A Fan's Property, Lost by Greg Brooks in the Last Century, circa 1999

[QUOTE] [b]Battler wrote:[/b]

So basically, John S. Stuart is nothing but a massive fraud. This probably means Fanthology is a load of bovine excrement as well, well they probably did have what little they have but David R. Fuller heroically leaked all of it, though unfortunately, Greg and QPL were siding with Fanthology at the time.
I am no longer expecting anything from John S. Stuart or anyone else involved in Fanthology. If there's anything new going to be released, I expect it from either QPL or David R. Fuller. In fact, I think QPL should team with Fuller to release the ultimate demo collection.
I suspect the Fanthology people might have even been the ones that really flagged sikke's videos on YouTube for copyright infringement in QPL's name. Most probably, sikke was about to release more stuff that Fanthology was sitting on (though probably not much) and so had to be stopped.[/QUOTE]

Wow, so much anger and hatred for people you don't know.

If you don't even know who's in the fanthology, then how do you know they haven't still been putting things out there to this day?

You're usually pretty bang on, but 90% of what you've written in thread is completely off the mark.

[QUOTE] [b]Kuijpy wrote:[/b]

Greg could do that, but he wouldn't, he dont gives a fuck about other fans. Its just him, him, him, him and him.

Fuck Off and Die you Fag[/QUOTE]


GB: Firstly, I see you might be Dutch. I have several wonderful friends in Holland. I love the country and its people and I don't want anyone thinking I have anything against Holland. I emphatically do not. I only have something against you.

Kuijpy, you are an aggressive, unintelligent twat… to say the least. If you are 13 years old with no friends, it would explain a lot. But I'm sensing you're an adult - albeit with a child's mind and IQ - and therefore fair game and able to stand accountable for your words here on QZ.

I have just written, elsewhere on this forum, which was partly aimed at you… I wish people that hide behind silly bogus nicknames, and call me a Fag, and the like, would be open and honest and come and see me in person (you know where I am) and say it to me face. How brave would those nameless spineless "small minded" morons be in that scenario I wonder?

So, Kuijpy… put your money where your mouth is, and come and say that, and anything else you have, to my face. Be a man about it. Be brave. Stop hiding behind your bogus nickname. If you feel big enough to insult me while hiding from a distance, I presume you'd be happy to say it directly to my face. I am often in Holland and would love to meet with you. Are you ever in the UK? If so, email me and we can arrange a meeting - unless you are too spineless to stand by your words and be accountable for what comes out of your ugly mind and mouth.

Say something clever to that ! GB

battler, re:

>>he made a claim, he needs to back it up with cold, hard evidence otherwise the claim is unsupported and is to be given no consideration.

He doesn't NEED to do anything of the sort. There's no reason to dispute the word of someone that hasn't previously been questioned other than to come to the conclusion that so much doubt exists because some people are so *DESPERATE* to actually HEAR "Hangman" in the studio.

>>What he knows himself is not evidence as we can not independently examine it. Even a photo would be circumstantial evidence at best because it's easy to find any old acetate, slap a "Hangman" sticker on it, and pretend it's the real deal.

And someone would go to those lengths this long after having put his hand up to say it exists? Surely, if John was that interested in justifying himself, he'd have done that by now......... As someone previously commented, if "Hangman" does appear, its not going to add anything to the reputation of the band and we'd have to wait for some considerable time for QPL come up with a magical re-release or early years rarities box set for it to see the light of day. Sad indeed it is that all we have to show for the band's early rarities is that pile of shite "Mad The Swine"..........

>>Now a photo accompanied by a recording would be damned good evidence.

And therein lies the rub - you want to hear the recording.

At the end of the day, it's quite simple: whoever wants to believe it exists, will do so even if Freddie resurrects and tells them it doesn't; whoever wants to believe it doesn't exist, will do so even if they hear a recording of it.

^^^^ this

[QUOTE] [b]Queen Archivist wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Kuijpy wrote:[/b]

Greg could do that, but he wouldn't, he dont gives a fuck about other fans. Its just him, him, him, him and him.

Fuck Off and Die you Fag[/QUOTE]


GB: Firstly, I see you might be Dutch. I have several wonderful friends in Holland. I love the country and its people and I don't want anyone thinking I have anything against Holland. I emphatically do not. I
only have something against you.

Kuijpy, you are an aggressive, unintelligent twat… to say the least. If you are 13 years old with no friends, it would explain a lot. But I'm sensing you're an adult - albeit with a child's mind and IQ - and therefore fair game and able to stand accountable
for your words here on QZ.

I have just written, elsewhere on this forum, which was partly aimed at you… I wish people that hide behind silly bogus nicknames, and call me a Fag,
and the like, would be open and honest and come and see me in person (you know where I am) and say it to me face. How brave would those nameless
spineless "small minded" morons be in that scenario I wonder?

So, Kuijpy… put your money where your mouth is,
and come and say that, and anything else you have, to my face. Be a man about it. Be brave. Stop hiding behind your bogus nickname. If you feel big
enough to insult me while hiding from a distance, I presume you'd be happy to say it directly to my face. I am often in Holland and would love to meet with you. Are you ever in the UK? If so, email me and we can arrange a meeting - unless you are too spineless to stand by your words and be
accountable for what comes out of your ugly mind and mouth.

Say something clever to that ! GB[/QUOTE]


Well said sir!

[QUOTE] [b]Queen Archivist wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Kuijpy wrote:[/b]

Greg could do that, but he wouldn't, he dont gives a fuck about other fans. Its just him, him, him, him and him.

Fuck Off and Die you Fag[/QUOTE]


GB: Firstly, I see you might be Dutch. I have several wonderful friends in Holland. I love the country and its people and I don't want anyone thinking I have anything against Holland. I emphatically do not. I only have something against you.

Kuijpy, you are an aggressive, unintelligent twat… to say the least. If you are 13 years old with no friends, it would explain a lot. But I'm sensing you're an adult - albeit with a child's mind and IQ - and therefore fair game and able to stand accountable for your words here on QZ.

I have just written, elsewhere on this forum, which was partly aimed at you… I wish people that hide behind silly bogus nicknames, and call me a Fag, and the like, would be open and honest and come and see me in person (you know where I am) and say it to me face. How brave would those nameless spineless "small minded" morons be in that scenario I wonder?

So, Kuijpy… put your money where your mouth is, and come and say that, and anything else you have, to my face. Be a man about it. Be brave. Stop hiding behind your bogus nickname. If you feel big enough to insult me while hiding from a distance, I presume you'd be happy to say it directly to my face. I am often in Holland and would love to meet with you. Are you ever in the UK? If so, email me and we can arrange a meeting - unless you are too spineless to stand by your words and be accountable for what comes out of your ugly mind and mouth.

Say something clever to that ! GB[/QUOTE]

Unbelievable, frankly - completely pointless reply.. Brings to mind bar brawls and red necks. An online argument is not rebutted by challenging the person concerned to discuss it in person. It is either discussed online, or if the person concerned is making an arugment which doesn't even merit a reply because it is so rude/silly/offensive etc., then that person is ignored.

What would you do if Kuijpy turned up in the UK and said the exact same stuff he wrote? Would you proceed to spank him violently? Would you challenge him to bare-knuckle fist fight?

Or would you hope that someone conveniently brings out a measuring tape to measure the size of your respective dicks? The one with the bigger dick would be the winner of the argument. Said winner would proceed to strip his shirt off and beat his manly chest, having proven that he is capable of defeating people when he is not hiding behind a screen. And the Queen Archive would have gained absolutely nothing.

[QUOTE] [b]Costa86 wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Queen Archivist wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Kuijpy wrote:[/b]

Greg could do that, but he wouldn't, he dont gives a fuck about other fans. Its just him, him, him, him and him.

Fuck Off and Die you Fag[/QUOTE]


GB: Firstly, I see you might be Dutch. I have several wonderful friends in Holland. I love the country and its people and I don't want anyone thinking I have anything against Holland. I emphatically do not. I only have something against you.

Kuijpy, you are an aggressive, unintelligent twat… to say the least. If you are 13 years old with no friends, it would explain a lot. But I'm sensing you're an
adult - albeit with a child's mind and IQ - and therefore fair game and able to stand accountable for your words here on QZ.

I have just written, elsewhere on this forum, which was partly aimed at you… I wish people that hide behind silly bogus nicknames, and call me a Fag, and the like, would be open and honest and come and see me in person (you know where I am) and say it to me face. How brave would those nameless spineless "small minded" morons be in that scenario I wonder?

So, Kuijpy… put your money where your mouth is, and come and say that, and anything else you have, to my face. Be a man about it. Be brave. Stop hiding behind your bogus nickname. If you feel big enough to insult me while hiding from a distance, I
presume you'd be happy to say it directly to my face. I am often in Holland and would love to meet with you. Are you ever in the UK? If so, email me and we can arrange a meeting - unless you are too
spineless to stand by your words and be accountable for what comes out of your ugly mind and mouth.


Say something clever to that ! GB[/QUOTE]

Unbelievable, frankly - completely pointless reply.. Brings to mind bar brawls and red necks. An online
argument is not rebutted by challenging the person concerned to discuss it in person. It is either discussed online, or if the person concerned is making an arugment which doesn't even merit a
reply because it is so rude/silly/offensive etc., then that person is ignored.

What would you do if Kuijpy turned up in the UK and said the exact same stuff he wrote? Would you
proceed to spank him violently? Would you challenge him to bare-knuckle fist fight?

Or would you hope that someone conveniently
brings out a measuring tape to measure the size of your respective dicks? The one with the bigger dick would be the winner of the argument. Said winner would proceed to strip his shirt off and beat his manly chest, having proven that he is capable of
defeating people when he is not hiding behind a screen. And the Queen Archive would have gained absolutely nothing.

[/QUOTE]

Not sure that's what GB was trying to achieve.

Through the years a number of people on here have posted replies to comments which I'm sure they wouldn't say in a face to face conversation. Hiding behind a keyboard and in some cases an online name probably make you (us) feel safe from having to be answerable for our actions.

I think GB was right in his view here. . . Think back to the crap Gerry flung at people he didn't agree with. Would any of that have been said sitting in a bar a coffee shop or anywhere else where people are in direct contact with each other and therefore responsible for the reply which they may elicit.

[QUOTE] [b]dudeofqueen wrote:[/b]

battler, re:

>>he made a claim, he needs to back it up with cold, hard evidence otherwise the claim is unsupported and is to be given no consideration.

He doesn't NEED to do anything of the sort. There's no reason to dispute the word of someone that hasn't previously been questioned other than to come to the conclusion that so much doubt exists because some people are so *DESPERATE* to actually HEAR "Hangman" in the studio.

>>What he knows himself is not evidence as we can not independently examine it. Even a photo would be circumstantial evidence at best because it's easy to find any old acetate, slap a "Hangman" sticker on it, and pretend it's the real deal.

And someone would go to those lengths this long after having put his hand up to say it exists? Surely, if John was that interested in justifying himself, he'd have done that by now......... As someone previously commented, if "Hangman" does appear, its not going to add anything to the reputation of the band and we'd have to wait for some considerable time for QPL come up with a magical re-release or early years rarities box set for it to see the light of day. Sad indeed it is that all we have to show for the band's early rarities is that pile of shite "Mad The Swine"..........

>>Now a photo accompanied by a recording would be damned good evidence.

And therein lies the rub - you want to hear the recording.
[/QUOTE]

I respect John and appreciate is sharings in the past, but that doesn´t mean that i won´t scrutinize his words and behaviour.

And stop judging people on your assumptions - of course John needs to prove with audio that it exists - not to us, but at least to QP or Brian and Roger. Call it ethiquete!
He went public with his claim, so don´t tell me that he doesn´t need to back it up with at least a sample for Brian May be sure that is exists.
The problem here is not John having something we all know exists, it´s him owning something no one (including the band) know exists.

It has nothing to do with us wanting to hear the song - but of course we want!

And then you wrote this political correct statement:

"He doesn't NEED to do anything of the sort. There's no reason to dispute the word of someone that hasn't previously been questioned other than to come to the conclusion that so much doubt exists because some people are so *DESPERATE* to actually HEAR "Hangman" in the studio."

Of course there´s the need to dispute the word of someone who hasn´t been previously questioned - that´s called scrutinity, and it´s healthy!
Right now Greg Brooks and pretty much all of QP and some Queen fans don´t believe that John Stuart was being honest about this claim. And the reasons are obvious - if he could prove it´s existence would he deny it to Brian May?

I tell you something - right know i really hope that he was pranking QP. I can understand the joke, and in the end we all wanted to do it at some point in time. In fact, i think it´s genius!

But if he really has it, and the story Greg told in his post about him not answering Brian´s request is true, then that wasn´t very repectfull to Brian and QP was it?

There are four people who are very important in Queen´s world:

- Freddie, Brian, John, and Roger.

And these four gentlemen deserve all the respect from their fans. Brian shouldn´t be asking for fans to lend him stuff that HE recorded. Stuff should be getting into his hands without him even asking for it. That´s how it works!

[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]

Brian shouldn´t be asking for fans to lend him stuff that HE recorded.
[/QUOTE]

Not just him, but three other band members, plus outside employees (co-producer, engineers). Brian's not the only person involved.

[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]

Stuff should be getting into his hands without him even asking for it. That´s how it works!
[/QUOTE]

Not necessarily.

Mr.QueenFan, re:

>>And stop judging people on your assumptions - of course John needs to prove with audio that it exists - not to us, but at least to QP or Brian and Roger. Call it ethiquete!

On the assumption that English isn't your first language, I'll forgive you for this. If it's not, the sentence just does not make sense at all. Where on EARTH have I judged anyone based on that comment?

>>And these four gentlemen deserve all the respect from their fans. Brian shouldn´t be asking for fans to lend him stuff that HE recorded. Stuff should be getting into his hands without him even asking for it. That´s how it works!

That's the most naïve post I've read on Queenzone for some time.

The fact is that the collecting community make up for the negligence of those fine fellows that you so glowingly refer to. If Brian, Roger, QPL etc were so bloody wonderful, there'd be no need for any of this - everything would be in the organisation's possession. The fact is that it isn't and collectors have spent large sums of money preserving the legacy of a band that they care deeply about. Why should they offer up their property for nothing just because QPL asks for it?

This is all I have to say on the matter.
I don't know whether JSS has the acetate or not, frankly I don't care. If he does it's his to do with as he pleases, if he doesn't it's been a hell of a prank.
However, my encounters with JSS have revealed him as someone who is prepared to pass recordings off as "real Queen Rarities" when they are not.
A long long time ago I used to run the Queen Hub, JSS was invited to join by YV, Given his reputation as a serious collector I was surprised when he agreed but he did and he shared what appeared to be a large number of what were at that time very rare tracks.
On closer scrutiny the real rarities were shown to be either fakes, (the old mono speaker trick) or renamed files which weren't actually what the title said. His response - it's a laugh.
Like the old romans said Caveat emptor.

some very obvious conclusions from this thread:

1] GB will never change - his [i][b]modus operandi[/b][/i] is simple - drop by here (and other forums) from time to time to stir some sh*t, scrounge and generally get everyone to do his job for him. He does it here, because he couldn't get away with it at [b]QOL[/b] - they censor everything, and - as a QPL employee they'd fire him

2] Greedy leeching fans will always use as desperate means as possible to try and glean another "rarity" - [i][b]"i don't believe you have it, prove it!"[/b][/i] - how fekkin' childishly unoriginal. it's been tried since forever - and never worked...so why would it now?

3] GB will always come begging - and will NEVER offer any kinda truth in return - remember the [b][i]"archives - live videos content"[/i][/b] misinformation?

4] Collectors do NOT have to prove to ANYONE what they have or don't have. People like JSS should not have their reputation called into question just because some wind-up merchant (GB) decides JSS is fair game - or because some newbie board member thinks they have a instant divine right to EVERY rarity.

5] JSS (or anyone else) would be foolish to lend any more stuff to QPL - it's beyond doubt that they are far too chavalier with other people's things.

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[b]Bottom Line:[/b]

All you smart-bollox, grasping leeches can believe what you want. No amount of goading, name-calling and reputation-slighting crap will get you an audio copy of "Hangman". Your attitudes have significantly reduced many serious collectors' visits and willingness to share to almost negligible levels. 

Perhaps if you'd behaved less "grabby", "insulting" and "disbelieving" then maybe it (Hangman) might have been shared a long time ago.

At the end of the day, and not to disrespect anyone, 'Hangman' is not precisely Queen's magnum opus.

Someone else (probably mooghead, but I'm not sure) correctly said a few years ago that the holy grail was definitely the set of 'Bo Rhap' multitracks, and now we've all got that. Anything else will almost invariably pale in comparison.

Moreover, loads of rarities are often only heard once or twice and then discarded. There's a reason they're officially unreleased anyway.

Of course there are gems here and there, both official and unofficial, but IMO not enough to justify all the flame bait and online heated debates, name-calling and almost bullying.

Prince has safe where was found a ton of records that nobody knows about, although he talked about it. My heart feels that soon these records will be released.