ISIS is senseless. It is a death cult.
Anyway, hard to figure out what to write about more innocent people being killed. It has been very sad and shocking.
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YourValentine
Scary, Bob. It's scary how our political elite in Europe and elsewhere does not seem to have a plan.
Brenski - the refugee crisis did not arrive in Europe because Merkel wanted it. It arrived because Europe left Turkey, Italy and Greece alone with the problem and did not fund the refugee camps outside the EU. In the end the camps were so under-funded that people literally starved. For years we watched unmoved how people drowned in the Mediterranean and starved in the camps.
I am not happy wth the refugee politics of my governement. I think it is impossible to relocate a whole population of a civil war country into another country, we won't be able to manage to intergarte all these people, it's a logistic and social impossibility. But what was the alternative? How can we not help these poor people? The big mistake was that Merkel in her true monarch style decided all by herself to suspend the Dublin 2 treaty without consulting with the other EU governments. Now everybody else leans back and declares it's her problem and we really should not complain abiout that.
The country is split over the refugee issue. We have more possible rightwing voters than ever since WW2. But the worst is that we simply cannot have a calm, rational discussion about the issue. Either you are a brainless tree hugger with no connection to reality or you are a racist Nazi who burns down refugee camps, there is no middle ground for rational discussion. It's the most bizzarre and insane situation I ever saw in my country.
At least ISIS cannot claim the Syrian muslims who run away from them and rather choose to live in an infidel country.
Brenski - the refugee crisis did not arrive in Europe because Merkel wanted it. It arrived because Europe left Turkey, Italy and Greece alone with the problem and did not fund the refugee camps outside the EU. In the end the camps were so under-funded that people literally starved. For years we watched unmoved how people drowned in the Mediterranean and starved in the camps.
I am not happy wth the refugee politics of my governement. I think it is impossible to relocate a whole population of a civil war country into another country, we won't be able to manage to intergarte all these people, it's a logistic and social impossibility. But what was the alternative? How can we not help these poor people? The big mistake was that Merkel in her true monarch style decided all by herself to suspend the Dublin 2 treaty without consulting with the other EU governments. Now everybody else leans back and declares it's her problem and we really should not complain abiout that.
The country is split over the refugee issue. We have more possible rightwing voters than ever since WW2. But the worst is that we simply cannot have a calm, rational discussion about the issue. Either you are a brainless tree hugger with no connection to reality or you are a racist Nazi who burns down refugee camps, there is no middle ground for rational discussion. It's the most bizzarre and insane situation I ever saw in my country.
At least ISIS cannot claim the Syrian muslims who run away from them and rather choose to live in an infidel country.
Jesme
In the U.S . Here...no need to worry here, our president ( hangs head in shame ) has assured us that ISIS is contained....
Our country is divided about plans to bring huge numbers of refugees over here....I agree with the above post, I don't believe it is possible to integrate the refugees within our culture successfully.
We have one party against bringing them here and the other party and our president ( hangs head ) publicly shaming those against it and calling them cowards ...afraid of widows and orphans he says...ummm..statistically over 75 percent of these refugees are young able bodies men !
I guess you can tell by my post which side I fall into .
Anyway, it's a very sad, scary situation for all...I fear for mankind .
Our country is divided about plans to bring huge numbers of refugees over here....I agree with the above post, I don't believe it is possible to integrate the refugees within our culture successfully.
We have one party against bringing them here and the other party and our president ( hangs head ) publicly shaming those against it and calling them cowards ...afraid of widows and orphans he says...ummm..statistically over 75 percent of these refugees are young able bodies men !
I guess you can tell by my post which side I fall into .
Anyway, it's a very sad, scary situation for all...I fear for mankind .
Jesme
It's interesting to hear that other countries are divided over the refugee issue as well...I wish there were some uninhabited space somewhere we could put them in get them started and say... Here ya go..have at it .
I'm sure that might sound heartless to some...but I lock my doors at night to protect what I love... Why would I not want to protect my country as well ?
I'm afraid the whole refugee issue could be a Trojan horse.
Trust me, I've been shamed, called names, bullied whatever over the issue so much the past week or so it's starting to not phase me.and this country is suppose to be about freedom to think and speak my mind ?
I'm sure that might sound heartless to some...but I lock my doors at night to protect what I love... Why would I not want to protect my country as well ?
I'm afraid the whole refugee issue could be a Trojan horse.
Trust me, I've been shamed, called names, bullied whatever over the issue so much the past week or so it's starting to not phase me.and this country is suppose to be about freedom to think and speak my mind ?
The King Of Rhye
I'm just talking about the US here, I'm really not aware of exactly how it is in other countries, but anyway....
People are really making this refugee situation seem way, way, WAY worse than it actually is, like there's just thousands and thousands of refugees from Syria just streaming into the United States by the day. That is just not even close to the reality of the situation. I actually had a relative post a story on Facebook that talked about "Obama’s insane importation of 200,000 so-called ‘Syrian Refugees’ in the wake of Friday’s Paris terror attacks". We're PLANNING to bring in 10,000 over the next year, but probably won't get that many. AND they have to go through security checks that often take up to [b]two years[/b] before we let them in the country!
People are really making this refugee situation seem way, way, WAY worse than it actually is, like there's just thousands and thousands of refugees from Syria just streaming into the United States by the day. That is just not even close to the reality of the situation. I actually had a relative post a story on Facebook that talked about "Obama’s insane importation of 200,000 so-called ‘Syrian Refugees’ in the wake of Friday’s Paris terror attacks". We're PLANNING to bring in 10,000 over the next year, but probably won't get that many. AND they have to go through security checks that often take up to [b]two years[/b] before we let them in the country!
Jesme
The King ...I totally understand the numbers involved have been ridiculously inflated .our own FBI has stated that there is simply no way to do a complete background check on the refugees as previous records simply do not exist .
My heart bleeds for these people . But, I have to admit to being very nervous about the whole thing,,,,I don't think it is anywhere out of the realm of possibility that a terrorist or two might infiltrate their self into those groups of people just to gain access to our country.And I have been pretty much a liberal thinker most of my life .
I'm good with everyone having their own opinion on the subject and I'm even down for a good healthy debate on the subject, but I'm not so down for all the name calling and shaming going on between those of differing thoughts and opinions on the matter. I think it's a very slippery slope indeed .
I keep hearing the words ... BEWARE OF WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING
My heart bleeds for these people . But, I have to admit to being very nervous about the whole thing,,,,I don't think it is anywhere out of the realm of possibility that a terrorist or two might infiltrate their self into those groups of people just to gain access to our country.And I have been pretty much a liberal thinker most of my life .
I'm good with everyone having their own opinion on the subject and I'm even down for a good healthy debate on the subject, but I'm not so down for all the name calling and shaming going on between those of differing thoughts and opinions on the matter. I think it's a very slippery slope indeed .
I keep hearing the words ... BEWARE OF WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING
Saint Jiub
The odds of being killed by aterrorist are extremely low and will continue to be extremely even if the US allows unlimited Syrian refugees flood into the country.
If you do not live, work or play near the center of a big city, the odds of getting killed by terrorists are almost zilch.
I tend to be conservative, but Obama is right about the conservative cowardice. I am surprised that conservatives are that frightened given that they usually do not live in cities.
If you do not live, work or play near the center of a big city, the odds of getting killed by terrorists are almost zilch.
I tend to be conservative, but Obama is right about the conservative cowardice. I am surprised that conservatives are that frightened given that they usually do not live in cities.
Jesme
I do agree the odds are minimal , but it does give one pause to wonder if perhaps we might be opening a Pandora's box...but then I guess that's already been done...I guess we just carry on and do the best we can.And God knows we have plenty of our own home grown nut cases already .
Sad world we live in.
I'm not one who is freaking or indignant about the whole thing, just a little leery , but then that's my. Nature .
I just find it disconcerting that the issue has pitted neighbor against neighbor...because in my opinion that sort of gives the win to the bad guys .
Sad world we live in.
I'm not one who is freaking or indignant about the whole thing, just a little leery , but then that's my. Nature .
I just find it disconcerting that the issue has pitted neighbor against neighbor...because in my opinion that sort of gives the win to the bad guys .
YourValentine
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
The odds of being killed by aterrorist are extremely low and will continue to be extremely even if the US allows unlimited Syrian refugees flood into the country.
If you do not live, work or play near the center of a big city, the odds of getting killed by terrorists are almost zilch.
I tend to be conservative, but Obama is right about the conservative cowardice. I am surprised that conservatives are that frightened given that they usually do not live in cities.[/QUOTE]
I agree 100%. I am also very surprised about the borderline paranoia of the Republicans. 30 000 people in the USA die from gun shots each year (accidents, suicides and murder) - there is something to be afraid of. It is much more likely to be shot by a toddler than by an Islamist terrorist.
I think the issue of terrorism is only used to cover up the lack of enthusiasm to help the refugees. The whole west is totally unable to solve this problem. Mainly Europe must find a solution very soon, it is impossible for Germany, Sweden, Holland and Austria to keep up with the masses of refugees. In Germany we stil have 5000 refugees per day, they now live in tents and containers, this is not a way to treat people.
The odds of being killed by aterrorist are extremely low and will continue to be extremely even if the US allows unlimited Syrian refugees flood into the country.
If you do not live, work or play near the center of a big city, the odds of getting killed by terrorists are almost zilch.
I tend to be conservative, but Obama is right about the conservative cowardice. I am surprised that conservatives are that frightened given that they usually do not live in cities.[/QUOTE]
I agree 100%. I am also very surprised about the borderline paranoia of the Republicans. 30 000 people in the USA die from gun shots each year (accidents, suicides and murder) - there is something to be afraid of. It is much more likely to be shot by a toddler than by an Islamist terrorist.
I think the issue of terrorism is only used to cover up the lack of enthusiasm to help the refugees. The whole west is totally unable to solve this problem. Mainly Europe must find a solution very soon, it is impossible for Germany, Sweden, Holland and Austria to keep up with the masses of refugees. In Germany we stil have 5000 refugees per day, they now live in tents and containers, this is not a way to treat people.
Costa86
[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
The odds of being killed by aterrorist are extremely low and will continue to be extremely even if the US allows unlimited Syrian refugees flood into the country.
If you do not live, work or play near the center of a big city, the odds of getting killed by terrorists are almost zilch.
I tend to be conservative, but Obama is right about the conservative cowardice. I am surprised that conservatives are that frightened given that they usually do not live in cities.[/QUOTE]
I agree 100%. I am also very surprised about the borderline paranoia of the Republicans. 30 000 people in the USA die from gun shots each year (accidents, suicides and murder) - there is something to be afraid of. It is much more likely to be shot by a toddler than by an Islamist terrorist.
I think the issue of terrorism is only used to cover up the lack of enthusiasm to help the refugees. The whole west is totally unable to solve this problem. Mainly Europe must find a solution very soon, it is impossible for Germany, Sweden, Holland and Austria to keep up with the masses of refugees. In Germany we stil have 5000 refugees per day, they now live in tents and containers, this is not a way to treat people. [/QUOTE]
The West does its best to deal with the refugee crisis - and many countries have been trying to find a solution, although no easy one exists. The thing which irks me is that nobody else is doing anything about it. What's the latest from China about helping refugees, or from Japan? What about South Korea? Don't they want integration with Middle Eastern refugees too, or with African ones?
Why is it always Europe? And why does Europe have to look bad for not doing its utmost to solve the problem, as many claim? The countries from which migrants are fleeing should be ashamed, not Europe, because their citizens are their responsibility. Europe and the US are the only ones helping.
This can also be said about African countries - why don't Africans fleeing persecution in Africa go to African countries where there is peace? There are numerous war-free African countries with fairly developed economies (by African standards I mean). Africa is such a vast continent, with unbelievably large natural resources. Why does Europe have to be the saviour of migrants?
You know why. Because they want to live the European life - and I don't blame them, we all want a better future for us and for our progeny. Who the hell wants to stay in Africa? But that's THEIR problem - African should deal with Africa. The solution isn't for a mass displacement of people from Africa to Europe. It doesn't make any sense in the long-term. This bloody Christian mentality of helping thy neighbour is going to destroy us. And people have the gall to criticize Europe. It's the African countries they are fleeing which should be criticized, for not even being able to take care of their own people.
We've been burdened with this guilt complex of having to prop up Africa because of our colonial past. Billions have gone to helping African countries. The least they could do is help each other now. But of course that's not politically correct to say.
France single handedly saved Mali from al Qaeda in 2013, and now they've helped them with the Radisson Hotel terrorist attack. Yet some commentators actually were critical of France for not completely eradicating elements of al Qaeda in Mali in 2013. What is Europe? Some nanny having to take care of the entire world? It's really unbelievable.
On a final note, one of the biggest issues behind this unstoppable movement of people in Africa, and also very relevant to the Syrian crisis, is problems brought about by persistent drought. Lack of water and consequently lack of crops creates poverty, and poverty causes conflict over land, and makes people leave their country. I'm glad the Prince of Wales has now spoken about this in an interview. This has been known for a while now, but hopefully it will get the attention it deserves at last. It really helps to see the bigger picture behind all this.
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
The odds of being killed by aterrorist are extremely low and will continue to be extremely even if the US allows unlimited Syrian refugees flood into the country.
If you do not live, work or play near the center of a big city, the odds of getting killed by terrorists are almost zilch.
I tend to be conservative, but Obama is right about the conservative cowardice. I am surprised that conservatives are that frightened given that they usually do not live in cities.[/QUOTE]
I agree 100%. I am also very surprised about the borderline paranoia of the Republicans. 30 000 people in the USA die from gun shots each year (accidents, suicides and murder) - there is something to be afraid of. It is much more likely to be shot by a toddler than by an Islamist terrorist.
I think the issue of terrorism is only used to cover up the lack of enthusiasm to help the refugees. The whole west is totally unable to solve this problem. Mainly Europe must find a solution very soon, it is impossible for Germany, Sweden, Holland and Austria to keep up with the masses of refugees. In Germany we stil have 5000 refugees per day, they now live in tents and containers, this is not a way to treat people. [/QUOTE]
The West does its best to deal with the refugee crisis - and many countries have been trying to find a solution, although no easy one exists. The thing which irks me is that nobody else is doing anything about it. What's the latest from China about helping refugees, or from Japan? What about South Korea? Don't they want integration with Middle Eastern refugees too, or with African ones?
Why is it always Europe? And why does Europe have to look bad for not doing its utmost to solve the problem, as many claim? The countries from which migrants are fleeing should be ashamed, not Europe, because their citizens are their responsibility. Europe and the US are the only ones helping.
This can also be said about African countries - why don't Africans fleeing persecution in Africa go to African countries where there is peace? There are numerous war-free African countries with fairly developed economies (by African standards I mean). Africa is such a vast continent, with unbelievably large natural resources. Why does Europe have to be the saviour of migrants?
You know why. Because they want to live the European life - and I don't blame them, we all want a better future for us and for our progeny. Who the hell wants to stay in Africa? But that's THEIR problem - African should deal with Africa. The solution isn't for a mass displacement of people from Africa to Europe. It doesn't make any sense in the long-term. This bloody Christian mentality of helping thy neighbour is going to destroy us. And people have the gall to criticize Europe. It's the African countries they are fleeing which should be criticized, for not even being able to take care of their own people.
We've been burdened with this guilt complex of having to prop up Africa because of our colonial past. Billions have gone to helping African countries. The least they could do is help each other now. But of course that's not politically correct to say.
France single handedly saved Mali from al Qaeda in 2013, and now they've helped them with the Radisson Hotel terrorist attack. Yet some commentators actually were critical of France for not completely eradicating elements of al Qaeda in Mali in 2013. What is Europe? Some nanny having to take care of the entire world? It's really unbelievable.
On a final note, one of the biggest issues behind this unstoppable movement of people in Africa, and also very relevant to the Syrian crisis, is problems brought about by persistent drought. Lack of water and consequently lack of crops creates poverty, and poverty causes conflict over land, and makes people leave their country. I'm glad the Prince of Wales has now spoken about this in an interview. This has been known for a while now, but hopefully it will get the attention it deserves at last. It really helps to see the bigger picture behind all this.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
The odds of being killed by aterrorist are extremely low and will continue to be extremely even if the US allows unlimited Syrian refugees flood into the country.
If you do not live, work or play near the center of a big city, the odds of getting killed by terrorists are almost zilch.
I tend to be conservative, but Obama is right about the conservative cowardice. I am surprised that conservatives are that frightened given that they usually do not live in cities.[/QUOTE]
I agree 100%. I am also very surprised about the borderline paranoia of the Republicans. 30 000 people in the USA die from gun shots each year (accidents, suicides and murder) - there is something to be afraid of. It is much more likely to be shot by a toddler than by an Islamist terrorist.
I think the issue of terrorism is only used to cover up the lack of enthusiasm to help the refugees.[/QUOTE]
Standing ovation, for both of you.
Although Canada will bring in 25,000 Syrian refugees, we unfortunately have our fair share of xenophobes here too.
But the reality is - the RCMP (national police) and CSIS (equivalent of FBI) haven't raised any security concerns. This alone should indicate that we should have nothing to worry about.
Never mind the fact that Syria has opened its doors to refugees numerous times in the past 40 years.
But facts be damned. The man on the street has never been particularly bright.
I despair, but live in cautious optimism that we'll learn to be better.
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
The odds of being killed by aterrorist are extremely low and will continue to be extremely even if the US allows unlimited Syrian refugees flood into the country.
If you do not live, work or play near the center of a big city, the odds of getting killed by terrorists are almost zilch.
I tend to be conservative, but Obama is right about the conservative cowardice. I am surprised that conservatives are that frightened given that they usually do not live in cities.[/QUOTE]
I agree 100%. I am also very surprised about the borderline paranoia of the Republicans. 30 000 people in the USA die from gun shots each year (accidents, suicides and murder) - there is something to be afraid of. It is much more likely to be shot by a toddler than by an Islamist terrorist.
I think the issue of terrorism is only used to cover up the lack of enthusiasm to help the refugees.[/QUOTE]
Standing ovation, for both of you.
Although Canada will bring in 25,000 Syrian refugees, we unfortunately have our fair share of xenophobes here too.
But the reality is - the RCMP (national police) and CSIS (equivalent of FBI) haven't raised any security concerns. This alone should indicate that we should have nothing to worry about.
Never mind the fact that Syria has opened its doors to refugees numerous times in the past 40 years.
But facts be damned. The man on the street has never been particularly bright.
I despair, but live in cautious optimism that we'll learn to be better.
Chief Mouse
What do you people think of Merkel right now? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3388490/Angela-Merkel-invited-baying- asylum-seeker-sex-mob-taunted-Cologne-police-robbing-raping-women.html
This kind of stuff happens often and not all of it is being reported about online. It shows that there clearly is a problem (a BIG one not minor) with the current refugee politics. And think this for a minute - what would you think if you or one close to you were abused, raped or killed? You'd likely change your viewpoint forever. It is easy to claim 100% humaritan remarks when we're not personally involved. There must be a compromise because the world is going into absolutes which leads to destruction. During WWII Sweden and Finland didn't take a dozen of my country's refugees and sent their boat literally back go Stalin. Now it's the complete opposite to the point of being deluded because everyone is afraid of being caled a racist, Nazi or some sort of '..phobe'. I am extremely thankful this kind of stuff doesn't happen here (yet). It is a good thing to help those in need but it's not the right thing to 'further integrate' (according to Merkel) those who disrespect everything and everyone in Europe. They should be jailed for 10 years. So this is my opinion, feel free to disagree. One thing no one will be able to disagree with though - something needs to change now!
This kind of stuff happens often and not all of it is being reported about online. It shows that there clearly is a problem (a BIG one not minor) with the current refugee politics. And think this for a minute - what would you think if you or one close to you were abused, raped or killed? You'd likely change your viewpoint forever. It is easy to claim 100% humaritan remarks when we're not personally involved. There must be a compromise because the world is going into absolutes which leads to destruction. During WWII Sweden and Finland didn't take a dozen of my country's refugees and sent their boat literally back go Stalin. Now it's the complete opposite to the point of being deluded because everyone is afraid of being caled a racist, Nazi or some sort of '..phobe'. I am extremely thankful this kind of stuff doesn't happen here (yet). It is a good thing to help those in need but it's not the right thing to 'further integrate' (according to Merkel) those who disrespect everything and everyone in Europe. They should be jailed for 10 years. So this is my opinion, feel free to disagree. One thing no one will be able to disagree with though - something needs to change now!
The Real Wizard
18 people out of hundreds of thousands?
There is no easy response. Obviously it's horrific, but we can't turn our backs to people from war torn countries because there are a few assholes.
Or can we?
Let's be real - this is a hiccup. In the western world, the majority of crime is committed by white, middle class males. The statistics are there.
And per capita, the western world is still safer than it's ever been.
This too shall pass, as long as justice is served and these people cannot continue to walk the street.
There is no easy response. Obviously it's horrific, but we can't turn our backs to people from war torn countries because there are a few assholes.
Or can we?
Let's be real - this is a hiccup. In the western world, the majority of crime is committed by white, middle class males. The statistics are there.
And per capita, the western world is still safer than it's ever been.
This too shall pass, as long as justice is served and these people cannot continue to walk the street.
Oscar J
I'm a Swede and I can tell you right now that neither I or anybody I know have suffered from the large amount of immigrants we've had this year. And contrary to common belief, violence crimes among the young in Sweden has been on a slow but steady decline since the mid 90's. What I'm worried about is that the Sweden Democrats, originally a nazi movement 20 years ago, has become the biggest party in Sweden according to recent polls. Not to mention the increasingly anti-democratic political climate in Poland and Hungary, etc ...
Chief Mouse
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
18 people out of hundreds of thousands?
This too shall pass, as long as justice is served and these people cannot continue to walk the street.
[/QUOTE]
This is surely not the only incident. It would be naive to think that there are no problems. Incidents like this happen a lot as of late in Europe, I don't think a lot of it ends up on the internet. There is a problem and one country can only take so many people, Germany is overflooded as far as I know. And while turning backs is not good, there needs to be some kind of compromise, I don't know. I stand by my opinion that everyone should just try to imagine themselves in other situation. While helping a million, you also bring in a thousand assholes. That's what I get from the situation. I don't know the solution but it can't continue like that. What will the streets be like in 10 years if one of my German friends already told me he is glad he doesn't use public transport and avoids downtown and central station?
And yes, they should be jailed.
18 people out of hundreds of thousands?
This too shall pass, as long as justice is served and these people cannot continue to walk the street.
[/QUOTE]
This is surely not the only incident. It would be naive to think that there are no problems. Incidents like this happen a lot as of late in Europe, I don't think a lot of it ends up on the internet. There is a problem and one country can only take so many people, Germany is overflooded as far as I know. And while turning backs is not good, there needs to be some kind of compromise, I don't know. I stand by my opinion that everyone should just try to imagine themselves in other situation. While helping a million, you also bring in a thousand assholes. That's what I get from the situation. I don't know the solution but it can't continue like that. What will the streets be like in 10 years if one of my German friends already told me he is glad he doesn't use public transport and avoids downtown and central station?
And yes, they should be jailed.