Radical Islamic terrorism finds its way to an Orlando nightclub

ParisNair wrote:

magicalfreddiemercury wrote:

Oscar J wrote:

ParisNair - I think it's more a case of you highlighting what you think is the main cause, and discarding every other angle and aspect of it.

My thoughts exactly, only you expressed them much more succinctly than I would have.

Yes and no. I do think Islamic radicalism is the main cause behind what Mateen did. But I did not dream it up; I base it on the words and actions of Mateen himself.
I do not discount any of the other angles to the story. But main reason is main reason, and I don't see you folks emphasizing it enough. And I understand the reason also. You are so pre-occupied with being decent and politically correct, that you don't want to offend Muslims beyond a certain limit, and don't want to be seen as Islamophobic etc.

So…when someone addresses a specific issue, but does not “emphasize it enough”, according to some abstract point on your personal Emphases Scale, then their point of view is invalid as it must be skewed by their pre-occupation with political correctness. Right. Got it. And, of course, there is no danger and no flaw, whatsoever, with that thought process.

Panchgani: Nobody has claimed islamic terror is a myth.

ParisNair: I have a general distrust in the values of people thinking of political correctness and decency as something undesirable, as they are indeed often xenophobes, racist, sexist, anti-HBTQ, etc. With that said, what I say doesn't come from me not wanting to seem islamophobic. I wouldn't care, especially on a random music forum like this.

No, it comes from me not being islamophobic - meaning that I am not afraid of muslims or Islam. That doesn't mean I deny there are problems we have to deal with. However I do think it's interesting how bombings and mass shootings hardly ever happen in Sweden, with its 5% muslim percentage, while USA, with only about 1 % muslims, has a much bigger problem with it. That seems to indicate that other factors are much more important than ethnicity and religion.

I guess all Brits should now be prevented from coming to the States

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/19/politics/trump-rally-gun-police-officer/index.html

It's always fun to spot the conservatives in discussions like these. They're the ones who use buzz words, and have a need for cognitive closure in the form of providing simple answers for complex issues.

In this case, it's easiest to singularly place blame on Islam than to address the fact that gun control is so obviously needed to help prevent these things from happening again.

But they won't. About a hundred more people have already been gunned down since Orlando, and the Republicans have yet again blocked legislation for even the slightest bit of gun control because they're so deep in the pockets of the NRA that they can count the particles of pocket lint.

Oscar J wrote:

However I do think it's interesting how bombings and mass shootings hardly ever happen in Sweden, with its 5% muslim percentage, while USA, with only about 1 % muslims, has a much bigger problem with it. That seems to indicate that other factors are much more important than ethnicity and religion.

That is interesting indeed. Other than that, I've nothing more to say regarding this topic.

The Real Wizard wrote:

It's always fun to spot the conservatives in discussions like these. They're the ones who use buzz words, and have a need for cognitive closure in the form of providing simple answers for complex issues.

In this case, it's easiest to singularly place blame on Islam than to address the fact that gun control is so obviously needed to help prevent these things from happening again.

But they won't. About a hundred more people have already been gunned down since Orlando, and the Republicans have yet again blocked legislation for even the slightest bit of gun control because they're so deep in the pockets of the NRA that they can count the particles of pocket lint.

The Real Wizard wrote:

It's always fun to spot the conservatives in discussions like these. They're the ones who use buzz words, and have a need for cognitive closure in the form of providing simple answers for complex issues.

In this case, it's easiest to singularly place blame on Islam than to address the fact that gun control is so obviously needed to help prevent these things from happening again.

But they won't. About a hundred more people have already been gunned down since Orlando, and the Republicans have yet again blocked legislation for even the slightest bit of gun control because they're so deep in the pockets of the NRA that they can count the particles of pocket lint.

You are at the other end of the spectrum. And it is opinions like your's, which take the attention away from uncomfortable truths, there by letting the culprits get away, and mount attack after attack.

Gun control is a topic in itself, and I've been reading up on it these last few days. It should not to be confused/mixed with terrorism though. Restricting sale of guns is not going to prevent terrorist attacks. This is not a conservative or a republican speaking. This is citizen of a country speaking, where guns are not easy to come by at all, yet it is one of the biggest victims of terror.

ParisNair wrote:

Oscar J wrote:

However I do think it's interesting how bombings and mass shootings hardly ever happen in Sweden, with its 5% muslim percentage, while USA, with only about 1 % muslims, has a much bigger problem with it. That seems to indicate that other factors are much more important than ethnicity and religion.

That is interesting indeed. Other than that, I've nothing more to say regarding this topic.

I'll second that.

If only American media would actually print facts like this or mention them on TV. It should be a daily occurrence until Americans finally start to understand what's going on. But special interests have long bought and paid for the media. Without a boogeyman for the average white Christian American to be afraid of, there is no public acquiescence allowing the military industrial complex to continue with business as usual in the biggest revenue maker the country has - war.

ParisNair wrote:

Gun control is a topic in itself, and I've been reading up on it these last few days. It should not to be confused/mixed with terrorism though. Restricting sale of guns is not going to prevent terrorist attacks. This is not a conservative or a republican speaking. This is citizen of a country speaking, where guns are not easy to come by at all, yet it is one of the biggest victims of terror.

Of course, gun control isn't singularly the only solution.

There are more guns per capita in Switzerland than in the US, and the Swiss don't have a problem with mass shootings.

So combined with the last post I just quoted, we then begin the digging into the political and socio-economic problems that plague the US and cause more people to act out in violence more than any other nation on earth.

The Real Wizard wrote:
In this case, it's easiest to singularly place blame on Islam than to address the fact that gun control is so obviously needed to help prevent these things from happening again.

(lack of) gun control AND radical Islam are equally to blame in this instance. any push to blame one or the other is deflection. tackling ONE only let's the other off the hook.