Hot Space - a little gem

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[QUOTE] [b]Mark_Glasgow wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]master marathon runner wrote:[/b]
I can see your point there MG /\[/QUOTE]
then it's a bizarrely-made point of incomparable bizarrness...because - how anyone can accuse Innuendo of being more filler then Hot Space is beyond me
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OK maybe I should explain why opinion....if you like HS or not, it was the last time Queen tried something truly different. After that, The Works, AKOM and The Miracle were singles plus filler. Not saying some of the filler wasn't good but they weren't treading any new water.[/QUOTE]
you talk like The Game never happened!
HS was just more of the same. it wasn't risky/different/groundbreaking. you make it sound like they (queen) were ploughing a lone furrow - they were't

for example, Bowie, Elton, Purple, Doobies, Zep, ELO, Eagles, and even fucking Kiss had done disco/funk/dance many years before them - queen were very late to the table with this concept

added to that was lazy song-writing, piss-poor arrangements, muddy production, and a bone-idle approach to use of instruments

THAT ^ is why it's the worst album queen made
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I disagree, but its just a difference of opinion. It was the last album that I played for months after I bought it, everything after I thought had much more bland filler.

[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Mark_Glasgow wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]master marathon runner wrote:[/b]
I can see your point there MG /\[/QUOTE]
then it's a bizarrely-made point of incomparable bizarrness...because - how anyone can accuse Innuendo of being more filler then Hot Space is beyond me
[/QUOTE]
OK maybe I should explain why opinion....if you like HS or not, it was the last time Queen tried something truly different. After that, The Works, AKOM and The Miracle were singles plus filler. Not saying some of the filler wasn't good but they weren't treading any new water.[/QUOTE]
you talk like The Game never happened!
HS was just more of the same. it wasn't risky/different/groundbreaking. you make it sound like they (queen) were ploughing a lone furrow - they were't

for example, Bowie, Elton, Purple, Doobies, Zep, ELO, Eagles, and even fucking Kiss had done disco/funk/dance many years before them - queen were very late to the table with this concept

added to that was lazy song-writing, piss-poor arrangements, muddy production, and a bone-idle approach to use of instruments

THAT ^ is why it's the worst album queen made
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That sounds about right

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How is The Game like Hot Space? The Game has more of an American rock n roll feel, Hot Space is more like euro cheese disco

^^ my comment stands up. i never said The Game and Hot Space were the same.
I said HS was more of the same.

The dance/soul/disco type sounds on HS echoed, "dust" "dragon attack" and "don't try suicide"
"Calling All Girls" and "Action" are very similar in feel to "Need Your Loving" "Rock It" and "Coming Soon"
Both albums have a couple of ballad standards: "Sail Away" & "Save Me" vs "Las Palabras" & "Life Is Real"

so i think there's plenty "more of the same" in terms of repeated ideas/themes - only second time round it was lazily cobbled together

Totally!

Totally what?

Need your loving and Rock it sound like traditional rock and roll to me. Indeed the cover and image suggest pastiche rock n roll. The bass heavy songs on the game are a lot sparse and have some aggression in the performance.. The first three or four songs on Hot Space aren't like that.

In u2 terms The Game is Rattle and Hum. Hot Space is Pop. The album that made u2 risk averse ever after.

Just listened to Elton John`s "Victim of Love" Album...now that`s a little gem my friends....:)

By the way: https://youtu.be/gzOt2VGUAlk?t=8m12s

There, crystal clear: John didn't like it. Source: John himself.

[QUOTE] [b]musicland munich wrote:[/b]

Just listened to Elton John`s "Victim of Love" Album...now that`s a little gem my friends....:)[/QUOTE]

shame people have no concept of what a "little gem" is

nice shout btw. i'd add

bowie - diamond dogs
boston - 3rd stage
sammy hagar - danger zone
jellyfish - bellybutton

Yes good calls if the "concept" of the thread was what other random collection of albums have people listened to this month

oh is that what this is about?

well.... I'd also suggest:

Esperanza Spalding : Emily's D+Evolution (*phenomenal: borderline jazz/rock/prog/concept, farking delicious music for your ears)

Prince's last album: Hit And Run Phase II was very good as well, even if a handful sound like old demos reworked; it's not entirely new to Prince to do that.

avoid Phase I though; the idea of Josh Weldon producing an album to sound "modern" totally was a boat load of -ish except X's face and "1,000 X's and O's" (an Al Green styled smooth jam)

Interesting
I like the way Ms Spalding handles a double bass

Bowie - Aladin Sane
Sensational Alex Harvey Band - Next
The Beatles - The White Album

( I feel a tangent thread coming on.........that's good, nothing wrong with that )

Big gems?

Artaud - Luis Alberto Spinetta
Bocanada - Gustavo Cerati
Clix Modernos - Charly García
Signos (brunogorski knows hahaha), or Canción Animal - Soda Stereo

In the 1980s Queen went through a period of producing some really not great albums with some good songs on them. IMHO their last great album was The Game, and then it was patchy up to and including The Miracle.

Hot Space has some nice moments - all the albums do - but on the whole I don't think it's a great album. It has some cool moments, but it also has some absolute shit on it too. I don't like Action This Day for instance, and Las Palabras De Amor actually just misses being a good song in my opinion. LPDA is, to me, a boring song badly sung, sits right on his break and he (Freddie) sounds a bit strained on it despite it being nowhere near the top of his range.

I quite like Cool Cat, I don't know why, I know it's not their best song, but for some reason I've a soft spot for it and I've no idea why. Same with Calling All Girls. There's something about it I quite like, even though I know its a shitty song.

On the whole Hot Space sounds like they're rock musicians trying to do funk, and it doesn't work. Actually it's one of the few Queen albums you could put on as background music and not really listen to. Most of the others you have to take time out to hear.

For me, The Works is better but still patchy, Magic is ropey although the legendary tour makes it quite an important milestone in Queen's career, and the fact it's tied up to the film, and Freddie actually sounds epic on it. The Miracle I could have done without, although I like one or two songs on it, but generally it's not great, and I'd rather listen to Barcelona.

Innuendo is a great album with a couple of hairy moments on it, although in context of what was happening that can be forgiven and even admired, and Made In Heaven is too difficult to say - I sometimes wonder what would have taken shape had Freddie survived into combination therapy (as some people did actually), and they had 10 new songs. By the way, I'm not trying to derail the thread or talk about Freddie's illness, I'm just kind of putting Hot Space into context. Hot Space was kind of the middle of the worst period for Queen as a band, that 1982-1984 period was not a good time for relations in the band and looking back you can hear they're just holding it together.

At the time though, most probably thought they were just making some albums that weren't on form and dated too quickly.