the question keeps coming up. Not just from you but from so many people, and why, after it's been answered by several sources, the answer isn't accepted?

OK, you're right, it is highly possible there is a song or two recorded by Freddie after Mother Love. It is highly possible that they are sitting in a computer somewhere (wherever these things sit) and that they are not good enough for public consumption - they might be of use in a beatles type Anthology, where the band release a 40 second snippet here and there to let us hear exactly what was going on, etc, but then, perhaps they don't want us to hear it and that's their prerogative. If they admitted to these items existing then the demand for them to be released would rise in the fan community and that's probably not what they want.

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But we know stories of Freddie being fast-tracked through customs on a wheelchair on his way back from his final recording session.[/QUOTE]

AFAIK nobody has ever mentioned that the customs "incident" was Freddie returning from a recording session. It was just mentioned that Freddie was returning from Montreaux, what was he doing? Perhaps preparing for his final days. It is safe to assume that during this time Freddie had stopped all his medication. Even Jim Hutton's book mentions it.

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That must have been much later than the TATDOOL video, unless none of his final vocals were that good that they've never been used.
If Mother Love was the last thing he recorded that means he recorded nothing for 5 months before his death, which also makes a mockery of the 'worked until the end' claim. Unless he did work until the end but his vocals weren't considered of high enough standard to use[/QUOTE]

If you are going to take the "work until the end" so seriously, then you are going to be disappointed cause he didnt died while recording.
You may not know but among other painful stuff, people with aids suffer from cough, shortness of breath, fatigue, muscle aches, fever higher than 100 F (38 C) for several weeks among other stuff that can make impossible for anybody to sing. He didnt died while singing, so he never recorded "until the end" but he DID record as long as the body allowed it, which in my point of view, is the same thing as "work until the end"

Witness testimonies are far more unreliable than dates written on tapes, as the latter cannot have memory lapses, tell lies or sensationalise.

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Witness testimonies are far more unreliable than dates written on tapes, as the latter cannot have memory lapses, tell lies or sensationalise.[/QUOTE]

You´re right about this WHEN people are indeed lying or sensationalizing.
Other than that, i think it´s easy for people to remember if it was almost Summer or almost Winter. There are lots of things that happen between May and November that makes almost impossible for people to have memory lapses (an example would be Freddie´s birthday or summer vacations). There´s all sorts of references that people can use to know the exact "moment" when Freddie last recorded in the studio.
Right now i go with May as the last time Freddie visited the studio with the intention of recording.
Freddie was in Montreux in October 91, and it is said that he visited the studio. I believe that if he´d recorded something at that time, someone would remember it. Maybe he was just there to see David Richards, like Brian said he often did when he visited the studio throughout the years.

Bumped.