Oscar J
His Works and Magic vocals are the worst in his entire career. The best are his 77 - 79 vocals. IMO. :)
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brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]raucousmonster wrote:[/b]
I Want To Break Free is a quite good song which has a staggeringly good lead vocal which lifts it up into something really rather special.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely right!
In 1983 Freddie´s tone had developed into the most beautifull i´ve heard in his career. Songs like "I want to break free" and "Radio GaGa" are superb and timeless because of Freddie´s vocals.
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not live it hadn't. i don't know how many "before and after" live gigs you attended....but 79, was better vocally than 82, which was still much better than 84 and 86. 86 is just better than 84.
but, by 84, Freddie's smoking had increased and he wasn't looking after his voice at all...
almost everything requiring any kind of control, range or power - sounded "raspy" live
[QUOTE] [b]raucousmonster wrote:[/b]
I Want To Break Free is a quite good song which has a staggeringly good lead vocal which lifts it up into something really rather special.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely right!
In 1983 Freddie´s tone had developed into the most beautifull i´ve heard in his career. Songs like "I want to break free" and "Radio GaGa" are superb and timeless because of Freddie´s vocals.
[/QUOTE]
not live it hadn't. i don't know how many "before and after" live gigs you attended....but 79, was better vocally than 82, which was still much better than 84 and 86. 86 is just better than 84.
but, by 84, Freddie's smoking had increased and he wasn't looking after his voice at all...
almost everything requiring any kind of control, range or power - sounded "raspy" live
Holly2003
[QUOTE] [b]fras444 wrote:[/b]
Flash is often overlooked transitional tease..hey only two true songs on the album to speak off but.... that would have to of been such a huge tease for all those who lived that era and those who were expecting something of an 80s Queen II epic album with synth, bass, drums, vocals and guitar to then end up waiting two years for hotspace when I hear "The Hero" all I can think of is how far they could have pushed the boundaries of that type of music and make it a trademark "Queen" sound layered guitars synth and vocal harmonys.[/QUOTE]
That's an excellent point. Never thought of it that way before. If we compare the The Hero to similar songs based around a simple guitar riff on Hot Space i.e. Put out the Fire, or The Works, Tear It Up, The Hero is exciting, fun, and has an epic feel to it whereas both Put out the Fire Tear It Up are dull, muddy and uninspiring. How did they deteriorate so quickly from one to the other? The synths on the Flash Gordon album are simple but exciting and fun. The synths on Hot Space are simple but dull; they seemed dated even back in 1982. So imagine indeed if Hot Space and The Works had more of the fun and excitement of the FG soundtrack.
Flash is often overlooked transitional tease..hey only two true songs on the album to speak off but.... that would have to of been such a huge tease for all those who lived that era and those who were expecting something of an 80s Queen II epic album with synth, bass, drums, vocals and guitar to then end up waiting two years for hotspace when I hear "The Hero" all I can think of is how far they could have pushed the boundaries of that type of music and make it a trademark "Queen" sound layered guitars synth and vocal harmonys.[/QUOTE]
That's an excellent point. Never thought of it that way before. If we compare the The Hero to similar songs based around a simple guitar riff on Hot Space i.e. Put out the Fire, or The Works, Tear It Up, The Hero is exciting, fun, and has an epic feel to it whereas both Put out the Fire Tear It Up are dull, muddy and uninspiring. How did they deteriorate so quickly from one to the other? The synths on the Flash Gordon album are simple but exciting and fun. The synths on Hot Space are simple but dull; they seemed dated even back in 1982. So imagine indeed if Hot Space and The Works had more of the fun and excitement of the FG soundtrack.
Holly2003
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]raucousmonster wrote:[/b]
I Want To Break Free is a quite good song which has a staggeringly good lead vocal which lifts it up into something really rather special.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely right!
In 1983 Freddie´s tone had developed into the most beautifull i´ve heard in his career. Songs like "I want to break free" and "Radio GaGa" are superb and timeless because of Freddie´s vocals.
[/QUOTE]
not live it hadn't. i don't know how many "before and after" live gigs you attended....but 79, was better vocally than 82, which was still much better than 84 and 86. 86 is just better than 84.
but, by 84, Freddie's smoking had increased and he wasn't looking after his voice at all...
almost everything requiring any kind of control, range or power - sounded "raspy" live
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Yep. For example, the live rendition of I Want to Break Free is painful to listen to. I also think Fred's vocals on the live version of Hammer to Fall at Live Aid are raspy and he shouts a bit rather than sings.
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]raucousmonster wrote:[/b]
I Want To Break Free is a quite good song which has a staggeringly good lead vocal which lifts it up into something really rather special.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely right!
In 1983 Freddie´s tone had developed into the most beautifull i´ve heard in his career. Songs like "I want to break free" and "Radio GaGa" are superb and timeless because of Freddie´s vocals.
[/QUOTE]
not live it hadn't. i don't know how many "before and after" live gigs you attended....but 79, was better vocally than 82, which was still much better than 84 and 86. 86 is just better than 84.
but, by 84, Freddie's smoking had increased and he wasn't looking after his voice at all...
almost everything requiring any kind of control, range or power - sounded "raspy" live
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Yep. For example, the live rendition of I Want to Break Free is painful to listen to. I also think Fred's vocals on the live version of Hammer to Fall at Live Aid are raspy and he shouts a bit rather than sings.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
Yep. For example, the live rendition of I Want to Break Free is painful to listen to.[/QUOTE]
On most nights, yeah.
But on that South Africa show he's squeaky clean.
Yep. For example, the live rendition of I Want to Break Free is painful to listen to.[/QUOTE]
On most nights, yeah.
But on that South Africa show he's squeaky clean.
Mark_Glasgow
Going back to the original post, Hot Space is that last great Queen album, everything else after that was singles with filler IMHO
master marathon runner
I can see your point there MG /\
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]master marathon runner wrote:[/b]
I can see your point there MG /\[/QUOTE]
then it's a bizarrely-made point of incomparable bizarrness...because - how anyone can accuse Innuendo of being more filler then Hot Space is beyond me
I can see your point there MG /\[/QUOTE]
then it's a bizarrely-made point of incomparable bizarrness...because - how anyone can accuse Innuendo of being more filler then Hot Space is beyond me
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]master marathon runner wrote:[/b]
........Anyway, back to Hot Space, - how do you think it's stood the test of time? - only kidding folks, only kidding ![/QUOTE]
sorry i missed this one ^^^
i don't think it even "kneels" or "crawls" through The Test Of Time lol
........Anyway, back to Hot Space, - how do you think it's stood the test of time? - only kidding folks, only kidding ![/QUOTE]
sorry i missed this one ^^^
i don't think it even "kneels" or "crawls" through The Test Of Time lol
Oscar J
Hot Space is basically filler with Under Pressure on it (and even that one is far, far from their best).
Mr Prime Jive
After The Hero, I can only imagine the DECEPTION of the fans waiting for something in those lines and ending with badly produced synth pop in the vain of Visage, The Associates, Human League, and even Imagination (Body Talk anyone?). Still interesting enough, you can trace a lineage between Dancer>Music and Lights>Wannabe Starting Something. Three evolutions of the same song in chronological order.
Mark_Glasgow
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]master marathon runner wrote:[/b]
I can see your point there MG /\[/QUOTE]
then it's a bizarrely-made point of incomparable bizarrness...because - how anyone can accuse Innuendo of being more filler then Hot Space is beyond me
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OK maybe I should explain why opinion....if you like HS or not, it was the last time Queen tried something truly different. After that, The Works, AKOM and The Miracle were singles plus filler. Not saying some of the filler wasn't good but they weren't treading any new water.
If you didn't like these poppier albums, the fans who had been waiting for Queen to revert back to their 70s style would have seen Innuendo as a return to form, but I don't think it comes close to any album from the 70s. Again some good songs but overall weaker than any 70s stuff and nothing really new or different....hence the comment their last great album, where they were pushing themselves rather than turning out pop albums with great singles.
Its always down to opinion of course, but HS was the last album that I bought by Queen that made me want to keep playing it as it was interesting....after that I still bought them but they weren't as captivating as they had always been previous.
[QUOTE] [b]master marathon runner wrote:[/b]
I can see your point there MG /\[/QUOTE]
then it's a bizarrely-made point of incomparable bizarrness...because - how anyone can accuse Innuendo of being more filler then Hot Space is beyond me
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OK maybe I should explain why opinion....if you like HS or not, it was the last time Queen tried something truly different. After that, The Works, AKOM and The Miracle were singles plus filler. Not saying some of the filler wasn't good but they weren't treading any new water.
If you didn't like these poppier albums, the fans who had been waiting for Queen to revert back to their 70s style would have seen Innuendo as a return to form, but I don't think it comes close to any album from the 70s. Again some good songs but overall weaker than any 70s stuff and nothing really new or different....hence the comment their last great album, where they were pushing themselves rather than turning out pop albums with great singles.
Its always down to opinion of course, but HS was the last album that I bought by Queen that made me want to keep playing it as it was interesting....after that I still bought them but they weren't as captivating as they had always been previous.
Oscar J
Except, as has been explained over and over in this thread, they weren't treading any new water with Hot Space. They weren't pushing themselves. At that point, it was musically by far the most unambitious and bland thing they had ever done (though HS would late be under strong competition from their other 80's album for that title).
Unless, by "threading new water" you mean starting to release crap music, putting less musical finesse into the whole album than they had done for individual tracks in earlier albums.
Unless, by "threading new water" you mean starting to release crap music, putting less musical finesse into the whole album than they had done for individual tracks in earlier albums.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]Mark_Glasgow wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]master marathon runner wrote:[/b]
I can see your point there MG /\[/QUOTE]
then it's a bizarrely-made point of incomparable bizarrness...because - how anyone can accuse Innuendo of being more filler then Hot Space is beyond me
[/QUOTE]
OK maybe I should explain why opinion....if you like HS or not, it was the last time Queen tried something truly different. After that, The Works, AKOM and The Miracle were singles plus filler. Not saying some of the filler wasn't good but they weren't treading any new water.[/QUOTE]
you talk like The Game never happened!
HS was just more of the same. it wasn't risky/different/groundbreaking. you make it sound like they (queen) were ploughing a lone furrow - they were't
for example, Bowie, Elton, Purple, Doobies, Zep, ELO, Eagles, and even fucking Kiss had done disco/funk/dance many years before them - queen were very late to the table with this concept
added to that was lazy song-writing, piss-poor arrangements, muddy production, and a bone-idle approach to use of instruments
THAT ^ is why it's the worst album queen made
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]master marathon runner wrote:[/b]
I can see your point there MG /\[/QUOTE]
then it's a bizarrely-made point of incomparable bizarrness...because - how anyone can accuse Innuendo of being more filler then Hot Space is beyond me
[/QUOTE]
OK maybe I should explain why opinion....if you like HS or not, it was the last time Queen tried something truly different. After that, The Works, AKOM and The Miracle were singles plus filler. Not saying some of the filler wasn't good but they weren't treading any new water.[/QUOTE]
you talk like The Game never happened!
HS was just more of the same. it wasn't risky/different/groundbreaking. you make it sound like they (queen) were ploughing a lone furrow - they were't
for example, Bowie, Elton, Purple, Doobies, Zep, ELO, Eagles, and even fucking Kiss had done disco/funk/dance many years before them - queen were very late to the table with this concept
added to that was lazy song-writing, piss-poor arrangements, muddy production, and a bone-idle approach to use of instruments
THAT ^ is why it's the worst album queen made
luthorn
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Mark_Glasgow wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]master marathon runner wrote:[/b]
I can see your point there MG /\[/QUOTE]
then it's a bizarrely-made point of incomparable bizarrness...because - how anyone can accuse Innuendo of being more filler then Hot Space is beyond me
[/QUOTE]
OK maybe I should explain why opinion....if you like HS or not, it was the last time Queen tried something truly different. After that, The Works, AKOM and The Miracle were singles plus filler. Not saying some of the filler wasn't good but they weren't treading any new water.[/QUOTE]
you talk like The Game never happened!
HS was just more of the same. it wasn't risky/different/groundbreaking. you make it sound like they (queen) were ploughing a lone furrow - they were't
for example, Bowie, Elton, Purple, Doobies, Zep, ELO, Eagles, and even fucking Kiss had done disco/funk/dance many years before them - queen were very late to the table with this concept
added to that was lazy song-writing, piss-poor arrangements, muddy production, and a bone-idle approach to use of instruments
THAT ^ is why it's the worst album queen made
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That sounds about right
[QUOTE] [b]Mark_Glasgow wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]master marathon runner wrote:[/b]
I can see your point there MG /\[/QUOTE]
then it's a bizarrely-made point of incomparable bizarrness...because - how anyone can accuse Innuendo of being more filler then Hot Space is beyond me
[/QUOTE]
OK maybe I should explain why opinion....if you like HS or not, it was the last time Queen tried something truly different. After that, The Works, AKOM and The Miracle were singles plus filler. Not saying some of the filler wasn't good but they weren't treading any new water.[/QUOTE]
you talk like The Game never happened!
HS was just more of the same. it wasn't risky/different/groundbreaking. you make it sound like they (queen) were ploughing a lone furrow - they were't
for example, Bowie, Elton, Purple, Doobies, Zep, ELO, Eagles, and even fucking Kiss had done disco/funk/dance many years before them - queen were very late to the table with this concept
added to that was lazy song-writing, piss-poor arrangements, muddy production, and a bone-idle approach to use of instruments
THAT ^ is why it's the worst album queen made
[/QUOTE]
That sounds about right