Freddie Mercury = Queen Engine

I dont mean that Queen was only Freddies effort ,i mean that Freddie was majority talent of Queen .
Ask someone on street what do you think when you hear Queen
Most of people will say Freddie Mercury ,Did you ever saw any concert of Queen with Freddie ,how he was singing ,how he danced ,what personal contact he had with audience.
For me Freddie Mercury was the best singer of all times ,listening to Queen will never be boring for me ,and you all says that he wasnt the most important member in Queen.
This is ridicilous for me.

Did you ever see a solo concert from Brian or Roger? I think they are both great Showmen too and get into touch with the audience a lot. I saw Brian in 93 and 98 and I think he has been the best 'host' I ever got to enjoy. It is obvious to me that Brian and Roger stepped aside to let Freddie be the Frontman on stage.

Queen did not release too many Songs after Freddie passed away. But if you take a look at the records Brian and Roger did, there are many Songs which could be great if they would have been a Queen effort. I enjoy many of the Brian and Roger stuff a lot more that Mr. Bad Guy. Barcelona is a different Story, as Mike Moran did a lot in this one.

A car without an engine can drive? How on Earth can you drive a car without an engine? By tying it to a horse? I think you mean a car which won't start can start after it is pushed. Or a car with a bad clutch.

[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]MercuryVenus wrote:[/b]

Car without engine is totally damaged ,cannot even drive slow ,[/QUOTE]

A car without an engine can drive if somebody/something gives it the initial push.

Brian and Roger compare to Freddie appearance on stage is like compare Fiat 126p to BMW M5 ,theres no even comparision ,i bet you joke or just kidding.This is ridicilous what youve said.
Freddie had a voice of an angel and appearance of an legend which he is,He is a legend and on queen forum im reading that Brian and Roger have equal appearance - good joke.
They both were always in Freddie shadow no because of they wanted him to be leader ,he was born to be leader and he was.

[QUOTE] [b]MercuryVenus wrote:[/b]

I dont mean that Queen was only Freddies effort ,i mean that Freddie was majority talent of Queen .
Ask someone on street what do you think when you hear Queen
Most of people will say Freddie Mercury ,Did you ever saw any concert of Queen with Freddie ,how he was singing ,how he danced ,what personal contact he had with audience.
For me Freddie Mercury was the best singer of all times ,listening to Queen will never be boring for me ,and you all says that he wasnt the most important member in Queen.
This is ridicilous for me.[/QUOTE]



yes ok Freddie was the engine. He was Queen 100%. Brian, John and Roger were not needed. And Mr. Bad Guy was better than any Queen album.

[QUOTE] [b]TomP63 wrote:[/b]

However is was once billed Roger Taylor and Queen.[/QUOTE]

That's "the legendary drummer of Cornwall ROGER TAYLOR and Queen" to you ;)

[QUOTE] [b]FlorianS wrote:[/b]

Well, how many Hits did the Freddie-Engine create after 1980 Crazy Little Thing Called Love?
If you take a look at their Hits after that it's not too much of Freddie.
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^ bang on.

Mercury was their primary creative force in the 70s, but the others picked up the slack in the 80s when his interests led him elsewhere..

Very often the thing that makes an artist great is also their greatest demon. If the other three guys weren't great writers Queen would've split after Hot Space or The Works, guaranteed.

[QUOTE] [b]MercuryVenus wrote:[/b]

Ask someone on street what do you think when you hear Queen
Most of people will say Freddie Mercury[/QUOTE]

Right, because the man on the street always knows what he's talking about..

Some fan you are, relying on the average schmuck's opinion rather than actual analysis of the situation.

You are nothing more than a sycophantic Freddie fan, not a Queen fan.

Enjoy listening to Mr Bad Guy if you think Freddie was so far above the others..

Bob, thank you for the fill in for the gap I left....


Tom

MercuryVenus wrote Im listening often to Pink Floyd my favourite band ever and i know that theres the same situation ,Pink Floyd without Roger Waters and David Gilmour doesn't exist.

What the hell do you mean by that..??? I myself is new to music and have only just got into Pink Floyd as in a year or two now, but I have very quickly realised that pink floyd is far more than just RW and DG! Hey Nick Mason may not be the most prolific but has contributed to some important parts... esp in the three songs in one of the greatest albums in the world Dark Side of the Moon... RIchard Wright.... Dont get me started on the most underrated member of Pink Floyd... Pink floyd would never have sounded like pink floyd without the lavishings of Richards amazing hammond,organ,keyboard and piano skills not to mention his vocal and songwriting input to the songs, just got to listen to the wall when he all but got fired by Roger and the final cut when he was well and truly out of the band to know what is missing, and last and certainly not least...... The one the only and painfully almost all but unknown to many pink floyd fans and forgotten on radio airtime, SYD BARRETT the guy who not only started the band and gave it the name he also wrote a handful of what was Pink Floyd's only true single hits and every song barr one on that first album and.... help create that psychedelic rock genre, AND he also brought DG to the band before his demise from the band. SO Pink Floyd and their success a lot like Queen would have never been without 1/4 input from each member of the band.

Queen would never be Queen without Rogers distinct drumming and A Kinda Magic/Radio Ga Ga, John and his very unique bass playing those delicious delicate bass runs on almost every album and the writer of Queens biggest hit ABTD, and of course Brian and his handmade Guitar and the hit We Will Rock you (fuck how many guitarist cans say they wrote a hit with a handmade guitar) a guitar sound that is almost instantly recognised from anyone as Queen. Without those three members, Queen would never have been Queen... Remember its all in the brain all of these ideas and inputs from a human being.

By the way. "Queen" Freddie may have came up with the name and the logo, and essentially started the Queen as we know it and he may have been the lead singer but Roger and Brian was already a band that Freddie technically joined and John joining two odd years later was the true professional start of Queen as the complete band

And one more thing. Queen is a human band, how would you feel and cope if your best friend a brother not in blood had passed away from the most painfully imaginable disease ever, a four year death sentence. I don't exactly think that you would just come bouncing back so happy and cheerful and write up a whole lot of albums! fuck that man they as in John, Roger and Brian suffered terribly.. in particular Brian who at the same time dealt with a marriage break up with kids and a dead father who he held so dearly to his heart and John who never really got over his fathers death at a young age to then see this happen and has never really came back from. these guys are delicate and sensitive people too but I guess you knowing everything to know about Queen, a band that wrote heartfelt songs such as Love of my life Freddies song to his only true love, These are the Days of our lives A song Roger wrote about Freddie, you're my best Friend a song John wrote about how he felt about his wife and sail away sweet sister a song Brian wrote about a sister he never had or in that matter a siblings. You should have known about that maybe?

For me, Freddie was always the main thing about Queen. As an example, Queens two biggest stand out achievements would arguably be Bohemian Rhapsody and Live Aid. Both of which were mainly Freddie's doing. Of course, the other members played their part in both of those achievements, and I'm in no way shape or form trying to take anything away from the other members (not that I could), and the other members played brilliantly throughout their careers. Brian May being the second most recognisable out of them all on the ear, and in my view, the second down the line in terms of song-writing. Yes, Brian came up with 39, We Will Rock You, Hammer to Fall etc. But could Brian have come up Killer Queen, We Are the Champions and Bo Rhap? That stuff was Freddie, and as much as a cliche it is to say it - he was larger than life, on stage and in voice certainly, and he had the capability of being so as a songwriter, and often was. It was always about Freddie when you watched them live, or, even if you heard them all, it was always Freddie you mainly had your eyes on, seeing what the'd get up to next - because he was the true showman.
Still, the other members were (and are) brilliant songwriters and musicians. It's just that despite Freddie saying he was only 25% of the band, to me he was much more than that. Of course I get HOW he was 25% of the band, but it's mostly Freddie you think of when you think of Queen. Or it is for me anyway. Even the name of the group - Queen. Only Freddie would'd had the balls and the humour to put that name forward.
Another way of looking at it... since Freddie died, despite Freddie's song-writing slowly down through the 80s and (early 90s), the band ceased to exist in the same way thereafter. The best thing they've come up with since Freddie's death is Made in Heaven (and that's only because Freddie's voice is on it). Aside from that, it's as if they'd become their own tribute act in a sense. (The Cosmos Rocks wasn't truly anything worth writing home about was it? - Mind you, that's minus Deacon too).

I'm not just a Freddie fan either. I'm a fan of them all, individually, and as a unit. I've followed Brian and Roger's careers over the last 23 years, bought their albums etc. It's just I'm more of a Freddie fan than the other members. I also prefer his solo material to Brian's or Rogers, Barcelona in particular. Mind you, Brian's Back to the Light's tugging at my brain as I say that. But yeah, Freddie's always been the biggest star out of them all for me. The others seemed more like the type of people you could meet in every day life, Freddie seemed much more of a rarity and a one off. I always liked his humour too.

Anyway, that's my opinion on the matter. Be it right or wrong.

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[b]Day dop wrote: [/b] For me, Freddie was always the main thing about Queen. As an example, Queens two biggest stand out achievements would arguably be Bohemian Rhapsody and Live Aid. Both of which were mainly Freddie's doing. Of course, the other members played their part in both of those achievements, and I'm in no way shape or form trying to take anything away from the other members (not that I could), and the other members played brilliantly throughout their careers. Brian May being the second most recognisable out of them all on the ear, and in my view, the second down the line in terms of song-writing. Yes, Brian came up with 39, We Will Rock You, Hammer to Fall etc. But could Brian have come up Killer Queen, We Are the Champions and Bo Rhap? That stuff was Freddie, and as much as a cliche it is to say it - he was larger than life, on stage and in voice certainly, and he had the capability of being so as a songwriter, and often was. It was always about Freddie when you watched them live, or, even if you heard them all, it was always Freddie you mainly had your eyes on, seeing what the'd get up to next - because he was the true showman.
Still, the other members were (and are) brilliant songwriters and musicians. It's just that despite Freddie saying he was only 25% of the band, to me he was much more than that. Of course I get HOW he was 25% of the band, but it's mostly Freddie you think of when you think of Queen. Or it is for me anyway. Even the name of the group - Queen. Only Freddie would'd had the balls and the humour to put that name forward.
Another way of looking at it... since Freddie died, despite Freddie's song-writing slowly down through the 80s and (early 90s), the band ceased to exist in the same way thereafter. The best thing they've come up with since Freddie's death is Made in Heaven (and that's only because Freddie's voice is on it). Aside from that, it's as if they'd become their own tribute act in a sense. (The Cosmos Rocks wasn't truly anything worth writing home about was it? - Mind you, that's minus Deacon too).

Anyway, that's my opinion on the matter. Be it right or wrong. [/QUOTE]

I think Freddie used the 25% as a psycological and comunication gimmick. Like saying look i am just a quarter of this band and see how far i can take it, providing a 110% resault. The 25% was a psycological starting point to walk the extra miles he always did.
Also it was clever and polite to the other members. He knew he had created a beast and had to tone it down with statments like that to avoid friction or even jelusy. Its not easy to share the stage with perhaps the greatest showman ever lived.
 I am shure the other three provided the platform for him to shine but sometimes his charisma was so explosive that could overshadow the Queen concept. So every time he made a step forward he toned it down with a step back. Thats perhaps how the balance was achieved for 20 years.
Freddie was in a way a DIVA and a "man of the gang" the same time. Quite rare to find these qualities and to that extent  in the same person.

[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]MercuryVenus wrote:[/b]

Car without engine is totally damaged ,cannot even drive slow ,[/QUOTE]

A car without an engine can drive if somebody/something gives it the initial push.

[QUOTE]in my opinion the same situation is with Queen band ,without Freddie Queen doesnt exist ,i can explain in few words why.[/QUOTE]

You forgot John Deacon. And all the previous bass & keyboard players. They all together formed the band, you know, and all of them were important for the final "product".

[QUOTE]Queen havent released any good song since Freddie died in 1991.[/QUOTE]

I can't agree. I sort of like Made In Heaven and Only the good die young.

[QUOTE]Freddie composed the most popular and the best songs with Queen when he was member of that band ,you all may say that other members of queen was also good and they composed also other great songs ,i agree with this but Freddie influence was irreplaceable ,[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure, "Most popular" and "best" are very subjective terms. From my memory I can remember Rhapsody, Champions and STL to be popular. At least in my country, I know that in some countries stuff like Play The Game and Crazy Little Thing were popular too. But all of them wrote hits and all of them wrote great songs (that's of course not the same thing).

[QUOTE]He created this band and wrote more than 50% songs.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure. Does joining a band which needs a new singer and changing the name = creating the band? And I didn't count if he wrote more than 50% of their songs, and I'm too lazy to do so now, so I'll trust you on this one.

[QUOTE]If there was no Freddie living on this earth you might never heard about Queen i swear and i bet.[/QUOTE]

Well probably true. Without Freddie they would probably end up being just one of hundreds of pub bands.

[QUOTE]Freddie Mercury was individual ,amazing person with one of the best voices ever[/QUOTE]

I didn't know him personally but from his interviews he doesn't seem like an amazing person to me. More like ... well some things are better left unsaid :-)

[QUOTE]I also like Brian May know he is great ,awesome guitarist ,Roger is quite good drummer and John Deacon is very good basist but they all are nothing compare to Freddies talent ,skills as a composer.
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I think the past tense would be more appropriate. Brian WAS a great guitarist, Roger WAS a "quite good" drummer and John Deacon WAS a very good bassist. The fact that Brian and Roger got so incredibly weak (at least on their last tour they were really painful to watch) was one of the 2 reasons why I'm not interested in this year's Q+AL tour.

Regarding Freddie's talent I alway say - for each "Bohemian Rhapsody" there is a "Body Language" in his catalogue.[/QUOTE]

MercuryVenus just got 'Sebastianed'!