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Rick
Would love to see/hear an in-depth interview with him one day. His side of the story.
It's never going to happen, but still.
It's never going to happen, but still.
Tlr
I always thought it was Brian flouncing back in and effectively rubbishing the work that had been done on Made in Heaven in his absence that was the final straw.
user1
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]
Not quite.....No One But You was in 97, both Brian and Roger had solo albums and tours in 98....and those collaborations came a bit later.......[/QUOTE]
The last "Queen" projects with involvement of John were Queen Rocks/No-one but you and the performance with Elton John in 1997. The first "strange" "Queen" (without any involvement of John) release was Another One Bites the Dust with Wyclef Jean ft. Pras and Free in 1998. After that the release of "Greatest Hits III" marked the first release as "Queen+" (shouldn't it be called Queen- ?). To me it looks like the whole "Queen+" thing appears to be simply a justification by Brian and Roger for the ongoing use of the name Queen (with +) for projects with guest singers. Even the Freddie Tribute was supplementary labelled as "Queen+" (DVD release 2002). It is obvious, that the last involvements from John with projects by Brian and Roger happened exactly before the "new thing" took off. The only publicly known remarks by John himself (not remarks Brian and Roger reported!) about the new projects (precisely about Queen+ Robbie Williams) were quite harsh.
Conclusion: we have two Indications, of a falling out around 1997/1998 and because of what it happened:
a) the pitch of John happened exactly before the first "new thing" after the Freddie tributes Made in Heaven and No-one but you was released
b) In 2001, he spoke out directly what he thought about one of the projects (the one with Robbie)
Of course we'll perhaps never know the details, but the timeline is quite obvious and no remarks of John himself are known that he favours any of the new projects (the only known remarks indicate the contrary).
Not quite.....No One But You was in 97, both Brian and Roger had solo albums and tours in 98....and those collaborations came a bit later.......[/QUOTE]
The last "Queen" projects with involvement of John were Queen Rocks/No-one but you and the performance with Elton John in 1997. The first "strange" "Queen" (without any involvement of John) release was Another One Bites the Dust with Wyclef Jean ft. Pras and Free in 1998. After that the release of "Greatest Hits III" marked the first release as "Queen+" (shouldn't it be called Queen- ?). To me it looks like the whole "Queen+" thing appears to be simply a justification by Brian and Roger for the ongoing use of the name Queen (with +) for projects with guest singers. Even the Freddie Tribute was supplementary labelled as "Queen+" (DVD release 2002). It is obvious, that the last involvements from John with projects by Brian and Roger happened exactly before the "new thing" took off. The only publicly known remarks by John himself (not remarks Brian and Roger reported!) about the new projects (precisely about Queen+ Robbie Williams) were quite harsh.
Conclusion: we have two Indications, of a falling out around 1997/1998 and because of what it happened:
a) the pitch of John happened exactly before the first "new thing" after the Freddie tributes Made in Heaven and No-one but you was released
b) In 2001, he spoke out directly what he thought about one of the projects (the one with Robbie)
Of course we'll perhaps never know the details, but the timeline is quite obvious and no remarks of John himself are known that he favours any of the new projects (the only known remarks indicate the contrary).
The King Of Rhye
hmm........I dont see how that Wyclef Jean thing counts here......as it was a remix really, not a collaboration! The only "Queen" or "Queen +" involvement was, I guess, letting them do it, and putting it on GH3....
I think if he wanted to keep involved in music, but had a falling out with Brian and Roger, he would have showed up somewhere over the past few decades, at least on an album or two of somebody's......
I think if he wanted to keep involved in music, but had a falling out with Brian and Roger, he would have showed up somewhere over the past few decades, at least on an album or two of somebody's......
user1
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]
hmm........I dont see how that Wyclef Jean thing counts here......as it was a remix really, not a collaboration! The only "Queen" or "Queen +" involvement was, I guess, letting them do it, and putting it on GH3....[/QUOTE]
I do think that it counts because it was the first time a "project" between "Queen" (or Brian and Roger before the invention of the Queen+ brand) and a third-class "artist" happened.
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]I think if he wanted to keep involved in music, but had a falling out with Brian and Roger, he would have showed up somewhere over the past few decades, at least on an album or two of somebody's......[/QUOTE]
The fact that he isn't involved in any other music projects/bands doesn't mean that there was no falling out or he is okay with anything Brian and Roger are doing.
hmm........I dont see how that Wyclef Jean thing counts here......as it was a remix really, not a collaboration! The only "Queen" or "Queen +" involvement was, I guess, letting them do it, and putting it on GH3....[/QUOTE]
I do think that it counts because it was the first time a "project" between "Queen" (or Brian and Roger before the invention of the Queen+ brand) and a third-class "artist" happened.
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]I think if he wanted to keep involved in music, but had a falling out with Brian and Roger, he would have showed up somewhere over the past few decades, at least on an album or two of somebody's......[/QUOTE]
The fact that he isn't involved in any other music projects/bands doesn't mean that there was no falling out or he is okay with anything Brian and Roger are doing.
The King Of Rhye
[QUOTE] [b]user1 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]I think if he wanted to keep involved in music, but had a falling out with Brian and Roger, he would have showed up somewhere over the past few decades, at least on an album or two of somebody's......[/QUOTE]
The fact that he isn't involved in any other music projects/bands doesn't mean that there was no falling out or he is okay with anything Brian and Roger are doing.[/QUOTE]
True! We just dont know what he thinks, one way or the other! Aside from his comments about WATC w R. Williams, that is......
But I think that the fact that he isnt involved in anything means he doesnt want any part of actively being in music......just a guess tho.......
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]I think if he wanted to keep involved in music, but had a falling out with Brian and Roger, he would have showed up somewhere over the past few decades, at least on an album or two of somebody's......[/QUOTE]
The fact that he isn't involved in any other music projects/bands doesn't mean that there was no falling out or he is okay with anything Brian and Roger are doing.[/QUOTE]
True! We just dont know what he thinks, one way or the other! Aside from his comments about WATC w R. Williams, that is......
But I think that the fact that he isnt involved in anything means he doesnt want any part of actively being in music......just a guess tho.......
ANAGRAMER
Put yourself in his shows...
...I think I'd be creeped out if total stangers photographed me and speculated about my state of mind
...I think I'd be creeped out if total stangers photographed me and speculated about my state of mind
goose44
It's obvious Deacy has some social issues. You can bow out of the music business and do your own thing but not to even talk to your old bandmates when you spent 20 years together and being practically a family is really odd. I can see that he and Brian were not friends and had totally different views on music but Roger gets along with everybody. I would call Deacy out and say stop being a sad whining grumpy old man and give one to your fans. A smile, a wave, a hello how are you to his fans but nothing. That is why I believe he has some social and or mental issues.
Negative Creep
[QUOTE] [b]goose44 wrote:[/b]
It's obvious Deacy has some social issues. You can bow out of the music business and do your own thing but not to even talk to your old bandmates when you spent 20 years together and being practically a family is really odd. I can see that he and Brian were not friends and had totally different views on music but Roger gets along with everybody. I would call Deacy out and say stop being a sad whining grumpy old man and give one to your fans. A smile, a wave, a hello how are you to his fans but nothing. That is why I believe he has some social and or mental issues. [/QUOTE]
Wow. It isn't obvious that he has social issues at all. We have no idea what his personal life is like, nor do Brian or Roger it would seem. It isn't "really odd" not to talk to people who you have fallen out with. Based on comments from Roger and Brian, they have fallen out or are just incredibly uncaring. There is clearly a lot of resentment that John isn't interesting in participating in these Queen+ projects. Of course, John was always less outgoing than the others, but that isn't "odd". There must be countless examples of former band members not speaking to each other.
Where has he been a sad whining grumpy old man out of interest?
It's obvious Deacy has some social issues. You can bow out of the music business and do your own thing but not to even talk to your old bandmates when you spent 20 years together and being practically a family is really odd. I can see that he and Brian were not friends and had totally different views on music but Roger gets along with everybody. I would call Deacy out and say stop being a sad whining grumpy old man and give one to your fans. A smile, a wave, a hello how are you to his fans but nothing. That is why I believe he has some social and or mental issues. [/QUOTE]
Wow. It isn't obvious that he has social issues at all. We have no idea what his personal life is like, nor do Brian or Roger it would seem. It isn't "really odd" not to talk to people who you have fallen out with. Based on comments from Roger and Brian, they have fallen out or are just incredibly uncaring. There is clearly a lot of resentment that John isn't interesting in participating in these Queen+ projects. Of course, John was always less outgoing than the others, but that isn't "odd". There must be countless examples of former band members not speaking to each other.
Where has he been a sad whining grumpy old man out of interest?
user1
It seems as if Roger and Brians "Mad Deacy" propaganda bears fruits :(
cmsdrums
[QUOTE] [b]goose44 wrote:[/b]
It's obvious Deacy has some social issues. You can bow out of the music business and do your own thing but not to even talk to your old bandmates when you spent 20 years together and being practically a family is really odd. I can see that he and Brian were not friends and had totally different views on music but Roger gets along with everybody. I would call Deacy out and say stop being a sad whining grumpy old man and give one to your fans. A smile, a wave, a hello how are you to his fans but nothing. That is why I believe he has some social and or mental issues. [/QUOTE]
I'll second that. I recall reading that he was going to go to the Stormtroopers In Stilletos exhibition opening, and one or more of his kids had persuaded him to go. Then literally at the last minute he had a panic attack/change of mind and pulled out of going.
It's obvious Deacy has some social issues. You can bow out of the music business and do your own thing but not to even talk to your old bandmates when you spent 20 years together and being practically a family is really odd. I can see that he and Brian were not friends and had totally different views on music but Roger gets along with everybody. I would call Deacy out and say stop being a sad whining grumpy old man and give one to your fans. A smile, a wave, a hello how are you to his fans but nothing. That is why I believe he has some social and or mental issues. [/QUOTE]
I'll second that. I recall reading that he was going to go to the Stormtroopers In Stilletos exhibition opening, and one or more of his kids had persuaded him to go. Then literally at the last minute he had a panic attack/change of mind and pulled out of going.
Day dop
Surely a better idea would be to somehow capture him, then get the surgery tools out and operate on his brain so the nasty bastard smiles and waves like an imbecile. Because, that's exactly what I do to strangers every day (if we're unsuccessful with the operation, we could always try and whip him until he does what we want!). Maybe we can inject his face with botox too, to make him look younger. Getting old is[i] not[/i] an option! And if he complained, then at least no one could challenge us about him being grumpy. He'd finally have proof!
But seriously, who could blame him for having social issues? >>> "I would call Deacy out and say stop being a sad whining grumpy old man and give one to your fans. That is why I believe he has some social and or mental issues."
Yeah, it must be great being harassed by people who appear to have mental issues, especially after you've retired.
But seriously, who could blame him for having social issues? >>> "I would call Deacy out and say stop being a sad whining grumpy old man and give one to your fans. That is why I believe he has some social and or mental issues."
Yeah, it must be great being harassed by people who appear to have mental issues, especially after you've retired.
goose44
harassed? You have barely seen this guy in 15 years. If he was harassed we would see stories of him doing whatever or see tons of photos or videos but we don't see nothing. there are legends of acting and music who stop and do nothing or something else b ut don't remain 100 percent reclusive and almost basically disappear from the earth. If someone has millions of fans still to this day I would at least sill be in acknowledgement in some state. I'm not saying he has to be making appearances or anything of that kind. I can understand to that account. I'm just saying Deacy, relax we love ya and we want you to know that.
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]Negative Creep wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]goose44 wrote:[/b]
It's obvious Deacy has some social issues. You can bow out of the music business and do your own thing but not to even talk to your old bandmates when you spent 20 years together and being practically a family is really odd. I can see that he and Brian were not friends and had totally different views on music but Roger gets along with everybody. I would call Deacy out and say stop being a sad whining grumpy old man and give one to your fans. A smile, a wave, a hello how are you to his fans but nothing. That is why I believe he has some social and or mental issues. [/QUOTE]
Wow. It isn't obvious that he has social issues at all. We have no idea what his personal life is like, nor do Brian or Roger it would seem. It isn't "really odd" not to talk to people who you have fallen out with. Based on comments from Roger and Brian, they have fallen out or are just incredibly uncaring. There is clearly a lot of resentment that John isn't interesting in participating in these Queen+ projects. Of course, John was always less outgoing than the others, but that isn't "odd". There must be countless examples of former band members not speaking to each other.
Where has he been a sad whining grumpy old man out of interest?
[/QUOTE]
Once again you are are blaming Brian and Roger even when you´re asked to provide your sources.
Either you put the interviews here, or you lose credibility.
[QUOTE] [b]goose44 wrote:[/b]
It's obvious Deacy has some social issues. You can bow out of the music business and do your own thing but not to even talk to your old bandmates when you spent 20 years together and being practically a family is really odd. I can see that he and Brian were not friends and had totally different views on music but Roger gets along with everybody. I would call Deacy out and say stop being a sad whining grumpy old man and give one to your fans. A smile, a wave, a hello how are you to his fans but nothing. That is why I believe he has some social and or mental issues. [/QUOTE]
Wow. It isn't obvious that he has social issues at all. We have no idea what his personal life is like, nor do Brian or Roger it would seem. It isn't "really odd" not to talk to people who you have fallen out with. Based on comments from Roger and Brian, they have fallen out or are just incredibly uncaring. There is clearly a lot of resentment that John isn't interesting in participating in these Queen+ projects. Of course, John was always less outgoing than the others, but that isn't "odd". There must be countless examples of former band members not speaking to each other.
Where has he been a sad whining grumpy old man out of interest?
[/QUOTE]
Once again you are are blaming Brian and Roger even when you´re asked to provide your sources.
Either you put the interviews here, or you lose credibility.