This is sooo saaad (aka another Queen+Lambert-bashing thread)
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Daniel Nester · Member since
Is it a correct general statement to say the purists-bashers-complainers are predominantly Americans?
Sunshine · Member since
No I'm not American and I also dislike the show and set up with Adam.
He might be a technical good singer but he lacks authority to sing these songs. There is very less emotion in his singing and I dislike the color of his voice. That is unfortunate for him.
Then Roger is playing also very static and undynamic. It's not comfortable to watch and listen to. Brian does a solid job but nothing outstanding.
Age is not the thing here. It is a matter of preparation and fitness.
Look at Aerosmith. Same age and the band is tight a fuck at the moment. Joey Kramer (drummer) is performing like 20 years ago. No difference. In fact the whole band is fitter than they have been in the last 15 years. Really amazing.
Daniel Nester · Member since
Maybe the exception that proves the rule?
Day dop · Member since
The Rolling Stones might be another example (not fitter than they were, but still pulling off the numbers as they used to).
philip storey · Member since
And the Rolling Stones have how many backing musicians during their shows ? My final point today is this.This could well be the last time Brian and Roger do anything together and Queen Forever will no doubt be their last album apart from compilations and the odd live album.So when its all over and finished with and Brian puts the Red Special away and Roger throws his sticks into the crowd for the last time .What will we do ?I have been a Queen fan for 37 years ,have spent thousands on LPS,Cassetes,CDS,Tours,Merchandise and i have loved every minute of it and i want to say a big thank you to Brian and Roger for keeping it going a few more years. For sure not everything has been perfect ,but what in life is.
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]philip storey wrote:[/b]
And the Rolling Stones have how many backing musicians during their shows ?[/QUOTE]
My main point was about drummers (though I far from made that apparent, admittedly), baring in mind it's been mentioned that songs have most likely been slowed down for Roger - otherwise I'd have mentioned Black Sabbath, but Bill Ward wasn't included in the last tour so I couldn't include them.
No one replaces Charlie Watts do they?
(And he's 73)
I'm alright with May and Taylor touring, I see it as a good thing (as well as being able to see why a lot of Queen fans don't like it). It's an enjoyable show, a good night out. But I'm not going to make out Lambert's something he's not just to please his fans.
john bodega · Member since
Whinging about the mix is a bridge too far I'm afraid. No doubt it's a soundboard jobby, to be uploaded so promptly.
I have no doubt that these shows would sound better in person. Not only is there the crowd-hysteria factor, but also - music is just fucking better when it's loud. When I saw the Who about 5 years ago, Roger sounded 30 again to my ears. Then I took the video home and listened to it, and he sounded like an old geezer - sounded great, but by no means a 30 year old.
I'm still not entirely sure what that's about. My personal experience is that at a proper volume, the correct frequencies are exciting the appropriate bits of the listening center in my brain and it's just magic. Even a shitty gig can sound splendid if you're in a big group of people who are getting off on it, and the thing is cranked loud.
Lambert is pretty underwhelming in the cold light of day. I'd like to hear him redlining it a bit more often, as in some of his Idol performances. Brian promised me 'live and dangerous', and this doesn't qualify. I'm beyond happy to see Brian and Roger playing again, but at heart this tour looks as cruisy as the Paul Rodgers one. Fine, if you want to see a competent arena show set to your favourite music and with some big staging. I'd probably go to a show if it were a little more convenient.
But yeah. I dunno. So much hyperbole around. Never gets any easier to read.
SkyeTV · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]philip storey wrote:[/b]
This could well be the last time Brian and Roger do anything together....when it's all over and finished with and Brian puts the Red Special away, and Roger throws his sticks into the crowd for the last time, what will we do ?
I have been a Queen fan for 37 years,have spent thousands on LPs, cassettes,CDs,tours and merchandise, and I have loved every minute of it. I want to say a big thank you to Brian and Roger for keeping it going a few more years. For sure not everything has been perfect, but what in life is?.[/QUOTE]
Beautiful.
cmsdrums · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sunshine wrote:[/b]
No I'm not American and I also dislike the show and set up with Adam.
He might be a technical good singer but he lacks authority to sing these songs. There is very less emotion in his singing and I dislike the color of his voice. That is unfortunate for him.
Then Roger is playing also very static and undynamic. It's not comfortable to watch and listen to. Brian does a solid job but nothing outstanding.
Age is not the thing here. It is a matter of preparation and fitness.
Look at Aerosmith. Same age and the band is tight a fuck at the moment. Joey Kramer (drummer) is performing like 20 years ago. No difference. In fact the whole band is fitter than they have been in the last 15 years. Really amazing. [/QUOTE]
Aerosmith are a perfect example - and Joey Kramer vs RT - of how the 20 year gap in touring has really showed within the last few years on Roger, and to a lesser extent, Brian. Considering Queen were never really a band into heavy drug use in their prime like Aerosmith, Roger hasn't really got that excuse either!
'Match fitness' is really what it's about, and sadly it's very lacking.
kdj2hot · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Sunshine wrote:[/b]
No I'm not American and I also dislike the show and set up with Adam.
He might be a technical good singer but he lacks authority to sing these songs. There is very less emotion in his singing and I dislike the color of his voice. That is unfortunate for him.
Then Roger is playing also very static and undynamic. It's not comfortable to watch and listen to. Brian does a solid job but nothing outstanding.
Age is not the thing here. It is a matter of preparation and fitness.
Look at Aerosmith. Same age and the band is tight a fuck at the moment. Joey Kramer (drummer) is performing like 20 years ago. No difference. In fact the whole band is fitter than they have been in the last 15 years. Really amazing. [/QUOTE]
Aerosmith are a perfect example - and Joey Kramer vs RT - of how the 20 year gap in touring has really showed within the last few years on Roger, and to a lesser extent, Brian. Considering Queen were never really a band into heavy drug use in their prime like Aerosmith, Roger hasn't really got that excuse either!
'Match fitness' is really what it's about, and sadly it's very lacking.[/QUOTE]
I don't like this Roger bashing. On that version of stone cold crazy I'm pretty sure the song was slowed down to fit Adams voice and delivery. Professionals do that type of tailoring. I don't think it's because Roger can't drum fast anymore.... maybe it is lol they do have two drummers now. Kind of ironic considering Roger commented that Queen didn't need more than one guitarist lol
FreddieCat · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]philip storey wrote:[/b]
For fucks sake you moaning fuckers ! Some of you would still not be satisfed if Freddie came back from the dead ,John returned on bass and Queen were the number one band on the planet.I have never heard such negative comments, i am quite sure some of you think that you can play the guitar and drums like Brian and Roger and of course know all about putting on stage shows and working in studios.Be happy for what we have,if you dont like it piss off and join James Blunts Fan Club !![/QUOTE]
So if you can't play an instrument, you shouldn't have an opinion on musicians or their playing?
Again, it's quite something that life-long Queen fans aren't able to comment their honest opinion (on a Queen forum of all places!) about a pop idol contestant fronting 50% of the band they've followed for years, without being they should piss off to a different forum.
You'd expect that kind of mentality from 14 year old Lambert fans - "Praise or shut up" - but not from fans of Queen, or at least, not on a forum like this where everything to do with Queen is supposed to be open for discussion, no matter what your take on it.
Personally, I'm not opposed to what May/Taylor/Lambert are currently doing. I saw them in 2012, and I found it to be enjoyable.
What I am opposed to, is the notion that people should piss off, go elsewhere, simply for stating their honest view. [/QUOTE]
I agree with this so much. Negative criticism of any form should go unmolested.
99jaystang · Member since
So Queen officials finally clued in about the mix , and took it down off youtube. I don't see it anymore. I hope somebody has a copy of this.... for historical archive purposes ..
someonewholikesadam · Member since
Even as much as I love Adam, after his last tour with Queen, I thought he was just so-so as their frontman. I have totally changed my opinion. He is back to being his marvelous glamtastic self , all the while bringing Queen's music back to life in his own style. I was becoming disheartened with all the negative posts about him on this forum. But now I have come to realize that you naysayers on this forum are in the GREAT minority. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Queen + Adam Lambert Tour Opening Night
by Anthony Kuzminski
Chicago, IL- United Center - June 19, 2014
When Freddie Mercury passed away in 1991, I assumed it meant the end of Queen. Obviously, Freddie's physical presence was no longer with us, but as evidenced at the opening night of the Queen + Adam Lambert world tour in Chicago, his spirit reigns over the crowd like never before. For just under two-hours, guitarist Brian May and drummer Roger Taylor delivered a greatest-hits set designed to pummel led by raging riffs that took center stage. Queen has always had a peculiar relationship with America. The last time they toured here with Mercury was 1982 (in a suburb) and the last time Queen played Chicago-proper was December 7, 1978 at the Chicago Stadium. The United Center now stands in its place and it was a homecoming of sorts with the band not just staking their claim to the throne of rock n' roll but also introducing a flashy and fierce performer who helped bring these hymns to the masses; Adam Lambert. On paper, Lambert looks like a bit of a Mercury clone with his flamboyancy, but there's so much more to him than the naysayers know about. He knows there's no replacing Mercury, but there's no denying he's a musical descendant of Mercury. But would it work onstage? Could the two remaining members of Queen (bassist John Deacon retired in 1997) bring these classics to an audience who is hungry for them without soiling their memories? I am thrilled to report that with a mixture of impassioned musicianship, a crowd charged with brazen enthusiasm and a catalog that is only matched by a handful, this tour serves Queen and their legacy with purpose and pride.
A massive curtain with the Queen's logo covered the stage, you could feel the anticipation in the air in the moments before it dropped unveiling the band. Opening the show with "Now I'm Here", the crowd leapt to their feet and stayed there for the majority of their two-hour show. There was a minor snafu with Adam Lambert's microphone going out, but being a true professional, he simply moved across the stage to a back-up microphone and continued as if nothing had happened. I mention it only to show how well they recovered. If Lambert had arrived onstage on a motorcycle he could have been mistaken for Rob Halford circa 1990. Dressed in black leather and studs, Lambert complimented these songs in his own way. As good as Lambert was, the curly silver-haired guitarist, Brian May, continually stole the show song-after-song. During the night's second song, "Stone Cold Crazy", May unleashed his musical muscle on his Red Special guitar in such a manner it was hard to not get emotional over seeing him onstage playing these songs. Reaching back to the past in what seems like a bottomless reservoir, May continually thrust his magic through his fingers where it spilled out into the audience. Since 1990, I've had a hard time hearing "Stone Cold Crazy" without the Metallica version in my head, but tonight, May took it back and with infinite spirals of guitar wizardry, he continually left the Chicago audience is mouth-gaping awe. Drummer Roger Taylor provided a sense of urgency to his dynamic pounding behind the kit. Despite being in his sixties, "Stone Cold Crazy", "I Want It All", "Under Pressure" (for which he provided the Bowie harmonies) and "Tie Your Mother Down" were every bit as thunderous as you could hope for. He let his son take over the kit so he could sing the emotional "These Are the Days of Our Lives" which was the final video he band shot with Mercury in 1991.
I always knew Adam Lambert had to goods to be a great performer and front man, but could he pull of these songs with this band? Early in the show on "Another One Bites the Dust", he roamed to the front of the stage and immediately engaged the crowd for a call-and-response. During the trio of "In the Lap of the Gods... Revisited" the unbelievable "Seven Seas of Rhye" and a delicious "Killer Queen" Lambert found his groove. This is where he became less self-conscious and started embracing his inner rock God. He can command a stage like the best veterans and even though he is singing songs that are not his, it didn't stop him from pouring every ounce if his being into it all. He's playful, a tease, but he always took the music seriously. Musically the set is veers heavy on hits. This didn't seem to bother any of the 17,000 in attendance. Nearly twice as many people paid to see Queen + Paul Rogers in 2006. Ticket demand was so high that the arena opened up semi-obstructed seats behind the soundboard and next to the stage to fill demand. I've always said that you can tell ticket demand for a show when these sections are sold. Among the highlights were "I Want It All" and "The Show Must Go On" from their latter records, The Miracle and Innuendo. For a reason I can't exactly pinpoint I went on a Queen kick earlier this year. What this means is I listen to every record, begin reading biographies and get my hands on anything I could. Growing up in America, there was a time when Queen did not have a label in America, so their entire catalog was out-of-print until 1992 and since Queen stopped touring here in 1992, their records in the US came and went within a month. However, what struck me was the musical maturity on The Miracle and Innuendo, two records that were written and recorded when the band knew Mercury would not be with them forever. This awareness permeates the records in a way no one could have foreseen. More shocking is the masterpiece Made in Heaven, which was largely recorded after Mercury's death. "I Want It All" and "The Show Must Go On" despite being from records the band didn't tour behind were fist-pumping highlights.
The main stage featured a circular screen, lasers, lights and smoke but it was the mini stage that featured some of the night's finest and most intimate moments. May tackled "Love of My Life" alone with an acoustic guitar but before the song could finish the screen featured Freddie Mercury singing the song. It was almost too much to bear. Moments like these make you wish you could have seen a sixty-something Mercury creating music and what it would sound like. May continued with a stunning rendition of "'39" from A Night at the Opera which feature the band joining him on the smaller stage upfront. Roger Taylor took his turn with a dueling drum solo with his son, Rufus Tiger Taylor. As the band gathered around Taylor and his kit, they launched into a drop-to-your-knees version of "Under Pressure" where Taylor and Lambert gleefully traded lyrical barbs as the audience hung on their every word. Following it was a new Queen song, "Love Kills" which will see a release later this year on a compilation album entitled Queen Forever. "Love Kills" was originally a Mercury solo single, but it's been recorded by the band in order to make it a Queen number (much like some of the material on Made In Heaven). Lambert was especially heartrending in his stoic delivery of the song.
Back on the main stage, Lambert wrung every drop of humanity from within on "Who Wants To Live Forever" with May pairing arena bombast with gripping despair. The band was accentuated by lasers and a disco ball, which descended upon the mini stage where Lambert and May touchingly brought to song to its climax in a moment I won't soon forget. The first time I ever heard the song was on Rockline two days after Mercury passed in 1991 when Axl Rose was the featu
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]someonewholikesadam wrote:[/b]
But now I have come to realize that you naysayers on this forum are in the GREAT minority.[/QUOTE]
I take it you don't use Facebook then? If you did, you'd see comments disliking Lambert's singing / involvement with Queen a lot. (and comments disliking May and Taylor's decisions). And "disliking" is putting it mildly in some cases!
Same topic: Stone cold crazy video.
I'd hardy say the comments not liking it are a great minority. It seems quite a mixed bag.