Apocalipsis_Darko wrote:I can understand the point of view of Jim Hutton...he made happy Freddie.
About Mary Austin. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2301718/Freddie-Mercury-Queen-stars-lover-Mary-Austin-cursed-fortune.html No comments.
Jim may have been his lover - but Mary was his true soulmate
gerry wrote:Freddie may have loved mary with his mind, but he loved jim with his cock!
and in the final reckoning...it's clear that Freddie thought MUCH MUCH more of the relationship with Mary than that with Jim (or "the cock") as you so subtley put it....he left the house and contents to Mary...it's obvious that freddie clearly wasn't as shallow as you are
nope i aint shallow dudes it is fact rather than fiction.
so why has the other 3 Queenies not spoken to mary austin in 22 years then?
Freddie was himself with jim and with mary he was hiding the real freddie.
sure he left her the lot, but they was a bitter dispute between austin and hutton
which was in the national newspapers.
In my opinion Freddie was very very happy in love with jim, and thank god he changed
his mind marrying mary that would have been a massive mistake.
nope i aint shallow dudes it is fact rather than fiction.
so why has the other 3 Queenies not spoken to mary austin in 22 years then?
Freddie was himself with jim and with mary he was hiding the real freddie.
sure he left her the lot, but they was a bitter dispute between austin and hutton
which was in the national newspapers.
In my opinion Freddie was very very happy in love with jim, and thank god he changed
his mind marrying mary that would have been a massive mistake.
What you have failed to grasp is that Mary was Freddie's life long companion, through his adult life. Regardless of the other failed relationships she was always there. They were almost inseparable, she very often toured with the band in Freddies party.
Regardless of his sexual orientation, Mary was the love of his life. He said as much "people come and go, but Mary is the one constant person in my life"
Yes Freddie's relationship with Jim lasted longer than the others he had, but he wasn't the be all and end all of Freddies life, had he been surley he would have been sitting in Garden Lodge instead of Mary.
i think in this day and age Freddie & jim would have certainly tied the knot!
That would certainly have hacked mary off!
She was nasty throwing all of freddies friends out of garden lodge,
like peter straker, phobe, and many others, and then she got her own staff in!
gerry wrote:i think in this day and age Freddie & jim would have certainly tied the knot!
says who? Freddie could've easily grown tired of Jim - it's just as likely as your theory of marriage
gerry wrote:That would certainly have hacked mary off!
i don;t think so - Mary only ever wanted Freddie to be happy
gerry wrote:She was nasty throwing all of freddies friends out of garden lodge,
like peter straker, phobe, and many others, and then she got her own staff in!
it was her house. freddie gave it to her. those people had no rights - and they more than overstayed their welcome
Sure i understand what your saying, but jim was very angry the way he got treated.
i understand peter freestone wasnt to glad either!
ok. I'll ask you one last time....you inherit a house from someone...how LONGGGGG would you humour and put up with the dead person's friends and their hangers-on being there? it's your house now, come on, be honest - almost everyone would "clear the decks" asap
the one thing to remember in all of this?
WE only have the word of jim, straker and co to go by.....NONE of us knows what actually happened or what went on....at least Mary has kept her dignity with regard to this episode....as opposed to freddie's money-grubbing so-called friends...selling their ass and soul (pun) to any tabloid shitsheet they can find...(ffs this story has been told so many times by whiney-assed ne're do wells who had a good run and bemoaned their "gravy train" unceremoniously derailing in late 1991. fuck em - all of em!!!
let's face some facts: doesn't matter how close these people thought they were to Freddie - there's one over-riding factor - they weren't that close - any of them...or he'd have left them the house. he didn't. end of.
Brenski: Its such a pity Freddie never left his fortune to his sister kashmira, as in my opinion
she is freddies blood and more important than Mary.
Anyway on the whole i understand what you meant about all the hanger ons in logan place,
but dear friends like peter freestone and peter straker plus jim hutton were freddies closest friends,
and got treated quite badly.
What has hacked me off is the fact that Mary is moaning because she has too much of freddies money,
she should stop moaning or give it all away to a worth while charity like "The Mercury phoenix trust"
To me is very simple.
Mary got the house because Freddie believed that she contributed A LOT to his fame and fortune.
She financially supported him in his first steps, encouraged him to pursue his dream, provided a safe heterosexual net for his relationship with his family ( Freddie regarded his family a lot as we know), and lets face it she gave Freddie "a straight side" that was needed to balance his flamboyance at first, gay lifestyle later.
I think in way he believed he took advantage of her and to a digree its true.
Also they grew up/matured together in those shaping years that turned Bulsara into Mercury.That sais a lot,
On the other hand Jim Hutton was NOT a close friend. He was his PARTNER. Freddie even introduced him as his husband when he was comfortable.
By today's standards he could be the equivilant to Elton John/David Furnish.A proper couple, kids and all...
Although somehow i believe Freddie would again be sticking with adopting another 7 cats.
The key thing to undartsand the situation is to aknwoledge that Freddie didn't make it to witness the mainstreaming of the LGBT community.
winterspelt wrote:The worst thing about this site is how easy a nice post with some interesting facts can be turned into an off-topic nonsense.
so while people discuss what you like it's ok, but when it diverts - as most thread do in time (you can only discuss a certain topic without exhaustion for a finite amount of time) then it becomes "off topic nonsense" - glad you popped by to redress the balance - I'd hate to meander into territory you didn't approve of - and anyhow, didn't i say this would happen?
brENsKi wrote: Gerry this whole conversation can rack up some strong arguments here. see previous threads :-)
kosimodo wrote: These tapes should never have been "released" because they were an intimate communication between three men. Somethings were just not meant to be heard in public.
well there's only ONE person to blame - jim
gerry wrote: Brenski: Its such a pity Freddie never left his fortune to his sister kashmira, as in my opinion she is freddies blood and more important than Mary.
a pity for who? YOU? it was frediie's money and house, and freddie obviously deemed her and his godchildren more important in this instance - so freddie's decision. everyone else should respect that. full stop.
gerry wrote: Anyway on the whole i understand what you meant about all the hanger ons in logan place, but dear friends like peter freestone and peter straker plus jim hutton were freddies closest friends, and got treated quite badly.
how did they get treated badly. she asked them to leave HER house - that's her right. - if freddie had really cared much for them, then he'd have written some kind of tenancy term into his will to allow them time to find somewhere else - or he'd have left it in trust to the three of them - he didn't. so only one to blame for any perceived mess is Freddie - not Mary!
gerry wrote:What has hacked me off is the fact that Mary is moaning because she has too much of freddies money, she should stop moaning or give it all away to a worth while charity like "The Mercury phoenix trust"
i don't recall her saying that - i think she said the burden of responsibility was a huge one - and it would be - for anyone - when you have sorted out a modest estate following the death of a loved one - as I have you may just have an inkling of what a crapfest it can become - and that's BEFORE you get into the realms of a big estate and division of assets/wealth like Freddie's must've been for Mary....people round here should cut the woman some slack - she didn't ask for it, but she dealt with it with the grace and failings that most human beings would do so....
