ZBGM0: If this tape needs to be pitch corrected - can anyone in here do that? - Please?
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I am pretty sure Gregsynth can do it, actually anyone can do it. You just need a program to lower the pitch. You can download Audacity for instance (free) and make this in a few seconds. But with cheap or free programs the quality would not be the best. You need somebody who has a good program.
But problem is that I don't know if the tape is played to fast.
Freddie didn't like E major on the piano and IF the original song (from composer) is really in Eb major THEN I am even more convinced (something like 99,99999 %) that Freddie would NEVER play it in E major.
It is safe to say that IF this is Freddie then the tape IS played to fast.
But problem is that I don't know if the tape is played to fast.
Freddie didn't like E major on the piano and IF the original song (from composer) is really in Eb major THEN I am even more convinced (something like 99,99999 %) that Freddie would NEVER play it in E major.
It is safe to say that IF this is Freddie then the tape IS played to fast.
If this hadn't been leaked here, but had instead turned up on the FM boxset a few years back, would anyone be inclined to question the authenticity? Not one of you, I bet.
Sebastian wrote:
If the recording's in another key, then it's almost entirely sure to have been sped up or down, which would suggest 'Send in the Clowns', 'Amazing Grace' and the other one were as well.
I'll reply to my own post with a correction: it can be simpler than that. Many pianos are tuned a semitone lower than usual. So there.
SkyeTV wrote:
If this hadn't been leaked here, but had instead turned up on the FM boxset a few years back, would anyone be inclined to question the authenticity? Not one of you, I bet.
But that's the whole point of the debate here - that WOULD have been the proof of authenticity. Without PROOF, we can all be absolutely firm in our belief that it is genuine based on the provenance of where it reputedly came from, but we can't PROVE it.
That's quite interesting, though.
Presumably, having those tracks on an official release would be enough 'proof' of authenticity for the overwhelming majority of people. What would, however, stop QPL from releasing a fake?
My point is not to start second-guessing and doubting everything, but to consider the big picture:
* For something to go on the box-set, it would've needed to be found by the archivist and then remixed, (re)mastered and issued. If none of the people were actually present when Fred recorded it (or not), then their witness testimonies are not more valid than ours. They're just trusting their ears, their guts or what's written on a tape... or maybe not even that.
* These tapes we're debating, reportedly, came from Freddie's boyfriend. Is Jim Hutton more reliable than Greg Brooks? One knew him personally, one never met him; one hasn't got the official seal, the other one has; one's dead and can't come here to defend his stance, the other one can and probably will come here to defend himself by bullying and name-calling.
Presumably, having those tracks on an official release would be enough 'proof' of authenticity for the overwhelming majority of people. What would, however, stop QPL from releasing a fake?
My point is not to start second-guessing and doubting everything, but to consider the big picture:
* For something to go on the box-set, it would've needed to be found by the archivist and then remixed, (re)mastered and issued. If none of the people were actually present when Fred recorded it (or not), then their witness testimonies are not more valid than ours. They're just trusting their ears, their guts or what's written on a tape... or maybe not even that.
* These tapes we're debating, reportedly, came from Freddie's boyfriend. Is Jim Hutton more reliable than Greg Brooks? One knew him personally, one never met him; one hasn't got the official seal, the other one has; one's dead and can't come here to defend his stance, the other one can and probably will come here to defend himself by bullying and name-calling.
I have no doubt whatsoever that QPL have released some duffers. The "a-capella" of "Let's Turn It On" from the FM set is, IMO, bogus. They have tried to cover their arse in the notes about "headphone bleed", but it sounds like it's some channel-fiddling. Also with "I Was Born To Love You", it's evidently just a stripped down version of the original and not a "session take" as the titling of the disc would have you believe. Any competent mixer could do that and put it on a disc alongside genuine demos/out-takes to beef up the content.
I don't know if it's real or not, but it could be. Freddie's piano in his house was terribly out of tune, for instance, as you can hear on the garden lodge tapes (why, oh why, did he not hire a tuner?)
Good times.
BrEnSki wrote:
“this whole conversation can rack up some strong arguments here. see previous threads :-)
Anyhow, my opinion on it - Freddie left her the house to do with as she chose - this was HOW MUCH he thought of Mary - perhaps if he truly loved Jim he'd have left it to him? It was Mary's and so were the contents that he bequeathed to her.
Tell me honestly that if someone left you a house in their will, that YOU'D be happy to have the deceased's old friends still living there...and if so, how long would YOU be ok with that situation...think about it. All the friends, and friends of friends and the hangers on and liggers - people you've never met ....after all it was her house and up to her who she let live there - or not”.
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Agreed 1000%
Quite frankly I can’t get over that people ACTUALLY buy into the notion that Freddie made a verbal promise that the three men could stay on for as long as they determined they needed.
Just the fact that they all take Hutton’s word that Freddie wanted them to all stay at Garden Lodge until the felt like leaving.
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I mean, SERIOUSLY. LOGICALLY. They REALLY think Freddie wanted or expected a 7 month pregnant woman of a certain age, with a toddler and a baby daddy... To take on 3 adult males as servants (two of them ex-lovers) she ultimately had little use for, and continue to financially support them for an unspecified amount of time? That makes sense to them?
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She was supposed to upkeep a multi-million dollar mansion and all it's valuable.contents and all the expense that entails until they just got the notion to leave??
No way in HOLY HECK Freddie would do something so thoughtless and unreasonable to Mary or ANYONE.
She gave them 3 months to leave which is plenty enough time for 3 adult men with homes already bought for them and £500,000 on the way to leave.
I mean it’s just CRAZY they buy into that fable.
I believe Hutton lied about that and if he’d lie about something like that, how much else did he lie about.
“this whole conversation can rack up some strong arguments here. see previous threads :-)
Anyhow, my opinion on it - Freddie left her the house to do with as she chose - this was HOW MUCH he thought of Mary - perhaps if he truly loved Jim he'd have left it to him? It was Mary's and so were the contents that he bequeathed to her.
Tell me honestly that if someone left you a house in their will, that YOU'D be happy to have the deceased's old friends still living there...and if so, how long would YOU be ok with that situation...think about it. All the friends, and friends of friends and the hangers on and liggers - people you've never met ....after all it was her house and up to her who she let live there - or not”.
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Agreed 1000%
Quite frankly I can’t get over that people ACTUALLY buy into the notion that Freddie made a verbal promise that the three men could stay on for as long as they determined they needed.
Just the fact that they all take Hutton’s word that Freddie wanted them to all stay at Garden Lodge until the felt like leaving.
.
I mean, SERIOUSLY. LOGICALLY. They REALLY think Freddie wanted or expected a 7 month pregnant woman of a certain age, with a toddler and a baby daddy... To take on 3 adult males as servants (two of them ex-lovers) she ultimately had little use for, and continue to financially support them for an unspecified amount of time? That makes sense to them?
.
She was supposed to upkeep a multi-million dollar mansion and all it's valuable.contents and all the expense that entails until they just got the notion to leave??
No way in HOLY HECK Freddie would do something so thoughtless and unreasonable to Mary or ANYONE.
She gave them 3 months to leave which is plenty enough time for 3 adult men with homes already bought for them and £500,000 on the way to leave.
I mean it’s just CRAZY they buy into that fable.
I believe Hutton lied about that and if he’d lie about something like that, how much else did he lie about.
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:
Reid_Special_98 wrote:
I'm not convinced that this is Freddie.
If JSS says it is, and he owns the recording, then you can take that to the bank.
who is this JSS?
Anton3283 wrote:
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:
Reid_Special_98 wrote:
I'm not convinced that this is Freddie.
If JSS says it is, and he owns the recording, then you can take that to the bank.
who is this JSS?
John Stuart - legendary QZer, sharer and great guy.