Queen and Adam Lambert Australia Dates Added 2014

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Why do you care? I was posting it for jondickens1 who may have not seen it before and because he thinks that Adam is unknown in the UK. It's my favorite link regarding the previous QAL collaborations!
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You post it over and over again...it's like your go to link when you don't have much to add for yourself It's coming across as spam. Are you hoping to change people's minds because of what is said in the link, or is it just more crappy promotion?

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[b]Bullet with Butterfly Wings wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]

Why do you care? I was posting it for jondickens1 who may have not seen it before and because he thinks that Adam is unknown in the UK. It's my favorite link regarding the previous QAL collaborations!
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You post it over and over again...it's like your go to link when you don't have much to add for yourself It's coming across as spam. Are you hoping to change people's minds because of what is said in the link, or is it just more crappy promotion?
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You post the same three things over and over again...it's like your go to whine when you don't have much to add for yourself It's coming across as spam. Are you hoping to change people's minds because of what is said in your whine, or is it just more crappy promotion?

P.S.
Pot meet Kettle

Queen zone will have to be promoted before this forum is affective in promoting Adam lambert
Lol
Hence The charge of promoting Adam is ludicrous
And this particular forum is set aside for the possible praise of Adam, so it should be no suprise the constant enthusiasm for him in here.
Anyone who is attacking praise of Adam in this forum should be told to stop.
Again I think a special forum for "Haters of anything"
Should be made, then all the negative stuff will be kept off ALL the other forums and kept in one PIT of HaTe
There is no point, Adam is touring with Queen and no one can do anything about that
All the conversations opposed to Adam touring with Queen end up attacking the people who support Adam with Queen and it ends up as attacks on individuals, which is wrong!
I support the creation of " THE HATERS FORUM"

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[b]Queenfansunite wrote: [/b] Queen zone will have to be promoted before this forum is affective in promoting Adam lambert
Lol
Hence The charge of promoting Adam is ludicrous
And this particular forum is set aside for the possible praise of Adam, so it should be no suprise the constant enthusiasm for him in here.
Anyone who is attacking praise of Adam in this forum should be told to stop.
Again I think a special forum for "Haters of anything"
Should be made, then all the negative stuff will be kept off ALL the other forums and kept in one PIT of HaTe
There is no point, Adam is touring with Queen and no one can do anything about that
All the conversations opposed to Adam touring with Queen end up attacking the people who support Adam with Queen and it ends up as attacks on individuals, which is wrong![/QUOTE]

While I agree in general, I don't think any particular sub-forum or thread is restricted to praise only.  People can be negative.  Icy's different in that she uses that negativity to attack posters, rather than the music or musician.  But I also think it's okay for people to make fools of themselves if that's their choice, so whatever.  She'd just better be able to take it in turn if she wants to keep dishing it out.  She's pretty one-note so it's not exactly creative fun, but it's a mild form of entertainment regardless.

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[b]Queenfansunite wrote: [/b] Queen zone will have to be promoted before this forum is affective in promoting Adam lambert
Lol
Hence The charge of promoting Adam is ludicrous
And this particular forum is set aside for the possible praise of Adam, so it should be no suprise the constant enthusiasm for him in here.
Anyone who is attacking praise of Adam in this forum should be told to stop.
Again I think a special forum for "Haters of anything"
Should be made, then all the negative stuff will be kept off ALL the other forums and kept in one PIT of HaTe
There is no point, Adam is touring with Queen and no one can do anything about that
All the conversations opposed to Adam touring with Queen end up attacking the people who support Adam with Queen and it ends up as attacks on individuals, which is wrong![/QUOTE]

While I agree in general, I don't think any particular sub-forum or thread is restricted to praise only.  People can be negative.  Icy's different in that she uses that negativity to attack posters, rather than the music or musician.  But I also think it's okay for people to make fools of themselves if that's their choice, so whatever.  She'd just better be able to take it in turn if she wants to keep dishing it out.  She's pretty one-note so it's not exactly creative fun, but it's a mild form of entertainment regardless.[/QUOTE]

While it may be entertaining to see such bickering, I think it is an unhealthy environment and is not conducive to worthwhile debate .
It is because of the tendency for people in here to launch into personal attacks on fellow posters, instead of attacking a queen project, that the creation of a sub forum for the posting of opposition and general hate of anything in the queen universe
Would be better. Anything that enables personal attacks of the vicious nasty cruel kind that I have read here, is not good for any forum. And surely such personal attacks are already against queen zone rules?
To continue in this way makes this forum look REDICULOUS and it will not be seen by the general public as a serious forum dedicated to the best band in the world.

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[b]Queenfansunite wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]taptap wrote:[/b]

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[b]Queenfansunite wrote: [/b] Queen zone will have to be promoted before this forum is affective in promoting Adam lambert
Lol
Hence The charge of promoting Adam is ludicrous
And this particular forum is set aside for the possible praise of Adam, so it should be no suprise the constant enthusiasm for him in here.
Anyone who is attacking praise of Adam in this forum should be told to stop.
Again I think a special forum for "Haters of anything"
Should be made, then all the negative stuff will be kept off ALL the other forums and kept in one PIT of HaTe
There is no point, Adam is touring with Queen and no one can do anything about that
All the conversations opposed to Adam touring with Queen end up attacking the people who support Adam with Queen and it ends up as attacks on individuals, which is wrong![/QUOTE]

While I agree in general, I don't think any particular sub-forum or thread is restricted to praise only.  People can be negative.  Icy's different in that she uses that negativity to attack posters, rather than the music or musician.  But I also think it's okay for people to make fools of themselves if that's their choice, so whatever.  She'd just better be able to take it in turn if she wants to keep dishing it out.  She's pretty one-note so it's not exactly creative fun, but it's a mild form of entertainment regardless.[/QUOTE]

While it may be entertaining to see such bickering, I think it is an unhealthy environment and is not conducive to worthwhile debate .
It is because of the tendency for people in here to launch into personal attacks on fellow posters, instead of attacking a queen project, that the creation of a sub forum for the posting of opposition and general hate of anything in the queen universe
Would be better. Anything that enables personal attacks of the vicious nasty cruel kind that I have read here, is not good for any forum. And surely such personal attacks are already against queen zone rules?
To continue in this way makes this forum look REDICULOUS and it will not be seen by the general public as a serious forum dedicated to the best band in the world.[/QUOTE]

So far as I can see there are not too many rules (or moderation) on this forum.  I do agree that there's a BIG difference between denigrating an act/artist/project and denigrating the people on the forum.  The first should always be allowed, and the second never.  But since there are few rules or moderation here, some posters take out their frustration on the Q+ projects on the fans who are in favor of them.  And some do it just because that's the way they roll.  It would be nice if people could be civil, but let's face it - that isn't going to happen on internet sites where people can be anonymous.  The best you can hope for is that the sad people who dog others display their true colors.  I'm fine with helping to expose those who persist in their trolling ways.

I do agree that the anti Queen stuff on Queen forums really would lead a casual visitor to wonder if there were really Queen fans here, or simply others trolling Queen fans.  It sort of reminds me of the VFTW forum (vote for the worst).  Now those were very sad people.

Tap tap

The thing is, this is how the whole forum has been, it is not just the event of Adam lambert touring with Queen this year. I n general the forum is full of harassment and attacks on posters.
And It is my opinion that those of us who want a forum that allows everyone to speak freely without attack false accusation and bullying , we should make a stand against this group who try to rule the roost here and because they shout the loudest have the ear of the moderators and are invariably effective in the gang stalking and bullying of many people here, and have been doing so over the years.

The general attitude of this gang is they think they can get away with anything and they are right because they do and have.

It is time this forum was run against the grain of those who want to run it as a place to bully people.
And it is time the majority speak out against this cancerous minority.
I have never witnessed these bullies ever being banned for their crimes, but many of their victims have been banned, the injustice MUST stop!
My question tap tap
Is why are the bullies NEVER banned?
The evidence of what they do is again and again covered up.
For instance, in liger what he did was covered up yet again! Even by queen fan who edited his capture of what he said
It is As it always has been in the past.
And his excuses of stress are enough?
Yet again.
It is not good enough to do what he does and then blame stress.

For it is a repeat pattern. I was banned for posting my biopic work, and when I fell into the trap of replying to the out right hatred and bullying by opposing it , I end up banned, why?
They trolled my posts, like they are trolling yours and sweet Caroline's posts. Yet they get away with it?
It is not right at all, it's shows a dedicated corruption amongst the moderators of the forum.
For again and again they side with proven bullies.

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[b]Queenfansunite wrote: [/b] Tap tap

The thing is, this is how the whole forum has been, it is not just the event of Adam lambert touring with Queen this year. I n general the forum is full of harassment and attacks on posters.
And It is my opinion that those of us who want a forum that allows everyone to speak freely without attack false accusation and bullying , we should make a stand against this group who try to rule the roost here and because they shout the loudest have the ear of the moderators and are invariably effective in the gang stalking and bullying of many people here, and have been doing so over the years.

The general attitude of this gang is they think they can get away with anything and they are right because they do and have.

It is time this forum was run against the grain of those who want to run it as a place to bully people.
And it is time the majority speak out against this cancerous minority.[/QUOTE]

I do agree that a sort of bullying mentality seems very prevalent both here and at QueenOnline, and I've often wondered what the common element is - I mean it can't simply be Queen fans, right?  There's definitely a common culture (I lurk at QOL and post at QZ, but generally expect the same thing).  Maybe it's a generational thing, or maybe it's that these sites have winnowed down and consolidated to the most hardcore, fundamental fans, which I understand, because even as a new artist, Lambert has his share of those already.  I do find it a bit odd, but cultures do develop at forums that are consistent with early members, history, entitlement, etc.

Of course all of that is simply an artificial construct that can be changed if a) enough members want change, and b) mods aren't part of the systemic problem (which I believe has been an issue at QOL overall).  If B exists, you're not likely to get enough new members to provide a counter-balance to the culture and eventually the forum becomes less and less representative of the full marketplace and the forum begins to become irrelevant (sort of the way American Idol viewers and voters are no longer representative of the mainstream music buying market).  And let's face it, people don't like change, especially as they get older, and the hardcore Queen fans are probably in that category on average.  Those that were here early on and a part of the formation of the current culture generally either like or are at least complacent about it.  Those that don't like it either lurk or leave - the pattern is the same everywhere.  People who don't like conflict keep quiet, people who like conflict stir the pot, and people who want fairness and peace generally try to play the peacekeepers (unfortunately often with little impact, just like in real life).

For full disclosure, if you use a scale of 1-10, with 1 being lurkers who hate conflict, and 10 being trolls who instigate it, with active peacemakers at 5, I'd put myself at 7.5.  I love debate, am not afraid of conflict, and don't back down to bullies, which no doubt makes me as aggressive as the trolls in many eyes.

I find the psychology of it interesting, but you're right, there's certainly a dysfunctional element to it that makes it unhealthy overall.  If these two places were the only source of QAL news and discussion I'd be worried, but there are so many Adam sites where QAL discussion is abundant.  I enjoy the Queen sites because I'm interested in their perspective on the QAL projects.  Many hardcore fans don't like it, but more than enough either do like it or are okay enough with it to put their money into tickets.  As long as Brian, Roger, and Adam are getting a big payday out of it, I'm not going to argue about who is or should be a fan.  That will sort itself out in the marketplace.

ETA for your edit:
I don't know the answer, because the internet is the wild west right now.  Some forums are based in places where bullying is carefully watched, others not at all.  The mods tend to mod based on those things, in balance with what their members want.  I do know that trolls are easy to spot, and the best advice I have is to not rise to their bait.  By which I don't mean do not engage them or others, just be aware of who's who, and engage accordingly.  My solution to not letting trolls and bullies get away with their behavior is to call them on it.  I'm in the 'Have you no shame, Senator McCarthy' camp on that one.  And for the record I'm anxiously awaiting just such a moment for the Tea Party fundies!

Yes I am glad to see you agree that it is the fault of the moderators also, they are complicit, it irks me to see self righteous posts by them as they are obviously talking the talk of hypocrites, pretending they are actually concerned with rule things like no toleration of bullying but are not , as they have decided to show favour to the long term members who are a bunch of bullies.
It is not about stirring conflict either, because fundamentally if you post a point of view or idea that is well formed and strong, you get shut down by the bullies. I have no desire for any kind of conflict at all, and that is why I seek remedies such as a Haters Sub forum.
that maybe would solve the conflicts, IF people stopped attacking each other in general that is.

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[b]Queenfansunite wrote: [/b] Yes I am glad to see you agree that it is the fault of the moderators also, they are complicit, it irks me to see self righteous posts by them as they are obviously talking the talk, but have decided to show favour to the long term members who are a bunch of bullies.[/QUOTE]

I definitely agree that happens on QOL, but have not seen that that's the case at QZ.  If the mods are going to encourage bullies and bring the hammer down on the bullied, there's no point in being active on that forum, which is why I lurk only at QOL, on the off chance that I'll see something new there.  For what it's worth, the announcements I see almost always show up at the Lambert sites as quickly as or before QOL, so it doesn't much matter.  I go to both because I enjoy diversity of people and opinion.  That doesn't apply to bullies, of course, who are beyond the pale for the way I was raised.

Tap tap , how can you say there is no favour shown to bullies here by the mods?
Did you see what inuliger managed to get away with saying to sweet Caroline,?
and as for icy she is constantly allowed to attack anything you post in this Adam lambert forum, like a vicious Harpy, she swoops down on all your posts as if you have no right to say anything, now if that is not evidence that the mods here allow bullies to thrive, I do not know what kind of evidence you need.
I can Attest to it
I am A victim of it myself, there is mod corruption here on queen zone as well as on the queen online forum. And another thing it is bad for Queen!

And there is the continued no banning of bullies like inuliger, that shows also there is a promotion of bullying , if your the right person you don't get banned and can get away with murder.
My posts were about the biopic, his posts were about attacking a forum member for NO reason but to bolster the harpy, attacking a grandmother!
He gets away with it because he feels tired!!???
Lol


As well as myself being banned before for posting on a subject the gang do not like to be mentioned in this forum, and their clever escalation of conflicts, I have seen others banned here, after a similar gang attack on one person, who then falls for answering the bullies back and ends up banned, while the bullies, the gang remain intact, even more powerful!

Anyway, my intention is for this bullying to be eradicated here, I see no reason why the mods should allow it to continue as it has.
That is why is suggest the HaTERS forum idea.
I have nothing against these people in general, they can remain here for all i care, but they should not be allowed to continue their bullying, something must be done, it is not right to allow it to continue.

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[b]Queenfansunite wrote: [/b] Tap tap , how can you say there is no favour shown to bullies here by the mods?
Did you see what inuliger managed to get away with saying to sweet Caroline,?
and as for icy she is constantly allowed to attack anything you post in this Adam lambert forum, like a Gary she swoops on all your posts as if you have no right to say anything, now if that is not evidence that the mods here allow bullies to thrive, I do not know what kind if evidence you need.
I can Attest to it
I am A victim of it myself, there is mod corruption here on queen as well as on the queen online forum.

And there is the continued no banning of bullies like inuliger, that shows also there is a promotion of bullying , if your the right person you don't get banned and can get away with murder.
My posts were about the biopic, his posts were about attacking members a grandmother!
As well as myself being banned before for posting on a subject the gang do not like to be in this forum, and their clever escalation of conflicts, I have seen others banned here, after a similar gang attack on one person, who then falls for answering the bullies back and ends up banned, while the bullies, the gang remain intact, even more powerful![/QUOTE]

Are you talking about being banned here, at QZ?  Because yes, of course I've seen some very blatant attacks on posters personally, but I get the sense the exact same shit could be pulled on the old-timers and the mods would let it ride - that's what I mean about it being unmoderated.  It usually means more combativeness or more passion, but can come from all sides, as opposed to QOL, where only the bullies are condoned while the Lambert fans are penalized.  That's why I lurk there - if the mods are part of the problem, there really is nothing you can do.  When the mods leave the field open you have a few choices: a) ignore the bullies, b) call the bullies on their bullshit, or c) leave.  The part where the mods are changed is I suppose an option on paper, but not really in practice.  Those places, like QOL, are toxic because the problem is systemic.  They lose members and become irrelevant, so there is a penalty that is accruing all along, even if it's not instantaneous.

As for bullies following people around the net, I have to say that they do that to people that they see as victims.  Bullies need victims, plain and simple.  If mods don't protect the bullied from bullies, then the bullied or their friends have to do it.  Not everyone is comfortable with this form of confrontation, though.  Bullies are, clearly, but the bullied often are not - which is why they get bullied.  They don't expect people to act that way, and often try to take them seriously, rather than simply realizing that bullies are angry people who hide behind online anonymity to get their aggressions out in a way that's not allowed in real life.  I sympathize with anyone bullied, and will always stand up for them, but I can tell you that I personally am not bullied because I don't allow it.  Bullies can only get away with things when you're silent, either through force (corrupted modding) or by consent.  The worst thing you can do is try to engage with a known bully on a serious topic - that's just a hook to draw you in for what they really crave - a confrontation where they can beat someone down to get their rage out.

eta for your edit, re the haters sub-forum.  While it's a good idea in general, with little to no modding it wouldn't work.  Icy doesn't just want to complain about QAL (in fact she never discusses QAL at all).  She wants to bitch at and insult SC.  She won't put her bitch posts in a wank forum because she's like a child who needs attention - she'll go straight to the source.  What's the point of wanking without a subject to read it, as no doubt SC or you wouldn't go to said forum.  They'd never be restricted to such a place.  I do belong to a Lambert forum where there is a bert and a wank post, and the wank post has more stuff than the bert, because it's human nature.  People are drama llamas.

ETA: One additional comment.  Sometimes grassroots change does happen.  For every bully on a forum, there are many other lurkers who are appalled and do not approve.  We saw a good example of that last week, when one spoke up.  It's the 'Have you no shame' response bullies will eventually elicit when they go too far.  I wouldn't make the mistake in assuming that just because there are a few vocal bullies on a forum that everyone else is like that.  In my experience, most people are decent, even if they don't like getting embroiled in controversy.  The more extreme bullies get, the more likely others will step up to complain.  That's the flip-side/good side of human nature.

I refer to the gang stalking of posters here on queen zone forums
Bullying you and sweet Caroline and harassing you both for everything you post
Like icy stalks you two here

Maybe you think I am the exception to the rule then, but I have seen others banned unjustly, but one thing is certain, I know the bullies are never banned.
Anyway enough is enough
If the mods can ban me for wanting to post about the biopic, why can't they be bothered to ban people for bullying.?
Or at least tell them to stop bullying.
I am awaiting Brian May's
" no to bullying of humans on his Own and other Queen Forums campaign "
Bullying is not a alternative lifestyle choice, some may find it funny but it's wrong!

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[b]Queenfansunite wrote: [/b] I refer to the gang stalking of posters here on queen zone forums
Bullying you and sweet Caroline and harassing you both for everything you post
Like icy stalks you two here

Maybe you think I am the exception to the rule then, but I have seen others banned unjustly, but one thing is certain, I know the bullies are never banned.
Anyway enough is enough
If the mods can ban me for wanting to post about the biopic, why can't they be bothered to ban people for bullying.?
Or at least tell them to stop bullying.
I am awaiting Brian May's
" no to bullying of humans on his own queen forums campaign "[/QUOTE]

Brian May is not universally admired by some, as you've probably noticed.  Some Queen fans question his judgement - in continuing to perform as Queen without Freddie or John, in choosing their collaborating frontmen (the same happened to PR as to AL - it's just AL's moment in the spotlight now).  Forums registered in the UK are strictly regulated by anti-hate speech and bulling legislation, though, which is why generally both the mods and posters are wary of crossing certain lines.  It happens though, and always will. That's when you see some guy crying as he's arrested at a family dinner somewhere in Leeds or something.

The internet really does fool people into thinking they can get away with anything.  But let's be fair - bullying a child to the point where she commits suicide is a vastly different thing than bullying a fervent fan about their favorite artist.  Lambert would likely be the first person to say no one should ever take that very seriously.  After all, QAL is going on, and so far, from sales alone, looks hugely successful.  Who cares who doesn't like them?  Only those that buy a ticket, album, merch, etc. matter in the economic scheme of things.  There will always be complainers, but they have no influence.  Brian and Roger have made it plain that they'll do what they want, and that's pretty much that.  The rest of us may as well just sit back and enjoy (or not) as the case may be.

ETA: That said, I will point out that I have seen at least one example (maybe more than one) of someone who followed SC to her facebook and posted a private picture here along with her real name using a corruption of her user name here, so that it looked as though she'd done it herself.  The mods rightly deleted that post.  Hopefully the poster was banned.  That's the sort of thing that can get someone in very hot water depending on their country's legislation on stalking.  That's what I mean by crossing the line, and those things should ALWAYS be brought to someone's attention who can actually do something about it.