John Deacon statement in INNUENDO video

Come on now Mr Queen fan, calm down and listen to Mr Togg's very valid comments.
Stop being silly.

Bananas and gorillas in "Days Of Our Lives"? :-)

This HAS to be a troll post.

Its a perfect example of how dissinformation can start a whole conspiracy theory.

"John is the only one not appearing in the videos in the style of the other three."

http://i.imgur.com/sNpSBt7.jpg

That could be said for any of them. There's 4 distinct styles.

Roger, and the jackson Pollock style, is not realistic either : http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MxLsQG2bKSE/hqdefault.jpg

Except in the IWIA shot: http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/010/0/5/queen_innuendo_wallpaper__2__by_eladministrador-d5r3dxj.png

with the same mindset...

does the NOTW cover imply that roger was splitting from Queen at the time?

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/173/0/f/queen___news_of_the_world_by_felipemuve-d6a6ck2.jpg

and so on

[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Togg wrote:[/b]

So not only is he in there in other ways other than just the picasso he appears in three different versions.[/QUOTE]

P.S.- Togg, you do know that Picasso had many styles, don´t you? They could have used Picasso in a different style and still make it believable. Here´s a picture of a young John Deacon portraited by Picasso (I kid you not!):

http://www.pablopicasso.org/boy-with-pipe.jsp

You´re welcomed!

P.P.S - I will stop post in this thread until something interesting comes up. I´ll keep you guys posted in case the DJ answers my email. Cheers!


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That portrait could really could pass off as John, couldn't it? In that case, John is a 110 years old!
I kind of find the movements of the 'John' character in Innuendo to be very much like those of JD on stage. So perhaps he does not have JD's facial features, but to anybody familiar with Queen, the movement is unmistakable. Just my 2 bits.
By the way, I was about 7 when I first saw the Innuendo video, and it scared me to death! Very sinister!

Where is john when you need him?

Interesting topic (to a certain degree)

In terms of design, the "Picasso look" totally out of place, as the other band members are shown in a more "realistic" style.
John could be drawn in a Van Gogh style and it would be a better choice.

It may be that John really didnt wanted to appear on the video... Or may be just an artistic choice which can be taken in 2 ways:

1- They used a "non human" way because some animator loved Picasso, by a poor choice of style or because of John's "wishes to not be in the video"

or

2- As an artistic and deliberated choice they used Picasso because John was always some kind of "outsider" within the band/music business. (I dont think this one is a valid reason but at the same time its as valid as any other reason posted in this topic!)

In any way, unless John talks about it or someone can prove that John refusing to appear in the video, every single answer in this (and many other posts) will be just speculation (which is fun but most of the times leads to nowhere)

Or perhaps because John always felt sub- human all his life?






*(joking)

Hey Matt what size are you? the T shirt is nearly ready...

Sorry yes I meant to write 'Going slightly mad' not Days of Our Lives, moment of madness, must be this thread...

Regarding the comment that they could have chosen another artist with a more realistic style, yes true, but I think the chosen artists were selected by the band, i'm fairly sure I read that in a fan club magazine at the time but I cant find it, I'm pretty sure Freddie wanted to be Da Vinci, because he had studied him at art school, Brian for obvious reasons was victorian etchings, after his passion for collecting victorian 3d photographs, i can only assume Roger and John selected a favorite artist, Pollock certainly represents Taylors 'style' and I guess John likes Picasso...

When the video was made, Brian, Roger and John were making an extra effort to stick together and make music, for Freddie's sake. It has been said several times that those last years were the closest Queen ever were. It makes no sense that John would get all weird and not want to be shown in the video. What exactly would he have said, "Listen, don't put me in the video - you can put some representation of me, which everyone will know is me, but don't use my actual real face"?

It's absolutely ridiculous, I'm sorry. John is in the video, represented in a Picasso-style drawing. There's nothing more to it, and no evidence against this.

Indeed, not to mention if it's a 'Statement' of what exactly? if you make a 'statement' don't you want it to be understaood by someone? if it's politcial then you stand up and are counted, if it's a protest then it's pretty obvious what the protest is about... but as you say this was probably one of the most cohesive times for the band, they supported each other and Freddie 100% to think he would have decided to refuse to be in a video is probably one of the most outlandish things I've heard for a long time. And as for the DJ in Portugal well i suspect he's just filling air or trying to make out he has some inside knowledge. Utter rubbish.

I consider this stupid thread closed for good.

The ONLY reason you people are aware of the concept of the Innuendo video is because it was explained to you!

The consumer at home (at whom the video is aimed) doesn´t care if it´s Picasso or not. The consumer and casual fan, and even die-hard fans (to an extent), only care about identifying the band members, or even their favorite band member. To put simply, you couldn´t use this concept on the four of them and use that on the cover of a release because the band would not be recognizable. As good and artistic as that would be, the guys running the company only care about the end consumer perception. (and please don´t bother linking the exceptions, because the rule still stands).

And from that point of view, John is represented by a cartoon playing bass. People only identify that character as being John because he is in a Queen video next to the other three. If you don´t explain the concept to the consumer, they will not get it!
There is not one soul watching the Innuendo video that goes : "Hey man! That is a damn good representation of a Picasso".

And that´s why i kept an open mind about this rumour and wanted to find out the reasons that were given about John not wanting his image to be used. Because, in the end i don´t understand why go to such lenghts with John´s character (in the name of Art!) when in the end the people at whom this was directed (rock fans!) would miss the concept. And this is not a critique to rock fans. It´s just a fact, even with the exceptions!

But this thread was about if someone had heard this rumour before, and if so, what was the reason - according to that rumour - that John gave for not wanting his image to be used in the animation process.

The replies here prove to me that no one is aware of such rumour, and i respect that.

I don´t understand how my first post has evolved into personal attacks, and condescending language. I believe i´ve explained in a well manner what happened and why i was asking the question. I´ve missed the first half of the supposed rumour my-self!

Because of some disrespecful posts here towards me, and even the DJ for the fact that he is Portugusese, and because this forum isn´t moderated this WILL BE my last post on this thread. I´ve emailed the DJ and in case he answers me I WILL NOT post it here. As far as i´m concerned this thread is closed for me.

I appreciate everybody´s input on this thread.

P.S. - And Togg, i have nothing personal against you. When i posted the picture of a Picasso and called it John Deacon i was being sarcastic!
I know that that isnt the most recognizable style of Picsso, but i can assure you that no one watching Innuendo will look at it and say : "Look! what a great cartoon in the style of Picasso. And Freddie is great in the style of Da Vinci" and so on. People don´t care about that!

And to make it clear, Innuendo is in my opinion one of the most artistic and beautifull videos EVER made!

Thanks again for everyone who replied to this thread.

Eh. Don't get worked up on people's perceptions of you online. It'd be good to debunk this new rumor or perhaps confirm it.


I'm a Medium. Used to be small. Don't know how that translates into international sizes (if there are any differences)

Maybe it's something confused by translation.

* if I wanted to be an ass I would've asked if someone could confirm the names of the acrobats in the promo video. I think they did a fantastic act.

You fucking bastards!!!!

NOW WE'LL NEVER KNOW IF JOHN REFUSED TO BE PART OF THE INNUENDO VIDEO!!!!!

I won't be able to sleep tonite.

Geez.

YOU MADE MRQUEENGAY TO PISS OFF

I'M REALLY SORRY YOU FAT FUCK, I PROMISE IT WON'T EVER HAPPEN AGAIN, PLEASE COME BACK

I ALREADY MISS YOU