You should calm down, thomasquinn. Pittrek's post really does not justify your outburst, mainly not the name-calling. In no way did he support any Christian fundamentalists or pin any other mass shootings on muslims.
I live in Europe and no Christian fundamentalists have been growing and gaining influence in my country. As yet, we have had exclusively Nazi terrorist activities and no Christian fundamentalist or Islamistic terror but this may end soon because today our Parliament voted for sending reconnaisance aircrafts to Syria, so maybe they make us a target.
As to Anders Breivik - I think the verdict if he was really a Christian fundamentalist or just a mental case is still open. Last I heard of him was that he prays to god Odin. Obviously, he sent a letter of support to Beate Zschäpe who is on trial for 10 Nazi murders, she is certainly not a Christian in any way. To tell pittrek that he is paving the way for such a nutcase by pointing out that the shooters in California were Muslims - which in fact they were - is really a little far fetched.
Chief Mouse · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
And the killers were muslims. What a shock.[/QUOTE]
Earlier this week, a Christian anti-Obama fanatic killed 3 and injured 9 at a Planned Parenthood clinic. Immediately, the American Christian right began looking for excuses - he was actually a "transgender leftist activist" (Ted Cruz), Planned Parenthood was " the real culprit behind this violence" (Colorado State Representative JoAnn Windholz).
American conservative Christian groups (translation: dangerous violent extremist Christian nutjobs) have come up with apologetics to justify this act of terrorism. In fact, you can't even call it terrorism. Some even call it patriotism.
But you, Pittrek, choose to ignore the far-right and Christian violence. You only come crawling out of the woodwork to spew your Islamophobe gall.
So what is it, Pittrek? Are you a racist? Or, as I suspect, are you merely a dumb, scared little man who doesn't have a clue about reality but likes to spew his fact-free bigoted gall nonetheless?
I've had it with the scum who try to pin everything on Muslims when, in fact, these past fifteen years fundamentalist Christians have been effectively destroying our secular society. I live in a civilized European country, and I experience the efforts of ultra-conservative Christians to force their religious views on society on a daily basis. It's much worse in America and in other European countries. And people like you are helping these Christian fanatics by deflecting attention to Muslims. You're doing Anders Breivik's propaganda-work for him.
Fuck you, you pathetic piece of shit.[/QUOTE]
Wow!
magicalfreddiemercury · Member since
Is there someplace Americans can go to apologize for the hateful rhetoric coming from our country?
Seriously, how awful do comments from Trump and Cruz, and cheers from their supporters, look to people around the world? Does it look like this entire country stands with these disgusting men or like they're anomalies? Was Obama's call for common sense heard as policy or muted by these idiots?
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
And the killers were muslims. What a shock.[/QUOTE]
But you, Pittrek, choose to ignore the far-right and Christian violence. You only come crawling out of the woodwork to spew your Islamophobe gall.
So what is it, Pittrek? Are you a racist? Or, as I suspect, are you merely a dumb, scared little man who doesn't have a clue about reality but likes to spew his fact-free bigoted gall nonetheless?
I've had it with the scum who try to pin everything on Muslims when, in fact, these past fifteen years fundamentalist Christians have been effectively destroying our secular society.
Fuck you, you pathetic piece of shit.[/QUOTE]
Casper, you've taken Pitrek's comments out of context. YOU knew exactly what he was referring to, and his comments are (largely) accurate.
It's not "phobiia" to utter non-surprise at YET MORE murders carried out by idiots proclaiming their devotion to Islam.
New York, London. Madrid, Tunisa, France, Syria - these clowns were NOT Christian fundamentalists.
It's very very easy to hang onto your liberal "hand-wringing, blame the west rather than the murdering bastards" approach isn't it? I honestly hope nothing happens to anyone very close to you...because that's just about the only thing that might make you rethink your extremely naive viewpoint.
Figures suggest that 0.5% of ALL those Syrian Refugees that journeyed to Europe are terrorists...think about that for a minute.
Germany's approach to this problem has created a Europe-wide problem. It won't be too long before one of these "sleeper cells" who snook in under cover of asylum does something terrible in Germany. Frau Merkel should hang her head in shame.
Casper, one final thing. Tell us what YOUR answer is. and don't suggest dialogue - these fuck-brains have already proven they do not want to talk with anyone.
Saint Jiub · Member since
So far, YV is the only QZ ultra-liberal that has responded to TQ's diatribe. Shameful.
brENsKi · Member since
i think it's unfair ^^ to refer to Barbara as ultra-liberal, she's always come across as liberal left, but not ultra-liberal.
and while we're on the subject of "liberal" - it's funny how ThomasQuinn preaches liberalism but some of his "attacks" on here are anything but the "live and let live" that liberalism extolls
Saint Jiub · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
i think it's unfair ^^ to refer to Barbara as ultra-liberal, she's always come across as liberal left, but not ultra-liberal.
and while we're on the subject of "liberal" - it's funny how ThomasQuinn preaches liberalism but some of his "attacks" on here are anything but the "live and let live" that liberalism extolls[/QUOTE]
I was not aiming for a radical or extremist label, but using "liberal" seemed to wishy-wasy to me.
Oscar J · Member since
[QUOTE]
[b]brENsKi wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
Figures suggest that 0.5% of ALL those Syrian Refugees that journeyed to Europe are terrorists...think about that for a minute.
[/QUOTE]
... aaaand you just resigned yourself from any credibility on the matter with that comment. Source on that ridiculous statement please.
The Real Wizard · Member since
There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. If even 0.05% of them were terrorists, the world would've been blown to smithereens by now.
Most major crimes in the west are committed by white people. This numbers can be easily researched.
This Islamophobia thing is nothing but a social engineering exercise by the media, and it's clearly working - even on smart people.
The Real Wizard · Member since
If you read comment sections on news articles (at least, in major Canadian and American media outlets), nearly every comment appears to agree with Trump on his "send all the Muslims back" stance. But they're not written by you or I, but rather people hired by multinational corporate interests who spew ignorance so that they can continue to make money with impunity.
The agenda is simple - they want people to hate whoever their boogeyman of the hour is (in this particular case it's Muslims) so that they'll have public support for their wars that keep the military industrial complex flowing - their biggest money maker.
It's very elaborately done, and most people just don't / can't see it, so they take the bait and drink the kool aid.
News forums being hijacked by trolls is one of the biggest problems in the world today, and almost nobody is talking about it. Tens of millions of people read them, and it's shaping public opinion more than most of us realize.
Chief Mouse · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
And the killers were muslims. What a shock.[/QUOTE]
But you, Pittrek, choose to ignore the far-right and Christian violence. You only come crawling out of the woodwork to spew your Islamophobe gall.
So what is it, Pittrek? Are you a racist? Or, as I suspect, are you merely a dumb, scared little man who doesn't have a clue about reality but likes to spew his fact-free bigoted gall nonetheless?
I've had it with the scum who try to pin everything on Muslims when, in fact, these past fifteen years fundamentalist Christians have been effectively destroying our secular society.
Fuck you, you pathetic piece of shit.[/QUOTE]
Casper, you've taken Pitrek's comments out of context. YOU knew exactly what he was referring to, and his comments are (largely) accurate.
It's not "phobiia" to utter non-surprise at YET MORE murders carried out by idiots proclaiming their devotion to Islam.
New York, London. Madrid, Tunisa, France, Syria - these clowns were NOT Christian fundamentalists.
It's very very easy to hang onto your liberal "hand-wringing, blame the west rather than the murdering bastards" approach isn't it? I honestly hope nothing happens to anyone very close to you...because that's just about the only thing that might make you rethink your extremely naive viewpoint.
Figures suggest that 0.5% of ALL those Syrian Refugees that journeyed to Europe are terrorists...think about that for a minute.
Germany's approach to this problem has created a Europe-wide problem. It won't be too long before one of these "sleeper cells" who snook in under cover of asylum does something terrible in Germany. Frau Merkel should hang her head in shame.
Casper, one final thing. Tell us what YOUR answer is. and don't suggest dialogue - these fuck-brains have already proven they do not want to talk with anyone.
[/QUOTE]
Chief Mouse · Member since
^ fuck off (not you Brenski or TQ). I'm not writing all of that again! Oh well.
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Oscar J wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE]
[b]brENsKi wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
Figures suggest that 0.5% of ALL those Syrian Refugees that journeyed to Europe are terrorists...think about that for a minute.
[/QUOTE]
... aaaand you just resigned yourself from any credibility on the matter with that comment. Source on that ridiculous statement please.[/QUOTE]
I NEVER suggested the figures were real - did i? i said "figures suggest". my comment was not about credibility - it was about what figures suggest.
here's your links:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees
and The Last article form the Independent suggests 1 in 50 - which equates to 2% not 0.5%
now Oscar J - do the decent thing - retract your insulting comment.
Oscar J · Member since
Ok, so your figures come from ISIS (interesting how you suddenly find them trustworthy!), and: "Mr Saab said he had no firm information on terrorist infiltration of refugees, but said his “gut feeling” told him it was happening."
ISIS want to scare and polarise people, and obviously they've succeeded with you. My comment still stands though.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Chief Mouse wrote:[/b]
^ fuck off (not you Brenski or TQ). I'm not writing all of that again! Oh well.[/QUOTE]
