Americans, for the most part, have no taste. No offence to any Americans here, you guys probably DO have taste.
Look at the clothes most of them wear. Oversized bull-crap. They can't even make a car worth a fuck.
The US is one big steaming cesspool of obese cunts.
I love Led Zep by the way, so not saying they're not a great band. Just that the average all dancing, all singing, mid-Western American baboon, watching his stereotypical baseball and stuffing his face with his hot dog, doesn't know shit.
AlbaNo1 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Costa86 wrote:[/b]
Americans, for the most part, have no taste. No offence to any Americans here, you guys probably DO have taste.
Look at the clothes most of them wear. Oversized bull-crap. They can't even make a car worth a fuck.
The US is one big steaming cesspool of obese cunts.
I love Led Zep by the way, so not saying they're not a great band. Just that the average all dancing, all singing, mid-Western American baboon, watching his stereotypical baseball and stuffing his face with his hot dog, doesn't know shit.[/QUOTE]
Probably doesnt say much about me but I find this post hilarious
matt z · Member since
Hey! I'm trying to eat my hot dog here!
It all depends on the age groups, amount of multi cultural exposure and whether someone is an avid music lover or just one who draws whatever's popular from the well. (*usually winds up with people believing covers are originals)
There IS still the stereotypical queer attribution with Queen. It's not manly to like them. It's nostalgic of people who grew up with the band, but still a band like Zep gets pluses for being straight forward rock. Queen is often celebrated in American films for CAMP reasons rather than dramatically (exception being Somebody to Love)
QUEEN is another entity. They often defy categorization. (I'd just call them a Rock band even though they went all over the place)
But with Queen came ballads, oddities, camp, disco rock, 80's pop, and they were such a mixed bag they didn't fit the easy standard of rock and roll that AC/DC, ZEP or THE WHO did.
But it's been my experience that if you find a stones fan, you'll find someone well versed in all forms of "classic rock" cause they lived it.
Anyways. I'm rambling. But to get an idea of what Americans think about Queen, you'd have to conduct a Labor intensive poll.
The King Of Rhye · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]bucsateflon wrote:[/b]
If somebody want's to impress with their music skills they say: "Led Zeppelin" and everybody will shake their head in agreement but in reality they don't listen, know them or give two shits about them.
Led Zep hype, that's all.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but that's BS....again, anecdotal evidence, but I know a LOT of people who are huge Zeppelin fans...
queenUSA · Member since
I've got a closet just for Queen t-shirts but don't know anything about Led Zep. I can tell you this though, they're not playing Led Zep at sports arenas over here. Great as they are they're missing that one final screw - so there you have it.
Apocalipsis_Darko · Member since
Led Zeppelin a hype??????????? The most stupid thing I've been read in this forum.
bucsateflon · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
so basically, you're another f***ing queen stepford, who can't accept the greatness of any other band. i for one have never really loved Zep, but i can at least accept the greatness of their songs
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A "Queen stepford" whatever the hell, is a dumb ass who goes on Led Zep forums, communities or Rolling Stones fan pages like "Steve Hoffman..." and starts bragging about Queen, just like you do here about Led Zep.
I never said they are bad, just not as good as Queen.
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
There IS still the stereotypical queer attribution with Queen. It's not manly to like them. It's nostalgic of people who grew up with the band, but still a band like Zep gets pluses for being straight forward rock.
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Exactly what I was saying, lot's of hype because they have a cool image outside of the music aspect.
una999 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
I'm on the Steve Hoffman Music Forum. The forum mostly has people from the U.S. on there. But some of the poll results, and comments surprised me.
Queen vs Led Zepp.
Queen
176 vote(s) 25.8%
Led Zeppelin
453 vote(s) 66.5%
From my observations, usually Jagger lags behind on this stuff.
Of course, essentially these polls are mostly pointless and I don't much like those band vs band / singer vs singer threads, but as I say, the comments/poll results still surprised me nonetheless.
Does it seem to be the case to others here, that Queen is often still dismissed in the U.S in comparison to the U.K and elsewhere around the world? I'd been entertaining the idea for a while that the U.S would've had time by now to reevaluate when it comes to Queen, but it seems if that hasn't happened all these years on, it never will.
(Also, I like to add that I like both the Stones and Zeppelin).[/QUOTE]
Americans also voted bush in for a second term. And Obama too.
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]bucsateflon wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
so basically, you're another f***ing queen stepford, who can't accept the greatness of any other band. i for one have never really loved Zep, but i can at least accept the greatness of their songs[/QUOTE]
A "Queen stepford" whatever the hell, is a dumb ass who goes on Led Zep forums, communities or Rolling Stones fan pages like "Steve Hoffman..." and starts bragging about Queen, just like you do here about Led Zep.
I never said they are bad, just not as good as Queen.
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where the f**ck did i say you said that???
for the sake of accuracy - and to stop you diverting your argument to make out i said something i didn't...it'd be helpful if you quote people (in context) in your replies. so to help you, and anyone who misguidedly thinks you have a point - i've re-posted the whole quote below
as you can see, i nether [a] said you said "anything" - i quoted you. and [b] i am NOT a zep fan - i've already said this several times.
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]bucsateflon wrote:[/b]If somebody want's to impress with their music skills they say: "Led Zeppelin" and everybody will shake their head in agreement but in reality they don't listen, know them or give two shits about them.
Led Zep hype, that's all.[/QUOTE] so basically, you're another f***ing queen stepford, who can't accept the greatness of any other band. i for one have never really loved Zep, but i can at least accept the greatness of their songs[/QUOTE]
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]bucsateflon wrote:[/b]
"Stairway To Heaven" is a fucking ballad, and that's all, people should not compare it with Bo Rap[/QUOTE]
I'm sad to see people with such blinders on.
Stairway To Heaven has inspired literally millions of people to pick up a guitar. The same can't be said for a Queen song, as much as we all love Brian May here.
Jimmy Page's footprint on the evolution of rock music is monstrously huge. His creations defined a decade.
Led Zeppelin albums were in nearly everyone's musical diet in the 70s. The same can't be said for Queen.
Looking for reasons is almost futile, as there is no algorithm for success. Some things connect with some people, and others don't.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
I'm going to unfollow that thread. I don't get much pleasure out of arguing with complete strangers on the net about music tastes, which is essentially what it all boils down to.[/QUOTE]
Musical taste is one thing, but ignorance is another.
You just can't fix the internet.
Take solace in the fact that the average person has never been particularly bright, but it's slowly improving.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]queenUSA wrote:[/b]
I can tell you this though, they're not playing Led Zep at sports arenas over here.[/QUOTE]
They didn't play Queen songs at high school dances, but Stairway closed nearly every high school dance for a decade - a painful 8 minutes if you didn't like who you were dancing with !
^ neither of these things are an indication of quality of music nor how many people consume/consumed them.
Zeppelin was and is bigger than Queen in the US. Always was, always will be.
Queen filled arenas. Zeppelin filled stadiums.
This really is undebatable.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
QUEEN is another entity. They often defy categorization. (I'd just call them a Rock band even though they went all over the place)
But with Queen came ballads, oddities, camp, disco rock, 80's pop, and they were such a mixed bag they didn't fit the easy standard of rock and roll that AC/DC, ZEP or THE WHO did. [/QUOTE]
You make a great point, but the argument for Queen's music being less homogenized equating to lesser success ultimately doesn't stand up. Zeppelin was so much more diverse than AC/DC, The Who, Fleetwood Mac and The Eagles combined - and they're the biggest of the bunch, at least in terms of US record sales.
Gallows Pole, Tangerine, Dyer Maker and Kashmir are completely different genres of music. Their albums were as eclectic as Queen's were. While Queen were doing the androgyny thing that was popular in the mid 70s, Zeppelin had their complete own image and mysticism and they still topped everyone.
It's a curious blip in everything we think we know about American popular culture. If all the stereotypes would ring true, then Zeppelin should've gone down like a lead balloon like Keith Moon said they would. But they're the biggest rock band to hit the US after The Beatles. Nobody has equaled them.
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Zeppelin was and is bigger than Queen in the US. Always was, always will be.
Queen filled arenas. Zeppelin filled stadiums.
This really is undebatable.
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you'd think. but how long before some moron comes along and diverts the argument away from the US and says "more people saw queen at knebworth, than zep at knebworth"...or worse still "did zep perform to 250,000 at Rio"...
problem is, that the sychophants and stepfords can't see beyond their royal-tinted glasses
i would say, that the order of greatness is probably
beatles
lez zep
michael jackson
and then (in no particular order)
stones, queen, who, floyd, elton, bowie
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! · Member since
It depends a lot of where you live. Here in Western European coutries only a few know about LZ. Most of the people <25 wouldn't know who they are. If you would ask for great LZ songs at people know or like some wouldn't say Stairway... But most of them
Don't know any hit from LZ or cannot come up with a LZ song.
LZ has no radio play in my country. Except for the annual polls around Xmas with only one song perhaps WLOL as well.
On the other hand Queen have annualy about 25-35 entries in such list. Everyone older as 16 years can tell you who Queen is. And name a couple of their songs.
No matter which radio station I listen to every 2-3 hrs there is a Queen song being played. When BM farts in the UK it will the newspapers.
So I gues it depends on thr territory you are when it comes to North American continent : LZ is the winner big time.
