Israel: The Double Standard

thomasquinn 32989 wrote:

brENsKi wrote: no point trying to discuss anything with someone who's intent on telling me what i said or meant - when YOU're wrong on BOTH counts.

Ok, I see, I should have understood right away that you meant that Hitler was a Catholic and Stalin was indifferent but an ex-seminary student. How stupid of me, I am so sorry. And how stupid of me also that I failed to see how you have the moral high ground in an argument where you justify the deaths of hundreds upon hundreds of civilians as a regrettable necessity and I say it is unacceptable. I should have understood how wrong it is of me to be outraged by the mass death inflicted of people of the wrong persuasion/ethnicity. Instead, I should have gravely stated that it is regrettable that such offers must be made for the greater good. Thank you for showing me the light, Mr. Brenski. You've shown me how arrogant I have been by your ceaseless modesty, you've showed me the error of my ways by your consistent morality and deep humanity in explaining to me how it is really sad that some 1800 civilians are now dead, they died so that their neigbors no longer have to fear that some of them might want to kill *them*. You are such a superior person, thank you for sparing some of your time for me.

there you go. as if to prove my point.
definitely absolutely proven beyond all doubt that you know everything - including what others mean and think. well done....and there was me thinking there was no God...when all along he moved among the rank and file of QZ. I'm honoured by your omnipresence, omnipotence and downright omniknowledge.
now i am out of this one. enjoy arguing with Jebba the Hut, your Omniship. :-)

So much for your grasp on sarcasm and rhetoric, I see. Too bad that you've got such a case of seeing-the-splinter-in-your-neighbors-eye-but-not-the-plank-in-your-own that you are entirely impervious to how offensive your own remarks in this topic have been. It is very ironic to see you level such accusations at me from your high horse. They might apply to me, but in no less a measure does your every accusation of arrogance, patronizing tone of voice and pretension to a Higher Understanding of All Matters But Particularly This One apply to you yourself. You probably don't see it, but you've been at least as much of a puffed-up arrogant lout as you accuse me of being.

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Brenski me and thomas are having a conversation so please go away

Thomas We were talking

Weren't we talking?

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/08/opinion/israel-own-worst-enemy-levy/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

This is very worrying. And this is from a journalist of one of Israel's most important newspapers, Ha'aretz

Truth doesn't seem to have a place in news anymore

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnos.nl%2Fartikel%2F686712-nler-geeft-israel-medaille-terug.html&edit-text=&act=url

A 91-year old Dutchman who sheltered Jewish refugees during WWII, and whose brother and father were killed by the nazis for resistance work, has returned the medal Israel gave him after the attacks on Gaza killed SIX of his family members. But of course, 'reasonable' people like brenski will tell you that this is all very regrettable but that nothing else could have been done, because when Hamas launches rockets that fail to hit anything, Israel has absolutely no choice but to start massacring the population of Gaza.

Anyway, I have infinitely more respect for Henk Zanoli than for anyone of those hypocritical scumbags who defend Israel's policies of mass-murder.

There must be a more clever way to punish or contain Hamas, other than with bombs that ruin infrastructure and kill thousands of innocent people.

Donna13 wrote:

There must be a more clever way to punish or contain Hamas, other than with bombs that ruin infrastructure and kill thousands of innocent people.

I am sure a few weapons dealers and war companies won't agree with you.

A war here and there is good for business.

Donna13 wrote:

There must be a more clever way to punish or contain Hamas, other than with bombs that ruin infrastructure and kill thousands of innocent people.

Exactly! This is simply resorting to the same failed tactics America used during the Vietnam war when dealing with villages used by the Vietcong to hide in - it was a disaster, resulting in massive loss of life and vastly increased support for the Vietcong.

thomasquinn 32989 wrote:

Donna13 wrote:

There must be a more clever way to punish or contain Hamas, other than with bombs that ruin infrastructure and kill thousands of innocent people.

Exactly! This is simply resorting to the same failed tactics America used during the Vietnam war when dealing with villages used by the Vietcong to hide in - it was a disaster, resulting in massive loss of life and vastly increased support for the Vietcong.

Vietnam?

It continues to this day !

The military industrial complex is the single biggest money maker in the US (and also the biggest expenditure, but only a certain few companies see the profits). War is big business, so there always needs to be one.

A lot of support for Gaza including countries, prominent people, and organizations. Hamas is an elected government which has a unity relationship with Fatah and is fully entitled to defend the people of Gaza. Israel has stolen a helluva a lot of Palestinian land in the form of illegal settlements. Israel's siege on Gaza needs to cease now.
A lot of similarities between Israel's history and treatment of Palestinian people and America's genocide and land theft of its Native Americans.

^ excellent comparison.

and curiously enough - NOT a single mention from ANYONE here condemning Hamas for breaking a third ceasefire (today). There is no justification whatsoever for firing missiles while talks are still going on - and talks were going on when these latest 3 rockets were fired.
They (Hamas) clearly don;t want peace. full stop.

Come on Casper, how about you condemn Hamas for this latest episode? no caveats, no excuses, no "reasons why" or mitigation. do the decent thing here and condemn Hamas for this.