GERRYISADICK
Brenski you fail to see the Israelis crimes
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brENsKi
YOU have not read what i typed. try reading it again. properly, then reply
there is NO EXCUSE at all for firing missiles while talks are still going on. and anyone who thinks there is is a terrorist sympathiser
there is NO EXCUSE at all for firing missiles while talks are still going on. and anyone who thinks there is is a terrorist sympathiser
GERRYISADICK
The Israelis are opportunists always making a situation to start a war with hamas. This time it was killing three of their own children. Face it Israel is an empire of evil posing as the victim of a country that does not have a standing army. Open your eyes israel is a threat to peace we need to cut aid to them and assist hamas
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]Jefffabiano wrote:[/b]
The Israelis are opportunists always making a situation to start a war with hamas. This time it was killing three of their own children. Face it Israel is an empire of evil posing as the victim of a country that does not have a standing army. Open your eyes israel is a threat to peace we need to cut aid to them and assist hamas [/QUOTE]
you have no idea how f**king stupid your comment is. think about it for a second.
if Hamas DON'T break a ceasefire agreement and DON'T fire any rockets, then there is NO fucking opportunity for Israel to be opportunist is there?
grow the fuck up, and stop making excuses for terrorists. The ONLY side of this argument that broke the last THREE successive ceasefires is HAMAS...check your facts before making sweeping statements
it's so ridiculous that even Hamas have denied firing these rockets - how fucking stupid do THEY think everyone is? "oh well if we deny it, then the whole world will back us"...and many like yourself still do
don't expect me to come back and discuss this with someone who chooses to disregard the point being made,
The Israelis are opportunists always making a situation to start a war with hamas. This time it was killing three of their own children. Face it Israel is an empire of evil posing as the victim of a country that does not have a standing army. Open your eyes israel is a threat to peace we need to cut aid to them and assist hamas [/QUOTE]
you have no idea how f**king stupid your comment is. think about it for a second.
if Hamas DON'T break a ceasefire agreement and DON'T fire any rockets, then there is NO fucking opportunity for Israel to be opportunist is there?
grow the fuck up, and stop making excuses for terrorists. The ONLY side of this argument that broke the last THREE successive ceasefires is HAMAS...check your facts before making sweeping statements
it's so ridiculous that even Hamas have denied firing these rockets - how fucking stupid do THEY think everyone is? "oh well if we deny it, then the whole world will back us"...and many like yourself still do
don't expect me to come back and discuss this with someone who chooses to disregard the point being made,
GERRYISADICK
Israel is the terrorist group
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
and curiously enough - NOT a single mention from ANYONE here condemning Hamas for breaking a third ceasefire (today).[/QUOTE]
Of course Hamas are dickheads. No sane person is denying that.
But those rockets mostly aren't killing people. A total of three Israeli civilians have died in this conflict.
About a thousand Palestinian women and children have been killed. They seek refuse in schools that Israel choose to bomb, despite the fact that the IDF intelligence knows EXACTLY where the rockets are and aren't stored.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/world/middleeast/un-says-evidence-points-to-israel-in-gaza-school-attack.html
If the IDF claim to have the best surveillance technology around, then they can't be plotting about with the double standard of "oops, we didn't know!"
This is genocide, plain and simple. No different from from how Americans have treated the Indians, as someone pointed out earlier. The land is being annexed into Israeli settlements, and the locals are being systematically removed. And the global community is sitting around scratching their heads wondering which one is going to speak up and actually do something about it.
and curiously enough - NOT a single mention from ANYONE here condemning Hamas for breaking a third ceasefire (today).[/QUOTE]
Of course Hamas are dickheads. No sane person is denying that.
But those rockets mostly aren't killing people. A total of three Israeli civilians have died in this conflict.
About a thousand Palestinian women and children have been killed. They seek refuse in schools that Israel choose to bomb, despite the fact that the IDF intelligence knows EXACTLY where the rockets are and aren't stored.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/world/middleeast/un-says-evidence-points-to-israel-in-gaza-school-attack.html
If the IDF claim to have the best surveillance technology around, then they can't be plotting about with the double standard of "oops, we didn't know!"
This is genocide, plain and simple. No different from from how Americans have treated the Indians, as someone pointed out earlier. The land is being annexed into Israeli settlements, and the locals are being systematically removed. And the global community is sitting around scratching their heads wondering which one is going to speak up and actually do something about it.
GERRYISADICK
Brenski does not care about truth
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
and curiously enough - NOT a single mention from ANYONE here condemning Hamas for breaking a third ceasefire (today).[/QUOTE]
Of course Hamas are dickheads. No sane person is denying that.
But those rockets mostly aren't killing people. A total of three Israeli civilians have died in this conflict.
.[/QUOTE]
none of that makes it ok to fire rockets. you either sit down and talk or you don't. and if you don't then you condemn your people to suffer. because their (Hamas') live by the sword/die by the sword mentality is condemning their innocent people to the same. this is NOT Israel's fault. It's Palestine's. they have a choice - and that choice is simple, overthrow Hamas and choose dialogue rather than guns and rockets.
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
and curiously enough - NOT a single mention from ANYONE here condemning Hamas for breaking a third ceasefire (today).[/QUOTE]
Of course Hamas are dickheads. No sane person is denying that.
But those rockets mostly aren't killing people. A total of three Israeli civilians have died in this conflict.
.[/QUOTE]
none of that makes it ok to fire rockets. you either sit down and talk or you don't. and if you don't then you condemn your people to suffer. because their (Hamas') live by the sword/die by the sword mentality is condemning their innocent people to the same. this is NOT Israel's fault. It's Palestine's. they have a choice - and that choice is simple, overthrow Hamas and choose dialogue rather than guns and rockets.
GERRYISADICK
Why are you so pro israel?
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
their (Hamas') live by the sword/die by the sword mentality is condemning their innocent people to the same. this is NOT Israel's fault. It's Palestine's. they have a choice - and that choice is simple, overthrow Hamas and choose dialogue rather than guns and rockets.
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Dude, you're off your fucking rocker. You cannot blame the innocent civilians of Palestine for the military choices of Israel. Do you honestly think it's easier for them to overthrow Hamas than it is for Israel to simply choose not to drop bombs on schools full of women and children that they've already terrorized?
With this kind of mentality and blind hatred you're starting to sound like a little moustached man from Germany in the 30s. You're advocating for genocide by granting Israel the clemency and right to kill thousands of innocent people as they please. Look at yourself in the mirror for a moment.
their (Hamas') live by the sword/die by the sword mentality is condemning their innocent people to the same. this is NOT Israel's fault. It's Palestine's. they have a choice - and that choice is simple, overthrow Hamas and choose dialogue rather than guns and rockets.
[/QUOTE]
Dude, you're off your fucking rocker. You cannot blame the innocent civilians of Palestine for the military choices of Israel. Do you honestly think it's easier for them to overthrow Hamas than it is for Israel to simply choose not to drop bombs on schools full of women and children that they've already terrorized?
With this kind of mentality and blind hatred you're starting to sound like a little moustached man from Germany in the 30s. You're advocating for genocide by granting Israel the clemency and right to kill thousands of innocent people as they please. Look at yourself in the mirror for a moment.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Dude, you're off your fucking rocker. You cannot blame the innocent civilians of Palestine for the military choices of Israel. Do you honestly think it's easier for them to overthrow Hamas than it is for Israel to simply choose not to drop bombs on schools full of women and children that they've already terrorized?
With this kind of mentality and blind hatred you're starting to sound like a little moustached man from Germany in the 30s. You're advocating for genocide by granting Israel the clemency and right to kill thousands of innocent people as they please. Look at yourself in the mirror for a moment.[/QUOTE]
stop accusing me of hatred. try reading what i say rather than what YOu think i mean.
i disagree. nowhere in any of this have i backed Israel. ever. I have condemned Hamas. that is all. people say hamas are democratically elected, well they can also be democratically UNelected. and if Palestine had the balls to do so, that would send the biggest message to Israel that Palestine wish to talk rather than fight.
but WE ALL know that will NEVER happen. because deep down. the "wipe Israel from the face of the earth" agenda is what really matters most.
Dude, you're off your fucking rocker. You cannot blame the innocent civilians of Palestine for the military choices of Israel. Do you honestly think it's easier for them to overthrow Hamas than it is for Israel to simply choose not to drop bombs on schools full of women and children that they've already terrorized?
With this kind of mentality and blind hatred you're starting to sound like a little moustached man from Germany in the 30s. You're advocating for genocide by granting Israel the clemency and right to kill thousands of innocent people as they please. Look at yourself in the mirror for a moment.[/QUOTE]
stop accusing me of hatred. try reading what i say rather than what YOu think i mean.
i disagree. nowhere in any of this have i backed Israel. ever. I have condemned Hamas. that is all. people say hamas are democratically elected, well they can also be democratically UNelected. and if Palestine had the balls to do so, that would send the biggest message to Israel that Palestine wish to talk rather than fight.
but WE ALL know that will NEVER happen. because deep down. the "wipe Israel from the face of the earth" agenda is what really matters most.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
I have condemned Hamas. that is all.
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And so am I. I agree with you, 100%.
But why are you not condemning Israel for their choices to bomb schools full of innocent people? That has nothing to do with Hamas. There were no militants in the schools, nor were there weapons. Read the article I posted. It was a mass slaying of civilians, end of.
We mustn't dehumanize millions of innocent people. Look at all the facts and attempt to see that the growing outrage of the fact that the IDF isn't also deemed a terrorist organization is completely justified.
I have condemned Hamas. that is all.
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And so am I. I agree with you, 100%.
But why are you not condemning Israel for their choices to bomb schools full of innocent people? That has nothing to do with Hamas. There were no militants in the schools, nor were there weapons. Read the article I posted. It was a mass slaying of civilians, end of.
We mustn't dehumanize millions of innocent people. Look at all the facts and attempt to see that the growing outrage of the fact that the IDF isn't also deemed a terrorist organization is completely justified.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]I have condemned Hamas. that is all.
[/QUOTE]And so am I. I agree with you, 100%.
But why are you not condemning Israel for their choices to bomb schools full of innocent people? That has nothing to do with Hamas. There were no militants in the schools, nor were there weapons. Read the article I posted. It was a mass slaying of civilians, end of.
[/QUOTE]
tomarto/tomayto?
depends what you read. more than half the articles i've seen online cite Hamas as having hidden arms/rockets etc in UN schools. and that's in the current bias right-on left-wing press. seems at odds with your comments, when the satellite images show stuff being launched from ground locations at those places.
perhaps the simple fact of this is that if you elect a bunch of terrorists who will use your families as a human shield then you have to stand up to them and vote the fuckers out.
one thing worth mentioning: is there anybody here who wouldn't do everything they could to defend their own against outside attack? stop condemning Israel and THINK about a society that elects terrorists.
finally: the fact that you and Casper appear to have the same standing in this as that pillar of intellect and reason, Jefffabiano, does neither of you any credit.
[/QUOTE]And so am I. I agree with you, 100%.
But why are you not condemning Israel for their choices to bomb schools full of innocent people? That has nothing to do with Hamas. There were no militants in the schools, nor were there weapons. Read the article I posted. It was a mass slaying of civilians, end of.
[/QUOTE]
tomarto/tomayto?
depends what you read. more than half the articles i've seen online cite Hamas as having hidden arms/rockets etc in UN schools. and that's in the current bias right-on left-wing press. seems at odds with your comments, when the satellite images show stuff being launched from ground locations at those places.
perhaps the simple fact of this is that if you elect a bunch of terrorists who will use your families as a human shield then you have to stand up to them and vote the fuckers out.
one thing worth mentioning: is there anybody here who wouldn't do everything they could to defend their own against outside attack? stop condemning Israel and THINK about a society that elects terrorists.
finally: the fact that you and Casper appear to have the same standing in this as that pillar of intellect and reason, Jefffabiano, does neither of you any credit.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
depends what you read. more than half the articles i've seen online cite Hamas as having hidden arms/rockets etc in UN schools.
[/QUOTE]
That's Israeli propaganda and the media simply following the party line. Essential reading here:
http://www.thenation.com/article/180783/five-israeli-talking-points-gaza-debunked
[QUOTE]the satellite images show stuff being launched from ground locations at those places.[/QUOTE]
Can you provide a source?
[QUOTE]is there anybody here who wouldn't do everything they could to defend their own against outside attack? stop condemning Israel and THINK about a society that elects terrorists.[/QUOTE]
The fact that Hamas is running the show on the Palestinian side is indeed a problem, but it is a symptom of a much larger problem that you (and the majority of the world) refuses to acknowledge even exists.
Israel are the ones who have been illegally building settlements on land that ISN'T THEIRS for decades, as well as now having complete control of food, water and medical supplies that come in to the strip, and having military checkpoints in and out. It is the Palestinians who have the right to defend THEMselves against this occupation. It is apartheid all over again.
[QUOTE]finally: the fact that you and Casper appear to have the same standing in this as that pillar of intellect and reason, Jefffabiano, does neither of you any credit.
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No need to resort to straw man arguments. Stick to the subject at hand if you want do legitimately discredit someone. But I still feel the liberty to point out that Caspar is more academically qualified on this subject than every other person on this forum combined.
depends what you read. more than half the articles i've seen online cite Hamas as having hidden arms/rockets etc in UN schools.
[/QUOTE]
That's Israeli propaganda and the media simply following the party line. Essential reading here:
http://www.thenation.com/article/180783/five-israeli-talking-points-gaza-debunked
[QUOTE]the satellite images show stuff being launched from ground locations at those places.[/QUOTE]
Can you provide a source?
[QUOTE]is there anybody here who wouldn't do everything they could to defend their own against outside attack? stop condemning Israel and THINK about a society that elects terrorists.[/QUOTE]
The fact that Hamas is running the show on the Palestinian side is indeed a problem, but it is a symptom of a much larger problem that you (and the majority of the world) refuses to acknowledge even exists.
Israel are the ones who have been illegally building settlements on land that ISN'T THEIRS for decades, as well as now having complete control of food, water and medical supplies that come in to the strip, and having military checkpoints in and out. It is the Palestinians who have the right to defend THEMselves against this occupation. It is apartheid all over again.
[QUOTE]finally: the fact that you and Casper appear to have the same standing in this as that pillar of intellect and reason, Jefffabiano, does neither of you any credit.
[/QUOTE]
No need to resort to straw man arguments. Stick to the subject at hand if you want do legitimately discredit someone. But I still feel the liberty to point out that Caspar is more academically qualified on this subject than every other person on this forum combined.
The Real Wizard
This is the single most accurate thing ever written on the subject:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/08/opinion/israel-own-worst-enemy-levy/index.html
He is absolutely bang on in pointing out that what most propels the IDF is the systematic dehumanization of Palestinian civilians.
I remain shocked that this was published in US mainstream media. He needs those bodyguards more than ever now.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/08/opinion/israel-own-worst-enemy-levy/index.html
He is absolutely bang on in pointing out that what most propels the IDF is the systematic dehumanization of Palestinian civilians.
I remain shocked that this was published in US mainstream media. He needs those bodyguards more than ever now.