GERRYISADICK
Well they did it again they executed the second journalist and are threatening to kill a british journalist
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magicalfreddiemercury
[QUOTE] [b]Jefffabiano wrote:[/b]
Well they did it again they executed the second journalist and are threatening to kill a british journalist [/QUOTE]
Beyond this horrific act, I don't know what is most terrifying - their barbarism or the fact that their barbarism seems to be a successful recruiting tool.
Well they did it again they executed the second journalist and are threatening to kill a british journalist [/QUOTE]
Beyond this horrific act, I don't know what is most terrifying - their barbarism or the fact that their barbarism seems to be a successful recruiting tool.
GERRYISADICK
The fact it helps them recruit is terrifying to me the fact that all they have to do to recruit is to execute a westerner. They have to be stopped now they are dedicated and will not stop. If it is war that will stop them the west needs to seriously consider it
thomasquinn 32989
[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Jefffabiano wrote:[/b]
Well they did it again they executed the second journalist and are threatening to kill a british journalist [/QUOTE]
Beyond this horrific act, I don't know what is most terrifying - their barbarism or the fact that their barbarism seems to be a successful recruiting tool.
[/QUOTE]
Until you stop to look at the actual numbers. Even from Saudi Arabia, where it wasn't even illegal to join an organization like IS until last February, there are only a few hundred idiots who joined IS. The whole of Europe has provided a similar number. For the most part, IS seems to consist of Saddam Hussein-loyalists from the Iraqi military who gladly use imbecilic fundis as cannon-fodder. That does not make them any less disturbing, but the 'massive influx' of recruits needs to be put into perspective - less than 0.1% of the Islamic population (in most cases about 0.01%) is joining IS or similar groups like Al Nusra. To put it into perspective: during World War II, in the occupied countries, rougly 0.6% of the population joined the SS. That's about 60x as many volunteers as for all Islamic terrorist groups combined!
[QUOTE] [b]Jefffabiano wrote:[/b]
Well they did it again they executed the second journalist and are threatening to kill a british journalist [/QUOTE]
Beyond this horrific act, I don't know what is most terrifying - their barbarism or the fact that their barbarism seems to be a successful recruiting tool.
[/QUOTE]
Until you stop to look at the actual numbers. Even from Saudi Arabia, where it wasn't even illegal to join an organization like IS until last February, there are only a few hundred idiots who joined IS. The whole of Europe has provided a similar number. For the most part, IS seems to consist of Saddam Hussein-loyalists from the Iraqi military who gladly use imbecilic fundis as cannon-fodder. That does not make them any less disturbing, but the 'massive influx' of recruits needs to be put into perspective - less than 0.1% of the Islamic population (in most cases about 0.01%) is joining IS or similar groups like Al Nusra. To put it into perspective: during World War II, in the occupied countries, rougly 0.6% of the population joined the SS. That's about 60x as many volunteers as for all Islamic terrorist groups combined!
magicalfreddiemercury
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Jefffabiano wrote:[/b]
Well they did it again they executed the second journalist and are threatening to kill a british journalist [/QUOTE]
Beyond this horrific act, I don't know what is most terrifying - their barbarism or the fact that their barbarism seems to be a successful recruiting tool.
[/QUOTE]
Until you stop to look at the actual numbers. Even from Saudi Arabia, where it wasn't even illegal to join an organization like IS until last February, there are only a few hundred idiots who joined IS. The whole of Europe has provided a similar number. For the most part, IS seems to consist of Saddam Hussein-loyalists from the Iraqi military who gladly use imbecilic fundis as cannon-fodder. That does not make them any less disturbing, but the 'massive influx' of recruits needs to be put into perspective - less than 0.1% of the Islamic population (in most cases about 0.01%) is joining IS or similar groups like Al Nusra. To put it into perspective: during World War II, in the occupied countries, rougly 0.6% of the population joined the SS. That's about 60x as many volunteers as for all Islamic terrorist groups combined! [/QUOTE]
I'll admit, this is - somewhat - comforting. However, a report on BBC yesterday indicated that many Muslims in the UK support ISIS. I don't know what constitutes 'many' but the fact that citizens in the West (including some in the US) are attracted to this group and its terror, and say so quite openly, is frightening and disturbing.
There is no true comparison, yet I can't help think of the Ebola crisis and how a single breakaway patient can cause untold horrors elsewhere. It doesn't take thousands upon thousands to wreak havoc. One well-placed act by one person can harm or kill scores of innocent people.
[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Jefffabiano wrote:[/b]
Well they did it again they executed the second journalist and are threatening to kill a british journalist [/QUOTE]
Beyond this horrific act, I don't know what is most terrifying - their barbarism or the fact that their barbarism seems to be a successful recruiting tool.
[/QUOTE]
Until you stop to look at the actual numbers. Even from Saudi Arabia, where it wasn't even illegal to join an organization like IS until last February, there are only a few hundred idiots who joined IS. The whole of Europe has provided a similar number. For the most part, IS seems to consist of Saddam Hussein-loyalists from the Iraqi military who gladly use imbecilic fundis as cannon-fodder. That does not make them any less disturbing, but the 'massive influx' of recruits needs to be put into perspective - less than 0.1% of the Islamic population (in most cases about 0.01%) is joining IS or similar groups like Al Nusra. To put it into perspective: during World War II, in the occupied countries, rougly 0.6% of the population joined the SS. That's about 60x as many volunteers as for all Islamic terrorist groups combined! [/QUOTE]
I'll admit, this is - somewhat - comforting. However, a report on BBC yesterday indicated that many Muslims in the UK support ISIS. I don't know what constitutes 'many' but the fact that citizens in the West (including some in the US) are attracted to this group and its terror, and say so quite openly, is frightening and disturbing.
There is no true comparison, yet I can't help think of the Ebola crisis and how a single breakaway patient can cause untold horrors elsewhere. It doesn't take thousands upon thousands to wreak havoc. One well-placed act by one person can harm or kill scores of innocent people.
Doga
[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]
I'll admit, this is - somewhat - comforting. However, a report on BBC yesterday indicated that many Muslims in the UK support ISIS.[/QUOTE]
You're saying it: [b]many[/b].
How much are many? What percentage is many? And how they know many support ISIS? They went with a microphone asking: Hey pal, you support ISIS? You want us all dead?
Indeed ISIS are monsters, but they are just a group of poor devils, there are many monsters out there and they look much more friendly, and of course they are able to manipulate the news and the politicians.
I'll admit, this is - somewhat - comforting. However, a report on BBC yesterday indicated that many Muslims in the UK support ISIS.[/QUOTE]
You're saying it: [b]many[/b].
How much are many? What percentage is many? And how they know many support ISIS? They went with a microphone asking: Hey pal, you support ISIS? You want us all dead?
Indeed ISIS are monsters, but they are just a group of poor devils, there are many monsters out there and they look much more friendly, and of course they are able to manipulate the news and the politicians.
magicalfreddiemercury
[QUOTE] [b]Doga wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]
I'll admit, this is - somewhat - comforting. However, a report on BBC yesterday indicated that many Muslims in the UK support ISIS.[/QUOTE]
You're saying it: [b]many[/b].
How much are many? What percentage is many? And how they know many support ISIS? They went with a microphone asking: Hey pal, you support ISIS? You want us all dead?
Indeed ISIS are monsters, but they are just a group of poor devils, there are many monsters out there and they look much more friendly, and of course they are able to manipulate the news and the politicians.[/QUOTE]
"Many" more condemn ISIS than support it, but that's not the point. They have the world's attention and while a great majority of people abhor their actions, their violence and power has attracted others to join them. That is what's so disturbing. And they're not simply manipulating the news and politicians. They're kidnapping people, slaughtering them, selling women and young girls... and recruiting more barbarians in the process. Whether they are a small band of psychopaths or "a group of poor devils" (?), they pose a great danger not only in Iraq and Syria, but around the world as they rouse the same sick desires in others.
[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]
I'll admit, this is - somewhat - comforting. However, a report on BBC yesterday indicated that many Muslims in the UK support ISIS.[/QUOTE]
You're saying it: [b]many[/b].
How much are many? What percentage is many? And how they know many support ISIS? They went with a microphone asking: Hey pal, you support ISIS? You want us all dead?
Indeed ISIS are monsters, but they are just a group of poor devils, there are many monsters out there and they look much more friendly, and of course they are able to manipulate the news and the politicians.[/QUOTE]
"Many" more condemn ISIS than support it, but that's not the point. They have the world's attention and while a great majority of people abhor their actions, their violence and power has attracted others to join them. That is what's so disturbing. And they're not simply manipulating the news and politicians. They're kidnapping people, slaughtering them, selling women and young girls... and recruiting more barbarians in the process. Whether they are a small band of psychopaths or "a group of poor devils" (?), they pose a great danger not only in Iraq and Syria, but around the world as they rouse the same sick desires in others.
Doga
You are not getting the point. ISIS, and a few more terrorist are not the ones manipulating the news and the politicians, mainstream media tell ISIS is killing and kidnping people because some obscure groups want you to know ISIS is evil and disturbing (and of course they are) but how many people are murdered and kidnaped in the world every day?
ISIS is in the news because some people want to tell the message the muslims and the middle eastern people are evil, and they will kill all the good western people if they could. That is call state of fear. An external enemy is one of the best ways to unite people, that is a well known tactic, older than feudalism.
ISIS is in the news because some people want to tell the message the muslims and the middle eastern people are evil, and they will kill all the good western people if they could. That is call state of fear. An external enemy is one of the best ways to unite people, that is a well known tactic, older than feudalism.
magicalfreddiemercury
[QUOTE] [b]Doga wrote:[/b]
You are not getting the point. ISIS, and a few more terrorist are not the ones manipulating the news and the politicians, mainstream media tell ISIS is killing and kidnping people because some obscure groups want you to know ISIS is evil and disturbing (and of course they are) but how many people are murdered and kidnaped in the world every day?
ISIS is in the news because some people want to tell the message the muslims and the middle eastern people are evil, and they will kill all the good western people if they could. That is call state of fear. An external enemy is one of the best ways to unite people, that is a well known tactic, older than feudalism.
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The point, as I see it, is that while there are kidnappings, tortures and murders every day by random people or unified groups, this one is actively seeking to - and succeeding at - bringing people into the fold. The power they exude is contagious to some, it's attractive, it's something they want to be part of. That is what's so upsetting to me.
You are not getting the point. ISIS, and a few more terrorist are not the ones manipulating the news and the politicians, mainstream media tell ISIS is killing and kidnping people because some obscure groups want you to know ISIS is evil and disturbing (and of course they are) but how many people are murdered and kidnaped in the world every day?
ISIS is in the news because some people want to tell the message the muslims and the middle eastern people are evil, and they will kill all the good western people if they could. That is call state of fear. An external enemy is one of the best ways to unite people, that is a well known tactic, older than feudalism.
[/QUOTE]
The point, as I see it, is that while there are kidnappings, tortures and murders every day by random people or unified groups, this one is actively seeking to - and succeeding at - bringing people into the fold. The power they exude is contagious to some, it's attractive, it's something they want to be part of. That is what's so upsetting to me.
YourValentine
[QUOTE] [b]Doga wrote:[/b]
You are not getting the point. ISIS, and a few more terrorist are not the ones manipulating the news and the politicians, mainstream media tell ISIS is killing and kidnping people because some obscure groups want you to know ISIS is evil and disturbing (and of course they are) but how many people are murdered and kidnaped in the world every day?
ISIS is in the news because some people want to tell the message the muslims and the middle eastern people are evil, and they will kill all the good western people if they could. That is call state of fear. An external enemy is one of the best ways to unite people, that is a well known tactic, older than feudalism.
[/QUOTE]
If they would attack your city you would speak quite a different language. I do not know which "obscure groups" you are referring to but your conspiracy theory is totally misplaced in this case. I have not seen a single mainstream media outlet blaming the normal average Muslim for the ISIS massacres.
You are not getting the point. ISIS, and a few more terrorist are not the ones manipulating the news and the politicians, mainstream media tell ISIS is killing and kidnping people because some obscure groups want you to know ISIS is evil and disturbing (and of course they are) but how many people are murdered and kidnaped in the world every day?
ISIS is in the news because some people want to tell the message the muslims and the middle eastern people are evil, and they will kill all the good western people if they could. That is call state of fear. An external enemy is one of the best ways to unite people, that is a well known tactic, older than feudalism.
[/QUOTE]
If they would attack your city you would speak quite a different language. I do not know which "obscure groups" you are referring to but your conspiracy theory is totally misplaced in this case. I have not seen a single mainstream media outlet blaming the normal average Muslim for the ISIS massacres.
Doga
[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
If they would attack your city you would speak quite a different language. [/QUOTE]
Of course. I'm not trying to defend ISIS or any other terrorist group, if that is what you understood, i apologise. I'm trying to say there are people more dangerous out there, they don't kill anybody, but they press the buttons to make other people kill. As the topic started wisely said ISIS as barbarians, simply and plain,
[QUOTE]I have not seen a single mainstream media outlet blaming the normal average Muslim for the ISIS massacres.
[/QUOTE]
And they don't need it. People en masse are stupid. Tell everytime you can an extreme muslim group call ISIS is killing people and a lot of people will panic and when asked they will say: muslims? oh yeah that people who kill our boys.
ISIS are dangerous, but i'm more worried about the ebola, for example, the amount of people who die DAILY in Africa for starvation, the state terrorism of Israel and Russia, the environment damage, the nuclear energy... these are far more dangerous treats than ISIS, but of course, telling in the news that a small group of bandits decapitated one person in the desert is more shocking.
EDIT: With this post looks like i don't care for these journalists, and of course i care, war is horrible and in a perfect world we didn't have ISIS, of course. But the media are using that tragic deaths as smoke curtain.
If they would attack your city you would speak quite a different language. [/QUOTE]
Of course. I'm not trying to defend ISIS or any other terrorist group, if that is what you understood, i apologise. I'm trying to say there are people more dangerous out there, they don't kill anybody, but they press the buttons to make other people kill. As the topic started wisely said ISIS as barbarians, simply and plain,
[QUOTE]I have not seen a single mainstream media outlet blaming the normal average Muslim for the ISIS massacres.
[/QUOTE]
And they don't need it. People en masse are stupid. Tell everytime you can an extreme muslim group call ISIS is killing people and a lot of people will panic and when asked they will say: muslims? oh yeah that people who kill our boys.
ISIS are dangerous, but i'm more worried about the ebola, for example, the amount of people who die DAILY in Africa for starvation, the state terrorism of Israel and Russia, the environment damage, the nuclear energy... these are far more dangerous treats than ISIS, but of course, telling in the news that a small group of bandits decapitated one person in the desert is more shocking.
EDIT: With this post looks like i don't care for these journalists, and of course i care, war is horrible and in a perfect world we didn't have ISIS, of course. But the media are using that tragic deaths as smoke curtain.
magicalfreddiemercury
[QUOTE] [b]Doga wrote:[/b]
ISIS are dangerous, but i'm more worried about the ebola, for example, the amount of people who die DAILY in Africa for starvation, the state terrorism of Israel and Russia, the environment damage, the nuclear energy... [/QUOTE]
Concern for one issue doesn't imply indifference toward others.
As for the rest, so what? Because ignorant people will draw their own warped conclusions about a topic, that topic shouldn't be reported? You mention being more worried about Ebola. Well, in Liberia just last month, a group of rather ill-informed men attacked the quarantine center, chasing off security personnel, doctors and highly contagious patients. Why? Because they believed the whole Ebola concern was a hoax. Should the media now remain silent about Ebola? The Republican Party in the US insists environmental issues have nothing to do with man's behaviors, and they say those who believe it favor big-government restrictions. Because of that, they've gone out of their way to block attempts to slow the destruction of our air and water. Should the media not report on climate change because of that? As for ISIS, it IS a group of extremist Muslim men. They're using threats, violence and their religion as a means to gain power and control over as many people and territories as possible. Those are the facts. They should be reported, followed closely, debated openly and dealt with directly. If people get it wrong, it won't be the first time and it will probably make the news as well, but it will not alter the horrific facts nor make them any less worthy of reporting.
ISIS are dangerous, but i'm more worried about the ebola, for example, the amount of people who die DAILY in Africa for starvation, the state terrorism of Israel and Russia, the environment damage, the nuclear energy... [/QUOTE]
Concern for one issue doesn't imply indifference toward others.
As for the rest, so what? Because ignorant people will draw their own warped conclusions about a topic, that topic shouldn't be reported? You mention being more worried about Ebola. Well, in Liberia just last month, a group of rather ill-informed men attacked the quarantine center, chasing off security personnel, doctors and highly contagious patients. Why? Because they believed the whole Ebola concern was a hoax. Should the media now remain silent about Ebola? The Republican Party in the US insists environmental issues have nothing to do with man's behaviors, and they say those who believe it favor big-government restrictions. Because of that, they've gone out of their way to block attempts to slow the destruction of our air and water. Should the media not report on climate change because of that? As for ISIS, it IS a group of extremist Muslim men. They're using threats, violence and their religion as a means to gain power and control over as many people and territories as possible. Those are the facts. They should be reported, followed closely, debated openly and dealt with directly. If people get it wrong, it won't be the first time and it will probably make the news as well, but it will not alter the horrific facts nor make them any less worthy of reporting.