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ludwigs
Ha ha ;-)
Chrisallstar
Hi Ludwigs, I'm interested to know how John reacted to being recognised. I have met both Brian and Roger before and I found Brian to the more approachable of the two.
Did John say anything about Queen at all? Did you get the feeling from him that he didn't want to talk about Queen?
back on the subject of John's state of mind there was that tabloid article about him buying a flat for that stripper a few years ago. It was a real trashy article and I remember Brian commenting on it on his soapbox. So perhaps another reason why John is happier out of the limelight.
As I said earlier if John ever was to make a return to Queen the focus and pressure on him would be unbearable simply as he has been out of the picture for so long.
Did John say anything about Queen at all? Did you get the feeling from him that he didn't want to talk about Queen?
back on the subject of John's state of mind there was that tabloid article about him buying a flat for that stripper a few years ago. It was a real trashy article and I remember Brian commenting on it on his soapbox. So perhaps another reason why John is happier out of the limelight.
As I said earlier if John ever was to make a return to Queen the focus and pressure on him would be unbearable simply as he has been out of the picture for so long.
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]ludwigs wrote:[/b]
Mr.Queen Fan,
Get over yourself!
What part of MY generalisations don't you get? You assume cause I make statements following on from various threads that I am aiming them at you? Wake up!!
You mean nothing to me and don't even enter into my actual life. Are you really THAT fragile?[/QUOTE]
I was the one who said that i would ask him questions and that it would be nice to have a cd and a pen at hand - and by the way, it was supposed to be funny - you replied like this:
[QUOTE] [b]ludwigs wrote:[/b]
Erm.......Why would I use my lucky meet up to ask him questions that we can now in retrospect ask him??
I had 5 mins of his time which, I feel is a massive thing to me!!!!
Did I ask shit............. Did I Fuck!!!
The typical wolves seem to crop up......
That's quite sad!!!! [/QUOTE]
There´s nothing here that indicates the humor you said you used when you wrote this. I felt that this was aimed at me. You end with "That´s quite sad!!!!", and then on your next reply you quoted me and you gave a big reply exposing other situations on your everyday life where you didn´t asked for an autograph or pic, implying that this is a bad thing to do. Again you ended your second reply by saying
"So no, I didn't feel the need to ask for a scribble - in the whirlpool of it all, we didn't even ask for a picture. "
Again, i felt that this was aimed at me, because you were explaining in that detailed reply of yours why we - according to you - are "Total polar opposites".
I didn´t noticed the humour, and i´m sorry for that, but you have to agree that people who are agreeing with you think that you were being serious about it. So, it wasn´t just me taking your reply out of the context you say you had when you first wrote it.
You don´t know me, and certainly you don´t know how i behave in front of my idols. You don´t ask questions, or pics or autographs, i respect that. But you don´t have the right to judge those who ask for it in a respectful manner - taking context into consideration of course.
[QUOTE] [b]ludwigs wrote:[/b]
Like I said....I read and post a reply to a THREAD based on the subject matter.
I haven't bothered here for a few years and I'm glad really. Reading many times, it is a place for keyboard heroes that feel the need to dictate facts according to their views. If there may be some opposing ideas then they are generally shot down - even newbies get both barrels!!!
Surely it is a place for discussion, contrasting views with NO hostility but no......it always seems to resort to name calling. YOU are one of the culprits here.[/QUOTE]
No i´m not! I don´t agree with the level of violence here, and if you indeed read againg your first reply after mine, or your second reply to me you´ll indeed see why i REACTED to you in the way i did.
I don´t usually call names to people here unless i feel i was attacked first, or if i see people attacking the dignity of a Queen member - like Holly usualy does (you´ve asked, here´s your answer!) towards Brian May.
I never troll this site and i´m always honest in my views. I welcome different opinions, because that´s the only way i can learn something too.
The exception? - I will talk about the DoRo thread ahead in this text.
[QUOTE] [b]ludwigs wrote:[/b]
Just cause I differ to YOUR opinion, does that really constitute YOU calling me dipshit? [/QUOTE]
I didn´t call you a dipshit because i disagree with you. In fact, i don´t disagree with you in anything you said on your posts about the way one should behave in this situations.
I would act differently than you did in the presence of John Deacon - because we are all different - but i would maintain the utmost respect for his privacy.
The reason i called you a dipshit was because i thought you were linking all those negative situations to my post, when i never implied that disrespecting someone is the way to go.
I know how to create rapport with people, and i know where to open my mouth or not. My reply to you was based only in the scenario you described when you met John Deacon. If he was in a restaurant with his family i would probably leave without any interaction.
[QUOTE] [b]ludwigs wrote:[/b]
YOU started with the abuse. Read back over all I have posted. Did I name or imply you? NO!! You say you had humour in your post. So did I!
Text is fickle and things often get misconstrued - I'll forget that and assume this is the case here.[/QUOTE]
If that´s the case, i´m sorry!
The way your text is constructed led me to think you were being serious about it. I´ll take your word for it, and i won´t discuss this further.
I take back the "dipshit" and "fruitcake" names i called you. It was in the heat of the moment and if your intention wasn´t in attacking me directly then it was inappropriate of me to do so.
I will disregard the rest of the text :-) but i want to say something about the DoRo thread:
[QUOTE] [b]ludwigs wrote:[/b]
And try to think back on how abusive (not physically BUT verbally) YOU were to recent posts on the DoRo video??
You are a hypocrite!![/QUOTE]
Ok, this needs to be explain because you are not the only one who thinks like this. The fact that the user "ChrystalHead" was not abusive in his post doesn´t mean he wasn´t offensive. To use Freddie´s last days - where he was in agony - to make up a story to fool Queen fans is repulsive to me. I called him a "sick fuck" because he was a sick fuck! And i believe almost 100% that this user is from QP who took that day to take the piss. That´s why i called him a sick fuck - and i think he understood the message,(EDIT : I said that CrystalHead was gonne but i see that the user is still there.)
But the sad thing about this is that me and other user who told that his story was bullshit were the ones getting questioned.
I don´t have a doubt that many Qzoners who chose not to engage in that thread were probably sucking his cock through P.M. For what? A picture, screenshot, fairytale?
I told it as it was, it wasn´t my opinion. I knew that that user was lying! There are many things that i posted there that proves it, Interestingly, nobody cared enough to reply to my posts and say why i was wrong about my assumptions. The difference between me and other users here is that i don´t care about making friends in the Queen community or with the big collectors. I´m not saying i´m against it either, but that gives me the clarity to reply with what i think it´s honest.
(EDIT : I said that CrystalHead was gonne but i see that the user is still there.)
Look, i don´t like to see people get trolled, and i don´t like to see Freddie Mercury being used in this way. The reason i called him a sick fuck is because he was using the last days of Freddie. If he told the story about Freddie in 1980 i would probably didn´t care.
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As far as i´m concerned, i´m moving over from this. I don´t have anything against you and if i interpreted your text the wrong way, im sorry! But the fact that people are agreeing with you means that they are interpreting it the same way i did.
This site doesn´t have emoticons, so next time try to use something like :-) or other. I know i will! :-)
I hope this is settled and people can go on discussing John Deacon.
Mr.Queen Fan,
Get over yourself!
What part of MY generalisations don't you get? You assume cause I make statements following on from various threads that I am aiming them at you? Wake up!!
You mean nothing to me and don't even enter into my actual life. Are you really THAT fragile?[/QUOTE]
I was the one who said that i would ask him questions and that it would be nice to have a cd and a pen at hand - and by the way, it was supposed to be funny - you replied like this:
[QUOTE] [b]ludwigs wrote:[/b]
Erm.......Why would I use my lucky meet up to ask him questions that we can now in retrospect ask him??
I had 5 mins of his time which, I feel is a massive thing to me!!!!
Did I ask shit............. Did I Fuck!!!
The typical wolves seem to crop up......
That's quite sad!!!! [/QUOTE]
There´s nothing here that indicates the humor you said you used when you wrote this. I felt that this was aimed at me. You end with "That´s quite sad!!!!", and then on your next reply you quoted me and you gave a big reply exposing other situations on your everyday life where you didn´t asked for an autograph or pic, implying that this is a bad thing to do. Again you ended your second reply by saying
"So no, I didn't feel the need to ask for a scribble - in the whirlpool of it all, we didn't even ask for a picture. "
Again, i felt that this was aimed at me, because you were explaining in that detailed reply of yours why we - according to you - are "Total polar opposites".
I didn´t noticed the humour, and i´m sorry for that, but you have to agree that people who are agreeing with you think that you were being serious about it. So, it wasn´t just me taking your reply out of the context you say you had when you first wrote it.
You don´t know me, and certainly you don´t know how i behave in front of my idols. You don´t ask questions, or pics or autographs, i respect that. But you don´t have the right to judge those who ask for it in a respectful manner - taking context into consideration of course.
[QUOTE] [b]ludwigs wrote:[/b]
Like I said....I read and post a reply to a THREAD based on the subject matter.
I haven't bothered here for a few years and I'm glad really. Reading many times, it is a place for keyboard heroes that feel the need to dictate facts according to their views. If there may be some opposing ideas then they are generally shot down - even newbies get both barrels!!!
Surely it is a place for discussion, contrasting views with NO hostility but no......it always seems to resort to name calling. YOU are one of the culprits here.[/QUOTE]
No i´m not! I don´t agree with the level of violence here, and if you indeed read againg your first reply after mine, or your second reply to me you´ll indeed see why i REACTED to you in the way i did.
I don´t usually call names to people here unless i feel i was attacked first, or if i see people attacking the dignity of a Queen member - like Holly usualy does (you´ve asked, here´s your answer!) towards Brian May.
I never troll this site and i´m always honest in my views. I welcome different opinions, because that´s the only way i can learn something too.
The exception? - I will talk about the DoRo thread ahead in this text.
[QUOTE] [b]ludwigs wrote:[/b]
Just cause I differ to YOUR opinion, does that really constitute YOU calling me dipshit? [/QUOTE]
I didn´t call you a dipshit because i disagree with you. In fact, i don´t disagree with you in anything you said on your posts about the way one should behave in this situations.
I would act differently than you did in the presence of John Deacon - because we are all different - but i would maintain the utmost respect for his privacy.
The reason i called you a dipshit was because i thought you were linking all those negative situations to my post, when i never implied that disrespecting someone is the way to go.
I know how to create rapport with people, and i know where to open my mouth or not. My reply to you was based only in the scenario you described when you met John Deacon. If he was in a restaurant with his family i would probably leave without any interaction.
[QUOTE] [b]ludwigs wrote:[/b]
YOU started with the abuse. Read back over all I have posted. Did I name or imply you? NO!! You say you had humour in your post. So did I!
Text is fickle and things often get misconstrued - I'll forget that and assume this is the case here.[/QUOTE]
If that´s the case, i´m sorry!
The way your text is constructed led me to think you were being serious about it. I´ll take your word for it, and i won´t discuss this further.
I take back the "dipshit" and "fruitcake" names i called you. It was in the heat of the moment and if your intention wasn´t in attacking me directly then it was inappropriate of me to do so.
I will disregard the rest of the text :-) but i want to say something about the DoRo thread:
[QUOTE] [b]ludwigs wrote:[/b]
And try to think back on how abusive (not physically BUT verbally) YOU were to recent posts on the DoRo video??
You are a hypocrite!![/QUOTE]
Ok, this needs to be explain because you are not the only one who thinks like this. The fact that the user "ChrystalHead" was not abusive in his post doesn´t mean he wasn´t offensive. To use Freddie´s last days - where he was in agony - to make up a story to fool Queen fans is repulsive to me. I called him a "sick fuck" because he was a sick fuck! And i believe almost 100% that this user is from QP who took that day to take the piss. That´s why i called him a sick fuck - and i think he understood the message,(EDIT : I said that CrystalHead was gonne but i see that the user is still there.)
But the sad thing about this is that me and other user who told that his story was bullshit were the ones getting questioned.
I don´t have a doubt that many Qzoners who chose not to engage in that thread were probably sucking his cock through P.M. For what? A picture, screenshot, fairytale?
I told it as it was, it wasn´t my opinion. I knew that that user was lying! There are many things that i posted there that proves it, Interestingly, nobody cared enough to reply to my posts and say why i was wrong about my assumptions. The difference between me and other users here is that i don´t care about making friends in the Queen community or with the big collectors. I´m not saying i´m against it either, but that gives me the clarity to reply with what i think it´s honest.
(EDIT : I said that CrystalHead was gonne but i see that the user is still there.)
Look, i don´t like to see people get trolled, and i don´t like to see Freddie Mercury being used in this way. The reason i called him a sick fuck is because he was using the last days of Freddie. If he told the story about Freddie in 1980 i would probably didn´t care.
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As far as i´m concerned, i´m moving over from this. I don´t have anything against you and if i interpreted your text the wrong way, im sorry! But the fact that people are agreeing with you means that they are interpreting it the same way i did.
This site doesn´t have emoticons, so next time try to use something like :-) or other. I know i will! :-)
I hope this is settled and people can go on discussing John Deacon.
ludwigs
Thanks. I accept your apology.
Too often on forums intentions and meanings don't get expressed correctly. People frequently react in a knee-jerk fashion at the time rather than sitting back and digesting what was actually written and maybe coming back to the thread with a cooler head.
I too don't really know anyone on these boards and cause it's just a forum for Queen fans then I don't really let it bother me in the slightest. There seem to be too many 'warriors' fighting this 'crusade' to safeguard Queen and their legacy. As we are all fans does it matter at all. My answer is no.
I think BM, RT etc are big enough and suffered much more shit throughout their careers to let the various topics here bother them. Nobody is going to get any reward or credit from Queen.
The Crystalhead thing: Didn't they also say "give me a few days"? People then probably pm'd her/him, like you said, to hopefully get more info.
I didn't and would never dream of taking steps to find more. IF it were true then I'd just wait and see if anything more came of it. It just doesn't rule my life all this Queen stuff. It doesn't make people less of a fan just cause they can dislike what Queen(sic) are doing now or anything else for that matter.
If I wrote to BM, RT and said abusive things then I totally agree that that kinda thing IS totally wrong cause it's a personal attack on them.
Us discussing, liking or dis-approving of stuff ISN'T personal.
Like I said - polar opposites. That suggests I don't need to have keepsakes. Others do and that's fine too. Just ain't my thing. I understand that.
Too often on forums intentions and meanings don't get expressed correctly. People frequently react in a knee-jerk fashion at the time rather than sitting back and digesting what was actually written and maybe coming back to the thread with a cooler head.
I too don't really know anyone on these boards and cause it's just a forum for Queen fans then I don't really let it bother me in the slightest. There seem to be too many 'warriors' fighting this 'crusade' to safeguard Queen and their legacy. As we are all fans does it matter at all. My answer is no.
I think BM, RT etc are big enough and suffered much more shit throughout their careers to let the various topics here bother them. Nobody is going to get any reward or credit from Queen.
The Crystalhead thing: Didn't they also say "give me a few days"? People then probably pm'd her/him, like you said, to hopefully get more info.
I didn't and would never dream of taking steps to find more. IF it were true then I'd just wait and see if anything more came of it. It just doesn't rule my life all this Queen stuff. It doesn't make people less of a fan just cause they can dislike what Queen(sic) are doing now or anything else for that matter.
If I wrote to BM, RT and said abusive things then I totally agree that that kinda thing IS totally wrong cause it's a personal attack on them.
Us discussing, liking or dis-approving of stuff ISN'T personal.
Like I said - polar opposites. That suggests I don't need to have keepsakes. Others do and that's fine too. Just ain't my thing. I understand that.
brunogorski
I almost can hear "One Year Of Love" playing.
This was beautiful. Awwwwn. :)
Thank you guys for stopping the war. :P
This was beautiful. Awwwwn. :)
Thank you guys for stopping the war. :P
Apocalipsis_Darko
Let John lives his life....
I know from original sources the relationship between Brian and John, but, let the sleeping dogs lie....
I know from original sources the relationship between Brian and John, but, let the sleeping dogs lie....
Hoopsie
[QUOTE] [b]Apocalipsis_Darko wrote:[/b]
Let John lives his life....
I know from original sources the relationship between Brian and John, but, let the sleeping dogs lie....[/QUOTE]
Another "I know things but won't tell you" post.
These are even more absurd than the childish bickering.
Let John lives his life....
I know from original sources the relationship between Brian and John, but, let the sleeping dogs lie....[/QUOTE]
Another "I know things but won't tell you" post.
These are even more absurd than the childish bickering.
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]Apocalipsis_Darko wrote:[/b]
Let John lives his life....
I know from original sources the relationship between Brian and John, but, let the sleeping dogs lie....[/QUOTE]
Can you expand on this a little?
It would be good to know the things you know about this subject. I mean, i really like to read your views on these things because you have interviewd many people from the music industry.
Let John lives his life....
I know from original sources the relationship between Brian and John, but, let the sleeping dogs lie....[/QUOTE]
Can you expand on this a little?
It would be good to know the things you know about this subject. I mean, i really like to read your views on these things because you have interviewd many people from the music industry.
Pingfah
Roger was sat on the table next to me at a restaurant in Falmouth a few years back. I didn't say anything to him, guy was trying to eat dinner!
Chrisallstar
[QUOTE] [b]Apocalipsis_Darko wrote:[/b]
Let John lives his life....
I know from original sources the relationship between Brian and John, but, let the sleeping dogs lie....[/QUOTE]
Please go into detail, that statement is incredibly frustrating. It makes me think that you are perhaps speculating on their relationship and are not in possession of any key facts.
Let John lives his life....
I know from original sources the relationship between Brian and John, but, let the sleeping dogs lie....[/QUOTE]
Please go into detail, that statement is incredibly frustrating. It makes me think that you are perhaps speculating on their relationship and are not in possession of any key facts.
miraclesteinway
This is going to be another 'Freddie was filmed in 1991' isn't it......
Apocalipsis_Darko
Well, I don't say the person who told me the fact (very near to them), but they were not the best friends....If you see, A Kind Of Magic, is an example. The songs by John and Freddie are produced by Mack. John in the 80's was only a partner with May, only that. I Want To Break Free solo (by Fred Mandel) is the perfect example, or the "guitars by Brian" in "One year of love".
Kontrapunkt
[QUOTE] [b]Apocalipsis_Darko wrote:[/b]
Well, I don't say the person who told me the fact (very near to them), but they were not the best friends....If you see, A Kind Of Magic, is an example. The songs by John and Freddie are produced by Mack. John in the 80's was only a partner with May, only that. I Want To Break Free solo (by Fred Mandel) is the perfect example, or the "guitars by Brian" in "One year of love".
[/QUOTE]
@ Apocalipsis_Darko:
It's hard to describe the relationship between John and Brian. I think their colaboration was very complicated as well as their personalities... John seems to be very shy and untalkative, Brian is very sociable, talkative, distinguished...Their musical feeling has been really different too, but they were mostly able to reach a compromise. I'm sure John was very closed friend with Freddie, but it doesn't mean he hasn't good (not being so closed) relationship with Brian.
What do you mean about this picture? http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/32200000/John-and-Brian-john-deacon-32296550-554-347.jpg
...and contrary view in the common interview (1995):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcznhgjT44Y
Well, I don't say the person who told me the fact (very near to them), but they were not the best friends....If you see, A Kind Of Magic, is an example. The songs by John and Freddie are produced by Mack. John in the 80's was only a partner with May, only that. I Want To Break Free solo (by Fred Mandel) is the perfect example, or the "guitars by Brian" in "One year of love".
[/QUOTE]
@ Apocalipsis_Darko:
It's hard to describe the relationship between John and Brian. I think their colaboration was very complicated as well as their personalities... John seems to be very shy and untalkative, Brian is very sociable, talkative, distinguished...Their musical feeling has been really different too, but they were mostly able to reach a compromise. I'm sure John was very closed friend with Freddie, but it doesn't mean he hasn't good (not being so closed) relationship with Brian.
What do you mean about this picture? http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/32200000/John-and-Brian-john-deacon-32296550-554-347.jpg
...and contrary view in the common interview (1995):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcznhgjT44Y
joerijoerijoeri
[QUOTE] [b]Apocalipsis_Darko wrote:[/b]
Well, I don't say the person who told me the fact (very near to them), but they were not the best friends....If you see, A Kind Of Magic, is an example. The songs by John and Freddie are produced by Mack. John in the 80's was only a partner with May, only that. I Want To Break Free solo (by Fred Mandel) is the perfect example, or the "guitars by Brian" in "One year of love".
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this doesn't make sense. they don't play on a lot of each other's songs and it doesn't say anything about their relationships. Roger played a lot of the Queen songs written by him all by himself, Does that lead you to the assumption he couldn't get along with the rest?
This is all just assumptions and gossip and until John would do interviews on this subject it will stay like that.
I very much respect his decision to step out of the spotlight and it makes me respect him a lot more than Bri and Rog nowadays.
Well, I don't say the person who told me the fact (very near to them), but they were not the best friends....If you see, A Kind Of Magic, is an example. The songs by John and Freddie are produced by Mack. John in the 80's was only a partner with May, only that. I Want To Break Free solo (by Fred Mandel) is the perfect example, or the "guitars by Brian" in "One year of love".
[/QUOTE]
this doesn't make sense. they don't play on a lot of each other's songs and it doesn't say anything about their relationships. Roger played a lot of the Queen songs written by him all by himself, Does that lead you to the assumption he couldn't get along with the rest?
This is all just assumptions and gossip and until John would do interviews on this subject it will stay like that.
I very much respect his decision to step out of the spotlight and it makes me respect him a lot more than Bri and Rog nowadays.