Adam Lambert is gonna ruin Queen legacy??

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>And that is exactly my point, the sheer excitment of seeing someone like Brian playing the original Red Special live... you can't beat it..

Have you ever seen Only Fools And Horses? Please put "Trigger's Broom" into a YouTube search:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUl6PooveJE

Very good... but not really what we are talking about here unless you are saying Brian is no longer Brian and the guitar is no longer the same guitar....

Now if your saying Queen is no longer Queen, fine, so how can a legacy be destroyed if they no longer excist? You can't undo what went before.

It's unthinkable to compare film and war.
I get the impression that there is some sort of discrimination against those who could not watch live shows(they could not or did not want it for various reasons).It's a little bit sad to me for that.
Of course, I'm not saying that watching live is the same as watcing on DVD or You Tube.I agree that this is not the same but that does not mean I can not make a conclusion based on what is available to me.
This has turned into another topic, but I also have nothing more to add to this as well as the original topic.
I apologize for giving myself the right to write something on this subject.

This has nothing to do with discrimination... what are you talking about? It's a simple fact that experiencing something in person is very different to watching it on YouTube... sorry if that offends you but it's a fact, it has nothing to do with people not being alive at the time of the original concerts or not being able to go for wantever reason, Sure you get a flavor of what a concert is like on a pc screen but it's very different, much as reading a book about a historical event is not the same as being there, it's not discrimination for crying out loud it's just a fact of life.
I'm not saying you can't draw a conclusion of course you can, but I am saying you don't have the full facts and so you can only reach a concusion based on limited experience. Now that's fine for many people, and they will continue to argue with only second hand knowledge... but I perfer to base my opinon on bands by seeing them in the flesh, watching the way the interact with the crowd, how well they play, how the sound is, and the most important aspect the vibe in the room...

I'll give you a recent example, Ed Sheeran at Glastonbury, on TV it came over as rather bland and maybe not headline material, yet everyone I've spoken to that was there said it was amazing and he totally rocked it... go figure, must have something to do with the vibe at the time

Watching something on a screen is in no way close to being there...

^^^ agree totally.

I remember many years ago, having been to a few of the dates on The Crazy tour watching TV footage of Hammersmith (the original Concert For Kampuchea) and thinking there was something missing. No live recording/filming really captures the moment in the same way your senses do being there.

On the subject of Lambert ruining the bands legacy. If any one thinks that playing a string of dates can ruin a recorded legacy that goes back 44 years they must think that legacy is worth shit all to start with!

Oh no, I'm not offended. I just said I was under such an impression.I can not be so easily offended.
Maybe I used the wrong word, sorry.If I offended someone that it was not my intention, sorry again.
I wanted to say that the fact that I did not have the opportunity to watch Queen live does not make me a less important fan of their music, and you who had that opportunity greater.
I had the impression that you look at us like that, as if we were irrelevant fans.
I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.
Oh, this time I really stop writing here.
Just this, the most important thing is that Queen have fans all over the world who love their music, music that will continue to live for a long time.

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"Queen's history can't be undone, but unfortunately, Lambert will always be associated with Queen now and vice versa, therefore most likely at the back end of any book about Queen, and perhaps any possible future documentaries that are made. I don't much like it, as I find Lambert to be cringe-worthy. "

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How many times did you see Freddie live?

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I know you didn't ask me this question, but I don't think being there in person or seeing footage of concerts makes that much odds in the sense that footage on YouTube tells you all you need to know.

Many artists have off nights. But if you don't much like the sound of the artist on YouTube, they're not going to be an improvement at the actual show.
I saw Queen+ Lambert in 2012. But I went there to see Roger and Brian, not Lambert. His voice is just as shrill in real life as it is on YouTube.[/QUOTE]

I totally disagree, firstly with regard to DVD footage, it's all been highly edited to show the best possible performance, secondly YouTube is really not the best way to judge an artist, fine you get a sense of what is happening but the sound quality and picture quality is crap, thirdly, seeing someone perform in the fleash is 100% different to watching it on TV or computer, you are part of the crowd, they are speaking to you, you are part of that performance, you get caught up in the emotion of the night, it's so totally different to watching on a screen.

My point is if you never saw Freddie live you really never saw him fully, same goes for Adam, I see a lot of people here moaning about the fact that Adam is no Freddie, yet they never saw Freddie and they haven't seen Adam....??? Freddie was amazing when I first saw him, pretty crap in the middle of his career at times and amazing at the end, yet youtube doesnt show that... Adam was pretty rough at the start of this joining with Queen, but after 5 years he's much much better and actually he sits way better in the band that Paul Rodgers did the man who aledgedly has THE rock voice

At his best nobody can top Freddie, that I've seen, yet at his worst he was pretty average some nights, when Adam has done 20 years of this it will be interesting to see how he has grown, as a performer.

But fundimentally don't believe if you've seen them on youtube you've seen them.... you haven't

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I wasn't talking about DVD footage though. There's many many concerts on YouTube which haven't had, nor will they ever likely get a DVD release. But I guess we disagree. For me, whether watching it on YouTube or live at the time, you know whether you like that voice and their style or performance.

I don't think Lambert will ever go down as one of the all time greats. He lacks authenticity, and that voice just grates as far as I'm concerned. I'd take a bad Freddie performance on an off night a thousand times over Lambert (because for me, Lambert's voice is irritatingly harsh and shrill). From what I see now, he's much the same as he was 5 years ago.
No matter what he does, he can't improve enough to appeal to me, in style, or voice. Both his voice and style would dramatically have to change in order for that.

Having seen Lambert on live on YouTube and live in real life, there's nothing in it either way. It's louder at a concert (if you don't turn up your headphones too much at home), and there's an atmosphere there as you're at an event, but that doesn't make his performance / singing any better or worse than what you'd see on YouTube.[/QUOTE]

I understand that you simply don't like him and that wont change by seeing him live, but I think you are missing something if you feel a concert is simply louder live, if that's the case then why bother going to see anybody? watch it all on YouTube.
I've never seen anything on YouTube that compares to watching a live show and being part of it, actually hearing the vocal and instruments live is totally different
I'm sadened that some don't feel that these days, but then we have gone to a world where artists spend hundreds of thousands in a high quality studio recording music and we all listen to it on a phone... so I guess it's to be expected

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I also mentioned the atmosphere at a concert, not just that it's louder.

Of course, it's great to be there in person instead of watching it on screen, but being there live does not make their voice better. You can tell from a video if it's any good or not. Lambert isn't an improvement in concert to when you see him on YouTube. I've seen both.

I have high quality hi fi btw, and don't even bother with a mobile.

If anything, it's probably a lot harder to objectively judge a voice just in front a booming PA and pyrotechnics.

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If anything, it's probably a lot harder to objectively judge a voice just in front a booming PA and pyrotechnics. [/QUOTE]

That's a good point.

I truly understand the dislike for Adam's voice in regards to fronting Queen, but can't deny his skill. This is live:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJYyqzUr6jU

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I truly understand the dislike for Adam's voice in regards to fronting Queen, but can't deny his skill. This is live:

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Yes, that's damn good and he clearly has skill. You're right: in the same way I can admire Barry Manilow's tremendous performance of 'Could it be Magic' or Dolly Parton's 'Jolene', I wouldn't necessarily want to hear them sing Queen songs.