One Vision intro reverse message finally understood!

[QUOTE] [b]Battler wrote:[/b]
A lot of musicians hid messages in their songs:
- Led Zeppelin hid a lengthy speech about Satan in "Stairway to Heaven";
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No... People just hear what they want to hear.

The lyrics:
'If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now, it's just a spring clean for the May queen. Yes there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run there's still time to change the road you're on'.

When those are reversed, they don't form a tribute to satan, they are literally just those words reversed. If some sensationalists in the 70s decided they'd read too much into it after getting spooked by the knowledge that Jimmy Page was into the occult, it doesn't make it automatically true. Not to mention that half the alleged words in the reversed phrase aren't even there, they're just fabricated to fill in the gaps, and try and make something remotely coherent (though they still failed in that).

You probably also believe Another One Bites the Dust was secretly about the joys of smoking cannabis, right?

I saw some website a long time ago, where they had some examples of that so-called 'phonetic reversals' in music lyrics.......

It was actually kind of funny how they did it....first played the backwards audio without revealing what it supposedly said, then they put what it was supposed to say on the screen.....amazing the difference it makes!

[QUOTE] [b]tomchristie22 wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Battler wrote:[/b]
A lot of musicians hid messages in their songs:
- Led Zeppelin hid a lengthy speech about Satan in "Stairway to Heaven";
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No... People just hear what they want to hear.

The lyrics:
'If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now, it's just a spring clean for the May queen. Yes there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run there's still time to change the road you're on'.

When those are reversed, they don't form a tribute to satan, they are literally just those words reversed. If some sensationalists in the 70s decided they'd read too much into it after getting spooked by the knowledge that Jimmy Page was into the occult, it doesn't make it automatically true. Not to mention that half the alleged words in the reversed phrase aren't even there, they're just fabricated to fill in the gaps, and try and make something remotely coherent (though they still failed in that).

You probably also believe Another One Bites the Dust was secretly about the joys of smoking cannabis, right? [/QUOTE]

Stairway To Heaven has an intentional backwards message, but it was meant as a joke. After the mention of backmasking in the late '60s, Christian fanatics accused Led Zep of being one of the bands who used it to hide satanic messages in their songs, so they decided to do a jocular one. If you listen to it (and compare it to other so-called satanic backmaskings), you'll hear it's waaaaay clearer than any other and very much intentional. The only clearer example is the above-mentioned Pink Floyd one, but that one isn't hidden, it's just a regular phrase played in reverse.

Ah okay. I just figured it wouldn't be worth the effort of figuring out words which would sound like what they wanted them to be when reversed, then record those words in such a way that they'd sound innocuous forwards, and clear enough backwards. Has any member confirmed that it was intentional?

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[b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b] Stairway To Heaven has an intentional backwards message, but it was meant as a joke.[/QUOTE]

And how on earth do you know that?

Most of the noodling parts and the lead solo of 'Flick of the Wrist' are reversed.....

[QUOTE] [b]Oscar J wrote:[/b]

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[b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b] Stairway To Heaven has an intentional backwards message, but it was meant as a joke.[/QUOTE]

And how on earth do you know that?[/QUOTE]

Aside from the backwards text being hilarious, you mean? And aside from the recording having been made shortly after some American evangelist group accused Led Zep of hiding Satanic messages in their songs (and I'm not talking about the 1982 re-hash thereof)? And of Robert Plant alternately admitting and denying it?

It's really obvious - listen to the segment (you can even reverse it yourself if you think you're having your leg pulled) - it's waaaay more obvious than ANY OTHER purported backmasked satanic message, and second only in clarity to Pink Floyd's reversed phrase. I cannot conceive of this having been an accident.

[QUOTE] [b]tomchristie22 wrote:[/b]

Ah okay. I just figured it wouldn't be worth the effort of figuring out words which would sound like what they wanted them to be when reversed, then record those words in such a way that they'd sound innocuous forwards, and clear enough backwards. Has any member confirmed that it was intentional? [/QUOTE]

Robert Plant sometimes denies it and sometimes confirms it. Who knows? But the phrase is so extremely clear, especially compared to other backmasked 'messages', even some intentional ones. And it did come at a suspicious time, just when Led Zep was being mentioned as one of those Satanic bands (which Jimmy Page didn't help disprove by buying Aleister Crowley's house, btw). Yes, it's all circumstantial, but the amount of circumstantial evidence is so enormous that I for one call this one true. But still an evident joke.

Note that debunkers don't claim the reversed text isn't there - they simply claim it's a bizarre coincidence. Ockham's Razor tells me to go for "intentional", because the odds for "bizarre coincidence" are just too long.

[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]


It's really obvious - listen to the segment (you can even reverse it yourself if you think you're having your leg pulled) - it's waaaay more obvious than ANY OTHER purported backmasked satanic message, and second only in clarity to Pink Floyd's reversed phrase. I cannot conceive of this having been an accident.[/QUOTE]

Remember, there's two different things we're talking about here.......there's backmasking (actually recording something and putting it backwards), and then there's the claimed 'phonetic reversal' (where you say something normally and its supposed to be a different phrase when played backwards).........which seems to me like it would be VERY tricky! To have a message say something when played backwards AND make sense played normally??

(You're talking about the 'theres a bustle in your hedgerow' part in Stairway, right?)

I'd say it at least COULD be a coincidence.......weird coincidences DO often happen without anything 'behind' them........

I heard an example once of claimed phonetic reversal where Another One Bites the Dust is supposed to say "its fun to smoke marijuana" when the main chorus line is reversed.

[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]

(You're talking about the 'theres a bustle in your hedgerow' part in Stairway, right?)

I'd say it at least COULD be a coincidence.......weird coincidences DO often happen without anything 'behind' them........

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Correct. thomasquinn's sold me on it being an intentional joke rather than a coincidence, I think. Still, it would have been a lot of effort to pull off something like that, like you said.

Well again, there is one that Queen themselves obviously did - the reversed "Of what should be" in A Kind Of Magic. That's very clear in reverse and sounds like gibberish in the backwards (and then not much later is sung in forwards too).

Then there's Ensueño or whichever the duet song between Freddie Mercury and Montserrat Caballé, which has a part that in reverse allegedly says "Yes, I've got a man, I've got a man, I've got a man, a man of God, be true!", that some Italian website once claimed that it was about homosexuality and that since a homosexual man is called "of God", then that God must be Satan. Granted I find the Satanic interpretation of this is pure bovine excrement, and the message isn't that clear in reverse so it could be another miss.

But, as regards One Vision, interesting that it was pointed out Led Zeppelin's "sweet Satan" thing was most probably a joke. Now, we know the whole One Vision song was itself basically a joke in the end (hence, stuff like "Fried chicken"), so why wouldn't they add a joke backmasked message in the intro as a nod to Led Zeppelin's original joke? While we do know for a fact the intro says "God works in mysterious ways... mysterious ways..." because we even have the first half in clear on Magic Years and Greatest Video Hits II. in the making of One Vision, but it's mixed with a mishmash of vocals of all sorts in addition to being slowed down and distorted, that who knows what else is there in the mix. And think of it, a joke about Satan as the backwards of a message about God would be a very good and clever play on said message, not to mention in line with all the fucking around they did when recording that song. Plus, there's the fact we only have a fraction of all that was recorded for the intro out there in the clear. Who knows what else they recorded and used that we still haven't heard clearly.

Now yes, my Japanese interpretation might have well been over the top, but the point is just there might or might not be something there, and the whole thing isn't clear enough to judge. However, I certainly think Italian websites and other media have clearly exaggerated when claiming the message is a deliberate attempt of Queen at instigating Satanism. Italian sources often tend to exaggerate anyway. Heck, one Italian video on YouTube interpreted Bohemian Rhapsody as one big forward Satanic message of itself just because of the "Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me" lyric, and another video from the same author tried to claim Another One Bites The Dust was about all drugs, trying to claim that the "Dust" in the title was a reference to cocaine, making it clear the guy had no idea that "to bite the dust" is an English expression for "to die" (and the expression exists in Italian too, which makes it even more jarring that the guy didn't know).

As for "Start to smoke Marijuana" or "It's fun to smoke Marijuana" - all I can make out is, "Ssa'd? sno'mma'uan?", where ' is a glottal stop and ? is a schwa. Certainly close to what it's alleged to be but not enough to convince me. Certainly it would be much more difficult to hide a message there because the "Another One Bites The Dust" lyric in forward is clear, unlike the One Vision intro.

Brian was eating at a Benny Hanna. I asked for an autograph. He did on a napkin. I asked him what are the words in One Vision intro. He said " One Vision still saves. Don't you hear it?"