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Sebastian
People spend way too much time talking about people rather than talking to people.
Togg
Back in the day when all this happened there was indeed a huge amount of bullshit on here from some 'collecters' who had what? who didn't have whatever' along with huge amounts shit about how such tapes were collected in the first place. fan recordings, officially released items and white labels all good IMO, however master tapes and tapes removed from studios is another thing, again IMO, people that purchase these are effectively assisting the theft in the first place and I personally take a very dim view of that and I stated as much at the time to much aggressive response.
I am personnally greatful that a handful of fans do loan their collections to Greg, were I to own any such treasure I would gladly had it to him to use, he if perfectly correct that one loss in 19 years which was no fault of his cannot keep being brought up here particularly by folk that were not even here at the time and dont know the facts.
I personnally think Greg does have a difficult role, he gathers the items and presents it to QP but it is not his choice whether it goes to press... so understandably some stuff doesnt make it and he is probably as dissappointed as the rest of us.
I do dislike some of the rants and petty arguments on here that he has got involved in, it is unprofessional and pointless, however that seemed to stop some years back so I for one am happy to see him here contributing, and in this case I'd say he has a right to defend himself regarding this rather constant slur that does seem to come up rather often.
I am personnally greatful that a handful of fans do loan their collections to Greg, were I to own any such treasure I would gladly had it to him to use, he if perfectly correct that one loss in 19 years which was no fault of his cannot keep being brought up here particularly by folk that were not even here at the time and dont know the facts.
I personnally think Greg does have a difficult role, he gathers the items and presents it to QP but it is not his choice whether it goes to press... so understandably some stuff doesnt make it and he is probably as dissappointed as the rest of us.
I do dislike some of the rants and petty arguments on here that he has got involved in, it is unprofessional and pointless, however that seemed to stop some years back so I for one am happy to see him here contributing, and in this case I'd say he has a right to defend himself regarding this rather constant slur that does seem to come up rather often.
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
Well - no. John's refusal to give Queen his Hangman acetate proves absolutely nothing.
.[/QUOTE]
Of course not, unless he cannot prove it´s existence in the first place.
Well - no. John's refusal to give Queen his Hangman acetate proves absolutely nothing.
.[/QUOTE]
Of course not, unless he cannot prove it´s existence in the first place.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
Well - no. John's refusal to give Queen his Hangman acetate proves absolutely nothing.
.[/QUOTE]
Of course not, unless he cannot prove it´s existence in the first place.
[/QUOTE]
you miss the point. GB is on here calling people all kinds of things - all completely unfounded. people are liars, twats and god knows what else - just on the basis of disagreeing with GB. what kind of place does the guy's mind reside in?
and why should JSS have to prove anything? GB has called him a liar - without proof.
it's a pity the band can't just get an archivist who'll do their job properly - the FIRST time. and act professionally with it.
btw - that last statement will soon be "Property of Queen Productions"
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
Well - no. John's refusal to give Queen his Hangman acetate proves absolutely nothing.
.[/QUOTE]
Of course not, unless he cannot prove it´s existence in the first place.
[/QUOTE]
you miss the point. GB is on here calling people all kinds of things - all completely unfounded. people are liars, twats and god knows what else - just on the basis of disagreeing with GB. what kind of place does the guy's mind reside in?
and why should JSS have to prove anything? GB has called him a liar - without proof.
it's a pity the band can't just get an archivist who'll do their job properly - the FIRST time. and act professionally with it.
btw - that last statement will soon be "Property of Queen Productions"
scottmax
Seems to me that Mr Brooks is very disrespectful until he wants help with his work, then he comes crawling out of his shell, cap in hand.
Also his blatant disregard for people who ask him questions is disgusting, choosing only to answer what suits HIM.
He comes over as a very selfish guy, but hey, I don't know him, and only going off what other people say, he himself says, and the podcast he did a while back
Also his blatant disregard for people who ask him questions is disgusting, choosing only to answer what suits HIM.
He comes over as a very selfish guy, but hey, I don't know him, and only going off what other people say, he himself says, and the podcast he did a while back
Queen Archivist
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[b]BETA215 wrote: [/b] Greg, what happened with the I Want It All book? At least tell us the reason why it was never launched.
And with the smartphones game? Besides the fact about some promises which weren't much done, suddenly it disappears of the store leaving the people who paid for it without any kind of support.
I'm not searching for fights or nothing compared to it, just the truth.
Thanks.
PS: That tape contained the whole concert, a portion of the concert of better quality than the available version, or it's just the master of the already heard roadie recording?[/QUOTE]
GB: Hi beta215. It's a long story. I finished collating all images for the book about 3 years ago, but then there was a problem with the design budget and the designers the publisher had in mind. So they spent a year looking into that, and we lost our slot in the market at that time… shelf space has to be booked, pressing factories booked, shipping, distributors, etc.
So… I continued beavering away on it, and each year it got delayed again I simply added that year's memorabilia to the book too… Rainbow 74, Hammersmith 75, the Lyrics book, coloured vinyl Studio Collection, and so on. That was the only good aspect of the delay. The book will be completely up to date.
The book WILL definitely happen. I've put far far too much work and effort in to it for it not to happen; it's only a question of when. It's been left that a designer will start on it later this year, with a view to putting it out next year. The mock up pages are really stunning… staggering quality photos, and with only a few things featuring on each page, rather than tons of stuff cluttering each spread. I think it's going to be a staggeringly impactful collection - between 2000-3000, by the way.
Thanks for your interest.
[b]BETA215 wrote: [/b] Greg, what happened with the I Want It All book? At least tell us the reason why it was never launched.
And with the smartphones game? Besides the fact about some promises which weren't much done, suddenly it disappears of the store leaving the people who paid for it without any kind of support.
I'm not searching for fights or nothing compared to it, just the truth.
Thanks.
PS: That tape contained the whole concert, a portion of the concert of better quality than the available version, or it's just the master of the already heard roadie recording?[/QUOTE]
GB: Hi beta215. It's a long story. I finished collating all images for the book about 3 years ago, but then there was a problem with the design budget and the designers the publisher had in mind. So they spent a year looking into that, and we lost our slot in the market at that time… shelf space has to be booked, pressing factories booked, shipping, distributors, etc.
So… I continued beavering away on it, and each year it got delayed again I simply added that year's memorabilia to the book too… Rainbow 74, Hammersmith 75, the Lyrics book, coloured vinyl Studio Collection, and so on. That was the only good aspect of the delay. The book will be completely up to date.
The book WILL definitely happen. I've put far far too much work and effort in to it for it not to happen; it's only a question of when. It's been left that a designer will start on it later this year, with a view to putting it out next year. The mock up pages are really stunning… staggering quality photos, and with only a few things featuring on each page, rather than tons of stuff cluttering each spread. I think it's going to be a staggeringly impactful collection - between 2000-3000, by the way.
Thanks for your interest.
Queen Archivist
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[b]pittrek wrote: [/b] Another chapter in the never ending and quite boring GB vs JSS war book?
OK, we get it, you don't like John. We got the message ages ago. No reason to drag it out again especially when John wasn't posting on Queenzone for the last few years and he can't defend himself.
Ibex - the problem is much more complicated. Person A pays a lot of money for a tape. Person A sends the tape to Company B. Company B doesn't return the tape, but a digital copy of the tape suddenly gets bootlegged and the bootleggers suddenly make a lot of money. Not the owner of the tape, not anybody owning the copyright to the recording captured on the tape, but some bootlegger (a.k.a. criminal). That's problem numero uno. Problem #2 is what this means - there is (or was) a "leak" - somebody who works or worked for either Queen or the record company has direct access to an illegal bootleg company.
BTW what about the Marquee recording from 1970, which was bought on the auction?
Hangman - you (Greg) claim that a recording does not exist. John claims it does exist. End of discussion. It's just word against word. I don't really care anymore on whose side is the truth. But I just can't stand the way how you claim that he's a liar simply because he refuses to let it out of this hands. I'm not going to claim it exists, and I'm not going to claim it does not exist. The only thing I can say is that I DON'T KNOW if it exist. The same goes for you. You can only say that you THINK it doesn't exist. If you want to use such absolute terms, you have to prove it, which you failed to do.
A few minutes ago I wrote that I'm happy you stopped insulting other Queenzoners and then I read this :-([/QUOTE]
[b]GB: Pittrek, I'm afraid not for the first time on this matter, you are wrong. I DO like John Stuart. He's an extremely knowledgeable chap with a lot of very interesting things to say. I invited him to the Freddie Mercury Solo box launch in 2000 not least because he's a genuine chap and real Queen fan. It was grey to chat with him and share a beer. Does that sound like I don't like him?[/b]
[b]Disagreeing with him, or being at odds over some issues, does not equate to disliking him. Don't be so presumptuous. Sweeping inaccurate comments like that potentially cause unnecessary problems.[/b]
[b]John did irritate me and others in the way he chose to conduct himself in the Hangman acetate affair. It would have so very much easier had he just said, "Ok, hands up to it. I don't have the acetate, and I won't waste any more of your time." I would have respected that. As it was, we all wasted silly time on chasing an item that never was. That would irritate you too, I'm sure. There is no need for John to 'defend himself' as you put it. I'm not attacking him. I'm merely stating the facts for the record. John is decent chap and I wish him well. Is he ok, do you know? Under what circumstances did he cease QZ input?[/b]
[b]HANGMAN…Pittrek you write….you (Greg) claim that a recording does not exist. John claims it does exist.[/b]
[b]Again WRONG. I said that John's acetate didn't exist, not at the time he said he had it anyway. And I further stated that [/b]I have never heard a studio version in our archive. Categorically never. That is true.[/b]
I did not say IT DOES NOT EXIST because it might do somewhere in the world for all I know. It might exist somewhere, but not in our archive. Are you getting it now? Please be careful with what you interpret and how report what other people say. [/b]
MARQUEE… turned out to be recordings from bootlegs of the time. NOT Marquee.[/b]
Hope that clears up some details. GB[/b]
[b]pittrek wrote: [/b] Another chapter in the never ending and quite boring GB vs JSS war book?
OK, we get it, you don't like John. We got the message ages ago. No reason to drag it out again especially when John wasn't posting on Queenzone for the last few years and he can't defend himself.
Ibex - the problem is much more complicated. Person A pays a lot of money for a tape. Person A sends the tape to Company B. Company B doesn't return the tape, but a digital copy of the tape suddenly gets bootlegged and the bootleggers suddenly make a lot of money. Not the owner of the tape, not anybody owning the copyright to the recording captured on the tape, but some bootlegger (a.k.a. criminal). That's problem numero uno. Problem #2 is what this means - there is (or was) a "leak" - somebody who works or worked for either Queen or the record company has direct access to an illegal bootleg company.
BTW what about the Marquee recording from 1970, which was bought on the auction?
Hangman - you (Greg) claim that a recording does not exist. John claims it does exist. End of discussion. It's just word against word. I don't really care anymore on whose side is the truth. But I just can't stand the way how you claim that he's a liar simply because he refuses to let it out of this hands. I'm not going to claim it exists, and I'm not going to claim it does not exist. The only thing I can say is that I DON'T KNOW if it exist. The same goes for you. You can only say that you THINK it doesn't exist. If you want to use such absolute terms, you have to prove it, which you failed to do.
A few minutes ago I wrote that I'm happy you stopped insulting other Queenzoners and then I read this :-([/QUOTE]
[b]GB: Pittrek, I'm afraid not for the first time on this matter, you are wrong. I DO like John Stuart. He's an extremely knowledgeable chap with a lot of very interesting things to say. I invited him to the Freddie Mercury Solo box launch in 2000 not least because he's a genuine chap and real Queen fan. It was grey to chat with him and share a beer. Does that sound like I don't like him?[/b]
[b]Disagreeing with him, or being at odds over some issues, does not equate to disliking him. Don't be so presumptuous. Sweeping inaccurate comments like that potentially cause unnecessary problems.[/b]
[b]John did irritate me and others in the way he chose to conduct himself in the Hangman acetate affair. It would have so very much easier had he just said, "Ok, hands up to it. I don't have the acetate, and I won't waste any more of your time." I would have respected that. As it was, we all wasted silly time on chasing an item that never was. That would irritate you too, I'm sure. There is no need for John to 'defend himself' as you put it. I'm not attacking him. I'm merely stating the facts for the record. John is decent chap and I wish him well. Is he ok, do you know? Under what circumstances did he cease QZ input?[/b]
[b]HANGMAN…Pittrek you write….you (Greg) claim that a recording does not exist. John claims it does exist.[/b]
[b]Again WRONG. I said that John's acetate didn't exist, not at the time he said he had it anyway. And I further stated that [/b]I have never heard a studio version in our archive. Categorically never. That is true.[/b]
I did not say IT DOES NOT EXIST because it might do somewhere in the world for all I know. It might exist somewhere, but not in our archive. Are you getting it now? Please be careful with what you interpret and how report what other people say. [/b]
MARQUEE… turned out to be recordings from bootlegs of the time. NOT Marquee.[/b]
Hope that clears up some details. GB[/b]
Queen Archivist
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[b]Mr.QueenFan wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
Another chapter in the never ending and quite boring GB vs JSS war book?
OK, we get it, you don't like John. We got the message ages ago. No reason to drag it out again especially when John wasn't posting on Queenzone for the last few years and he can't defend himself.[/QUOTE]
This is very unfair Pittrek, very unfair!
I have disagreed with Greg in the past, and told him so at the time. But i´m grown up enough to move forward and focus on what really matters.
This time Greg has all the reasons to be offended at what people are saying to him and about him. I would respect people more if instead of writing long posts they just told Greg to fuck off! It would be more honest and it would prevent me from wasting my time reading long posts of people offending him without actually using offensive words.
In this case, i appreciate Greg´s input about the JSS story. I follow Queenzone since the beginning and Greg told the story exactely how it happened on this forum.
Now, if you don´t mind i will make my own conclusions about JSS´s claims about Hangman.
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
Ibex - the problem is much more complicated. Person A pays a lot of money for a tape. Person A sends the tape to Company B. Company B doesn't return the tape, but a digital copy of the tape suddenly gets bootlegged and the bootleggers suddenly make a lot of money. Not the owner of the tape, not anybody owning the copyright to the recording captured on the tape, but some bootlegger (a.k.a. criminal). That's problem numero uno. Problem #2 is what this means - there is (or was) a "leak" - somebody who works or worked for either Queen or the record company has direct access to an illegal bootleg company .[/QUOTE]
Criminal behaviour stays with the person, not the organization or their bosses. Each one is responsible for their own behaviour!
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
Hangman - you (Greg) claim that a recording does not exist. John claims it does exist. End of discussion. It's just word against word. I don't really care anymore on whose side is the truth. But I just can't stand the way how you claim that he's a liar simply because he refuses to let it out of this hands. I'm not going to claim it exists, and I'm not going to claim it does not exist. The only thing I can say is that I DON'T KNOW if it exist. The same goes for you. You can only say that you THINK it doesn't exist. If you want to use such absolute terms, you have to prove it, which you failed to do.
A few minutes ago I wrote that I'm happy you stopped insulting other Queenzoners and then I read this :-( [/QUOTE]
If the story is as Greg told above i believe JSS has some explanations to give to fans in Queenzone. Because if he was given all the conditions stated above and even had Brian May involved in the request, i want to know why he turned down such request hurting all the Queen fans included myself. Let me remember you Pittrek that JSS is the same person who says that the Fanthology´s project many CD´s and DVD´s were supposed to be shared in Queenzone for free as a response to the fact that QP failed to release the much expected and anticipated Demos Box-set. And then he refuses to let QP use his acetate for an official product? I´ll see what he has to say on this matter... or not!
But one thing i´m sure, he will read this post, because many people here are connected to him via Facebook.
Let´s see how this one unfolds. [/QUOTE]
[b]GB: You put that very well Mr.QueenFan. The insults never bother me (water off a duck's back) but the constant and relentless inaccuracy does. And people jumping on bandwagons who don't know the details and only take the 3rd or 4th hand word of other QZ-ers that have grudges and axes to grind. For such people to gather ALL their facts from such people, and not check them, OR realise they're only hearing half the story at best, is utterly stupid. But it's typical of so many QZers I'm afraid. Thats why I come visit every 3 years or so. Or when I'm after something for a Queen product - yes that's cynical, but true. I'm trying to make the best possible Queen product and even if that means wading through the QZ brown stuff, I'll do it - for a few days anyway.
[/b]
[b]Mr.QueenFan wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
Another chapter in the never ending and quite boring GB vs JSS war book?
OK, we get it, you don't like John. We got the message ages ago. No reason to drag it out again especially when John wasn't posting on Queenzone for the last few years and he can't defend himself.[/QUOTE]
This is very unfair Pittrek, very unfair!
I have disagreed with Greg in the past, and told him so at the time. But i´m grown up enough to move forward and focus on what really matters.
This time Greg has all the reasons to be offended at what people are saying to him and about him. I would respect people more if instead of writing long posts they just told Greg to fuck off! It would be more honest and it would prevent me from wasting my time reading long posts of people offending him without actually using offensive words.
In this case, i appreciate Greg´s input about the JSS story. I follow Queenzone since the beginning and Greg told the story exactely how it happened on this forum.
Now, if you don´t mind i will make my own conclusions about JSS´s claims about Hangman.
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
Ibex - the problem is much more complicated. Person A pays a lot of money for a tape. Person A sends the tape to Company B. Company B doesn't return the tape, but a digital copy of the tape suddenly gets bootlegged and the bootleggers suddenly make a lot of money. Not the owner of the tape, not anybody owning the copyright to the recording captured on the tape, but some bootlegger (a.k.a. criminal). That's problem numero uno. Problem #2 is what this means - there is (or was) a "leak" - somebody who works or worked for either Queen or the record company has direct access to an illegal bootleg company .[/QUOTE]
Criminal behaviour stays with the person, not the organization or their bosses. Each one is responsible for their own behaviour!
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
Hangman - you (Greg) claim that a recording does not exist. John claims it does exist. End of discussion. It's just word against word. I don't really care anymore on whose side is the truth. But I just can't stand the way how you claim that he's a liar simply because he refuses to let it out of this hands. I'm not going to claim it exists, and I'm not going to claim it does not exist. The only thing I can say is that I DON'T KNOW if it exist. The same goes for you. You can only say that you THINK it doesn't exist. If you want to use such absolute terms, you have to prove it, which you failed to do.
A few minutes ago I wrote that I'm happy you stopped insulting other Queenzoners and then I read this :-( [/QUOTE]
If the story is as Greg told above i believe JSS has some explanations to give to fans in Queenzone. Because if he was given all the conditions stated above and even had Brian May involved in the request, i want to know why he turned down such request hurting all the Queen fans included myself. Let me remember you Pittrek that JSS is the same person who says that the Fanthology´s project many CD´s and DVD´s were supposed to be shared in Queenzone for free as a response to the fact that QP failed to release the much expected and anticipated Demos Box-set. And then he refuses to let QP use his acetate for an official product? I´ll see what he has to say on this matter... or not!
But one thing i´m sure, he will read this post, because many people here are connected to him via Facebook.
Let´s see how this one unfolds. [/QUOTE]
[b]GB: You put that very well Mr.QueenFan. The insults never bother me (water off a duck's back) but the constant and relentless inaccuracy does. And people jumping on bandwagons who don't know the details and only take the 3rd or 4th hand word of other QZ-ers that have grudges and axes to grind. For such people to gather ALL their facts from such people, and not check them, OR realise they're only hearing half the story at best, is utterly stupid. But it's typical of so many QZers I'm afraid. Thats why I come visit every 3 years or so. Or when I'm after something for a Queen product - yes that's cynical, but true. I'm trying to make the best possible Queen product and even if that means wading through the QZ brown stuff, I'll do it - for a few days anyway.
[/b]
Queen Archivist
[QUOTE]
[b]ANAGRAMER wrote: [/b] Having read the archivist post in full, I must say I am disappointed by his attitude towards fans
"Moanzoaners" is not the way to refe to people who, at the end of the day, care about the quality of product issued by QPL and have contributed many invaluable items in the past
Looking at the most recent products from QPL, I think the archivist would do well to keep the fans onside and treat us with a degree of respect, otherwise we may have to put up with future releases with reprinted ticket stubs, reprinted silk scarves and celebratory balloons..perish the thought
As for the Hangman acetate, questioning a person's integrity will certainly deny you access to his possessions in future[/QUOTE]
GB: Anagramer, could you please tell us something we [b]don't[/b] know?
[b]ANAGRAMER wrote: [/b] Having read the archivist post in full, I must say I am disappointed by his attitude towards fans
"Moanzoaners" is not the way to refe to people who, at the end of the day, care about the quality of product issued by QPL and have contributed many invaluable items in the past
Looking at the most recent products from QPL, I think the archivist would do well to keep the fans onside and treat us with a degree of respect, otherwise we may have to put up with future releases with reprinted ticket stubs, reprinted silk scarves and celebratory balloons..perish the thought
As for the Hangman acetate, questioning a person's integrity will certainly deny you access to his possessions in future[/QUOTE]
GB: Anagramer, could you please tell us something we [b]don't[/b] know?
pittrek
Thanks a lot for the Marquee info.
matt z
[QUOTE] [b]scottmax wrote:[/b]
Seems to me that Mr Brooks is very disrespectful until he wants help with his work, then he comes crawling out of his shell, cap in hand.
Also his blatant disregard for people who ask him questions is disgusting, choosing only to answer what suits HIM.
He comes over as a very selfish guy, but hey, I don't know him, and only going off what other people say, he himself says, and the podcast he did a while back[/QUOTE]
Wow. It's like you've read my mind. There is a holier than thou kinda thing going on, even in the face of sometimes unnecessary criticism.
I find it kinda entertaining. With the mostly lackluster releases it's good to see people at least interested enough in something to bicker about it.
Rock on, everybody
Seems to me that Mr Brooks is very disrespectful until he wants help with his work, then he comes crawling out of his shell, cap in hand.
Also his blatant disregard for people who ask him questions is disgusting, choosing only to answer what suits HIM.
He comes over as a very selfish guy, but hey, I don't know him, and only going off what other people say, he himself says, and the podcast he did a while back[/QUOTE]
Wow. It's like you've read my mind. There is a holier than thou kinda thing going on, even in the face of sometimes unnecessary criticism.
I find it kinda entertaining. With the mostly lackluster releases it's good to see people at least interested enough in something to bicker about it.
Rock on, everybody
Kuijpy
I dont believe a word what GB says....
scottmax
[QUOTE] [b]Kuijpy wrote:[/b]
I dont believe a word what GB says....[/QUOTE]
Tbh I don't think the majority do....
For all of his talk, there's very little to show for it for US, the fans.
How long does it take to write sleeve notes, take a few pictures, because he doesn't do the so called remastering does he?
The list of live recordings he came out with a few years ago didn't nothing to enhance his case.
In my eyes, until he offers something to this site, and not just coming and besmirching people, he may as well stay away
I dont believe a word what GB says....[/QUOTE]
Tbh I don't think the majority do....
For all of his talk, there's very little to show for it for US, the fans.
How long does it take to write sleeve notes, take a few pictures, because he doesn't do the so called remastering does he?
The list of live recordings he came out with a few years ago didn't nothing to enhance his case.
In my eyes, until he offers something to this site, and not just coming and besmirching people, he may as well stay away
Rick
Can we have more balloons on the next release?