In my opinion few years after Q+AL will end people will forget about it just like everyone seems to forget about Q+PR even though they recorded the album!
Lambert will be Lambert - a solo artist, just like Paul Rodgers is now Paul Rodgers, and Queen will be remembered as Queen (Brian, Freddie, John, Roger)
Now it is just several years collaboration. I imagine that after it ends Queen will remain Queen and after 20,30 years of solo career only handful of people are gonna say about Lambert 'this is that guy from Queen'
Togg · Member since
Nothing can alter the legacy of what was created decades ago, the only way that history could be tarnished is if Freddie was suddenly uncovered as some form of major crimial and the World viewed him in a different light.
But let me say this, he (Freddie) did plently of things along the way that could have destroyed is reputation and legacy, nevermind the drug taking and partying, he performed so poorly in a number of shows during the mid 80's forgetting lyrics and being drunk on stage.... New Zealand for one, I saw them in 84, and frankly it was terrible, he sang off key, he didn;t seem to want to be there and the sound was horrendous, not a patch on the earlier concerts I'd seen and thankfully nothing like the 86 tour. He composed appauling tracks like Body Language and lost the band the US market by appearing on stage in drag, and took the band to South Africa to play during apparthied
So before you say Adam is ruining the legacy, those of us who were fans back in the early days saw much more that could be described as ruining the legacy first hand from Freddie, So far I've only seen Adam, doing his best to pay tribute to him, sing with passion and pay homage to classic Queen..... not exactly what I'd call runining a legacy.
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]AL has a substantially better voice than Gary Cherone, but Gary Cherone has Freddie Mercury's spirit.[/QUOTE]
Not to my ears. Cherone's voice was / is pleasant enough. Lambert's voice, on the other hand, is shrill and harsh, and grates on me.
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Invisible Woman wrote:[/b]
I say again,I don't think that Adam will be ruin anything.He is good singer,he looks good,I like his songs but
when I say "he is not Freddie" it's not just a phrase.I was 14 years old when Freddie died.A lot of time has passed,I know,but I love Queen and Queen songs when Freddie sing in his own way.He is unique.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say Lambert looks good either. He looks tacky. Worse than ever before from what I've seen of him on this new tour too.
On an another note, one of the more annoying things about Lambert fans is they can't seem to cope with people voicing their opinion if it differs from their own; telling Queen fans (who don't like the Queen+ Lambert collaboration) to "go elsewhere", "shut up", or "keep your opinion to yourself" etc.
There's a lot of that on the official Queen facebook page now. Many people like that page because they like Queen, but not necessarily Queen+, so varying opinions are to be expected.
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]RS_Protos wrote:[/b]
"Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. "
Thank you, that's my feeling exactly, that's what I hate the most[/QUOTE]
How many times did you see Freddie live?
[/QUOTE]
I know you didn't ask me this question, but I don't think being there in person or seeing footage of concerts makes that much odds in the sense that footage on YouTube tells you all you need to know.
Many artists have off nights. But if you don't much like the sound of the artist on YouTube, they're not going to be an improvement at the actual show.
I saw Queen+ Lambert in 2012. But I went there to see Roger and Brian, not Lambert. His voice is just as shrill in real life as it is on YouTube.
Day dop · Member since
Repeated post (deleted).
Togg · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]RS_Protos wrote:[/b]
"Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. "
Thank you, that's my feeling exactly, that's what I hate the most[/QUOTE]
How many times did you see Freddie live?
[/QUOTE]
I know you didn't ask me this question, but I don't think being there in person or seeing footage of concerts makes that much odds in the sense that footage on YouTube tells you all you need to know.
Many artists have off nights. But if you don't much like the sound of the artist on YouTube, they're not going to be an improvement at the actual show.
I saw Queen+ Lambert in 2012. But I went there to see Roger and Brian, not Lambert. His voice is just as shrill in real life as it is on YouTube.[/QUOTE]
I totally disagree, firstly with regard to DVD footage, it's all been highly edited to show the best possible performance, secondly YouTube is really not the best way to judge an artist, fine you get a sense of what is happening but the sound quality and picture quality is crap, thirdly, seeing someone perform in the fleash is 100% different to watching it on TV or computer, you are part of the crowd, they are speaking to you, you are part of that performance, you get caught up in the emotion of the night, it's so totally different to watching on a screen.
My point is if you never saw Freddie live you really never saw him fully, same goes for Adam, I see a lot of people here moaning about the fact that Adam is no Freddie, yet they never saw Freddie and they haven't seen Adam....??? Freddie was amazing when I first saw him, pretty crap in the middle of his career at times and amazing at the end, yet youtube doesnt show that... Adam was pretty rough at the start of this joining with Queen, but after 5 years he's much much better and actually he sits way better in the band that Paul Rodgers did the man who aledgedly has THE rock voice
At his best nobody can top Freddie, that I've seen, yet at his worst he was pretty average some nights, when Adam has done 20 years of this it will be interesting to see how he has grown, as a performer.
But fundimentally don't believe if you've seen them on youtube you've seen them.... you haven't
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]RS_Protos wrote:[/b]
"Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. "
Thank you, that's my feeling exactly, that's what I hate the most[/QUOTE]
How many times did you see Freddie live?
[/QUOTE]
I know you didn't ask me this question, but I don't think being there in person or seeing footage of concerts makes that much odds in the sense that footage on YouTube tells you all you need to know.
Many artists have off nights. But if you don't much like the sound of the artist on YouTube, they're not going to be an improvement at the actual show.
I saw Queen+ Lambert in 2012. But I went there to see Roger and Brian, not Lambert. His voice is just as shrill in real life as it is on YouTube.[/QUOTE]
I totally disagree, firstly with regard to DVD footage, it's all been highly edited to show the best possible performance, secondly YouTube is really not the best way to judge an artist, fine you get a sense of what is happening but the sound quality and picture quality is crap, thirdly, seeing someone perform in the fleash is 100% different to watching it on TV or computer, you are part of the crowd, they are speaking to you, you are part of that performance, you get caught up in the emotion of the night, it's so totally different to watching on a screen.
My point is if you never saw Freddie live you really never saw him fully, same goes for Adam, I see a lot of people here moaning about the fact that Adam is no Freddie, yet they never saw Freddie and they haven't seen Adam....??? Freddie was amazing when I first saw him, pretty crap in the middle of his career at times and amazing at the end, yet youtube doesnt show that... Adam was pretty rough at the start of this joining with Queen, but after 5 years he's much much better and actually he sits way better in the band that Paul Rodgers did the man who aledgedly has THE rock voice
At his best nobody can top Freddie, that I've seen, yet at his worst he was pretty average some nights, when Adam has done 20 years of this it will be interesting to see how he has grown, as a performer.
But fundimentally don't believe if you've seen them on youtube you've seen them.... you haven't
[/QUOTE]
I wasn't talking about DVD footage though. There's many many concerts on YouTube which haven't had, nor will they ever likely get a DVD release. But I guess we disagree. For me, whether watching it on YouTube or live at the time, you know whether you like that voice and their style or performance.
I don't think Lambert will ever go down as one of the all time greats. He lacks authenticity, and that voice just grates as far as I'm concerned. I'd take a bad Freddie performance on an off night a thousand times over Lambert (because for me, Lambert's voice is irritatingly harsh and shrill). From what I see now, he's much the same as he was 5 years ago.
No matter what he does, he can't improve enough to appeal to me, in style, or voice. Both his voice and style would dramatically have to change in order for that.
Having seen Lambert on live on YouTube and live in real life, there's nothing in it either way. It's louder at a concert (if you don't turn up your headphones too much at home), and there's an atmosphere there as you're at an event, but that doesn't make his performance / singing any better or worse than what you'd see on YouTube.
Saint Jiub · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]RS_Protos wrote:[/b]
"Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. "
Thank you, that's my feeling exactly, that's what I hate the most[/QUOTE]
How many times did you see Freddie live?
[/QUOTE]
I know you didn't ask me this question, but I don't think being there in person or seeing footage of concerts makes that much odds in the sense that footage on YouTube tells you all you need to know.
Many artists have off nights. But if you don't much like the sound of the artist on YouTube, they're not going to be an improvement at the actual show.
I saw Queen+ Lambert in 2012. But I went there to see Roger and Brian, not Lambert. His voice is just as shrill in real life as it is on YouTube.[/QUOTE]
I totally disagree, firstly with regard to DVD footage, it's all been highly edited to show the best possible performance, secondly YouTube is really not the best way to judge an artist, fine you get a sense of what is happening but the sound quality and picture quality is crap, thirdly, seeing someone perform in the fleash is 100% different to watching it on TV or computer, you are part of the crowd, they are speaking to you, you are part of that performance, you get caught up in the emotion of the night, it's so totally different to watching on a screen.
My point is if you never saw Freddie live you really never saw him fully, same goes for Adam, I see a lot of people here moaning about the fact that Adam is no Freddie, yet they never saw Freddie and they haven't seen Adam....??? Freddie was amazing when I first saw him, pretty crap in the middle of his career at times and amazing at the end, yet youtube doesnt show that... Adam was pretty rough at the start of this joining with Queen, but after 5 years he's much much better and actually he sits way better in the band that Paul Rodgers did the man who aledgedly has THE rock voice
At his best nobody can top Freddie, that I've seen, yet at his worst he was pretty average some nights, when Adam has done 20 years of this it will be interesting to see how he has grown, as a performer.
But fundimentally don't believe if you've seen them on youtube you've seen them.... you haven't
[/QUOTE]
I hope your nose isn't too big. Otherwise you'll get double vision from looking down upon the pathetic masses who have never seen Freddie live.
Invisible Woman · Member since
I think that everyone has the right to an opinion.
I like the discussions if they are without insult and I respect everybody's opinions even when they are completely against my opinion.
I do not think it's pathetic that someone loves Freddie more than Adam although not never attended his concert.Not everyone could have this opportunity.
Many were small children or were not born while Freddie was alive but thanks to You Tube the young generations knows and loves Queen and Freddie,so this is not a very irrelevant thing.
For me Freddie is number one but I also have respect for Adam Lambert because he accepted a difficult task.
If there was a vote "Freddie or Adam" my voice would have gone to Freddie,of course.
I have nothing more to say on this topic, that's it.
chewy123 · Member since
look im as critical as the rest of you but compared to 2014 i thought Lambert has vastly improved. Face up to it or not, this is the band now. No Freddie, No John Deacon.
i was hard stage left standing between Brian, and Brian's vox system.
as a 36 yr old american who got way into queen starting early 90s, can you understand for one minute how insane it was to be standing right next to brians vox system with brian right in front of me playing HAMMER TO FALL.
When brians tech brought it out pre show, i was right there in back of him, i shouted over just 5 or 6 ft: """"IS THAT NOT A COPY""""" (shakes head no)....."""THATS IT???"""" (shakes head yes).........i was crying dog!!! there it was, the red fucking special, every album, almost every song, every concert.
Stone Cold Crazy brought things back as far as they went this time. of course thats my only complaint that they didnt do anything from QUEEN 1 (or more realistically II or more from SHA)....i mean Queen 1 is by far their best. but thats not here nor there what im telling you is everyone working the tour knew it wasnt just another Styx 2017 us tour, this was a special situation, working for this band, at this time. Queen are back, as far as im concerned, and i wish i had the $$$ to go on tour and see more than 2 shows.
did you hear how they did "its late" and "SPREAD YOUR WINGS"........ if you think, for one minute, that i ever thought id hear brian my shred SPREAD YOUR WINGS in 2017? you got to be kidding me, it was in-freaking-credible.
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]chewy123 wrote:[/b]
look im as critical as the rest of you but compared to 2014 i thought Lambert has vastly improved. Face up to it or not, this is the band now. No Freddie, No John Deacon.
[/QUOTE]
I don't see how Lambert has improved. His voice is just as shrill. In fact, he looks more cringe-worthy and tacky on this tour than ever.
The whole set up is odd really. Two guys in their late 60s, with a much younger guy filling in as a singer and someone or the other on bass, doing songs from when Queen were Queen, when they did new material and didn't go under the Queen+ banner.
It's as if May and Taylor are in their own tribute band.
Togg · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]RS_Protos wrote:[/b]
"Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. "
Thank you, that's my feeling exactly, that's what I hate the most[/QUOTE]
How many times did you see Freddie live?
[/QUOTE]
I know you didn't ask me this question, but I don't think being there in person or seeing footage of concerts makes that much odds in the sense that footage on YouTube tells you all you need to know.
Many artists have off nights. But if you don't much like the sound of the artist on YouTube, they're not going to be an improvement at the actual show.
I saw Queen+ Lambert in 2012. But I went there to see Roger and Brian, not Lambert. His voice is just as shrill in real life as it is on YouTube.[/QUOTE]
I totally disagree, firstly with regard to DVD footage, it's all been highly edited to show the best possible performance, secondly YouTube is really not the best way to judge an artist, fine you get a sense of what is happening but the sound quality and picture quality is crap, thirdly, seeing someone perform in the fleash is 100% different to watching it on TV or computer, you are part of the crowd, they are speaking to you, you are part of that performance, you get caught up in the emotion of the night, it's so totally different to watching on a screen.
My point is if you never saw Freddie live you really never saw him fully, same goes for Adam, I see a lot of people here moaning about the fact that Adam is no Freddie, yet they never saw Freddie and they haven't seen Adam....??? Freddie was amazing when I first saw him, pretty crap in the middle of his career at times and amazing at the end, yet youtube doesnt show that... Adam was pretty rough at the start of this joining with Queen, but after 5 years he's much much better and actually he sits way better in the band that Paul Rodgers did the man who aledgedly has THE rock voice
At his best nobody can top Freddie, that I've seen, yet at his worst he was pretty average some nights, when Adam has done 20 years of this it will be interesting to see how he has grown, as a performer.
But fundimentally don't believe if you've seen them on youtube you've seen them.... you haven't
[/QUOTE]
I wasn't talking about DVD footage though. There's many many concerts on YouTube which haven't had, nor will they ever likely get a DVD release. But I guess we disagree. For me, whether watching it on YouTube or live at the time, you know whether you like that voice and their style or performance.
I don't think Lambert will ever go down as one of the all time greats. He lacks authenticity, and that voice just grates as far as I'm concerned. I'd take a bad Freddie performance on an off night a thousand times over Lambert (because for me, Lambert's voice is irritatingly harsh and shrill). From what I see now, he's much the same as he was 5 years ago.
No matter what he does, he can't improve enough to appeal to me, in style, or voice. Both his voice and style would dramatically have to change in order for that.
Having seen Lambert on live on YouTube and live in real life, there's nothing in it either way. It's louder at a concert (if you don't turn up your headphones too much at home), and there's an atmosphere there as you're at an event, but that doesn't make his performance / singing any better or worse than what you'd see on YouTube.[/QUOTE]
I understand that you simply don't like him and that wont change by seeing him live, but I think you are missing something if you feel a concert is simply louder live, if that's the case then why bother going to see anybody? watch it all on YouTube.
I've never seen anything on YouTube that compares to watching a live show and being part of it, actually hearing the vocal and instruments live is totally different
I'm sadened that some don't feel that these days, but then we have gone to a world where artists spend hundreds of thousands in a high quality studio recording music and we all listen to it on a phone... so I guess it's to be expected
Togg · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]RS_Protos wrote:[/b]
"Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. "
Thank you, that's my feeling exactly, that's what I hate the most[/QUOTE]
How many times did you see Freddie live?
[/QUOTE]
I know you didn't ask me this question, but I don't think being there in person or seeing footage of concerts makes that much odds in the sense that footage on YouTube tells you all you need to know.
Many artists have off nights. But if you don't much like the sound of the artist on YouTube, they're not going to be an improvement at the actual show.
I saw Queen+ Lambert in 2012. But I went there to see Roger and Brian, not Lambert. His voice is just as shrill in real life as it is on YouTube.[/QUOTE]
I totally disagree, firstly with regard to DVD footage, it's all been highly edited to show the best possible performance, secondly YouTube is really not the best way to judge an artist, fine you get a sense of what is happening but the sound quality and picture quality is crap, thirdly, seeing someone perform in the fleash is 100% different to watching it on TV or computer, you are part of the crowd, they are speaking to you, you are part of that performance, you get caught up in the emotion of the night, it's so totally different to watching on a screen.
My point is if you never saw Freddie live you really never saw him fully, same goes for Adam, I see a lot of people here moaning about the fact that Adam is no Freddie, yet they never saw Freddie and they haven't seen Adam....??? Freddie was amazing when I first saw him, pretty crap in the middle of his career at times and amazing at the end, yet youtube doesnt show that... Adam was pretty rough at the start of this joining with Queen, but after 5 years he's much much better and actually he sits way better in the band that Paul Rodgers did the man who aledgedly has THE rock voice
At his best nobody can top Freddie, that I've seen, yet at his worst he was pretty average some nights, when Adam has done 20 years of this it will be interesting to see how he has grown, as a performer.
But fundimentally don't believe if you've seen them on youtube you've seen them.... you haven't
[/QUOTE]
I hope your nose isn't too big. Otherwise you'll get double vision from looking down upon the pathetic masses who have never seen Freddie live.
[/QUOTE]
I think you are missing the point, but whatever, sure these days there's only a few of us here that actually saw Queen during that period, bought the records as the were released and grew up with them, so I do feel there is more understanding of the band from there that you don't get by reading about it online...
It's simply an age thing, but sorry if somebody tells you YouTube is the same as seeing something live.... well that kind of says it all really.... nonesense, at that rate we will all end up like the humans in WALL-E
Togg · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]chewy123 wrote:[/b]
look im as critical as the rest of you but compared to 2014 i thought Lambert has vastly improved. Face up to it or not, this is the band now. No Freddie, No John Deacon.
i was hard stage left standing between Brian, and Brian's vox system.
as a 36 yr old american who got way into queen starting early 90s, can you understand for one minute how insane it was to be standing right next to brians vox system with brian right in front of me playing HAMMER TO FALL.
When brians tech brought it out pre show, i was right there in back of him, i shouted over just 5 or 6 ft: """"IS THAT NOT A COPY""""" (shakes head no)....."""THATS IT???"""" (shakes head yes).........i was crying dog!!! there it was, the red fucking special, every album, almost every song, every concert.
Stone Cold Crazy brought things back as far as they went this time. of course thats my only complaint that they didnt do anything from QUEEN 1 (or more realistically II or more from SHA)....i mean Queen 1 is by far their best. but thats not here nor there what im telling you is everyone working the tour knew it wasnt just another Styx 2017 us tour, this was a special situation, working for this band, at this time. Queen are back, as far as im concerned, and i wish i had the $$$ to go on tour and see more than 2 shows.
did you hear how they did "its late" and "SPREAD YOUR WINGS"........ if you think, for one minute, that i ever thought id hear brian my shred SPREAD YOUR WINGS in 2017? you got to be kidding me, it was in-freaking-credible. [/QUOTE]
And that is exactly my point, the sheer excitment of seeing someone like Brian playing the original Red Special live... you can't beat it... the tone is simply not close on laptop or PC speakers, you have to hear it live to really hear it
I'm not being a snob or agest... it's simply the facts, just as when someone tells you that you don't know what war was like by watching Tom Hanks in Saving Private Ryan... of course you don't.
So glad you got to see Brian play live and hear 'That' tone
