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Apart from some of the songs you've mentioned, I don't like Put Out the Fire very much.
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Gregsynth
[QUOTE] [b]Oscar J wrote:[/b]
What's wrong with Khashoggi's Ship? :(
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Sorry man, I just can't get into the song. It's just semi hard rock/pop rock filler on the album. It's not the absolute worst thing on the album - but it does nothing for me.
What's wrong with Khashoggi's Ship? :(
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Sorry man, I just can't get into the song. It's just semi hard rock/pop rock filler on the album. It's not the absolute worst thing on the album - but it does nothing for me.
goose44
anyone who puts ride the wild wind as a bottom pick or close to it needs their head examined. One of their coolest songs songs and best guitar solo's ever.
Oscar J
The second part of the song rocks IMO. :) First part is lame.
goose44
the miracle kicks some ass. for me it's a record I especially listen to in the summer. party/kashoggi for me is like an intro to a book or in this case a record. Or you can say the appetizer to the main course. Now songs like Rain Must fall and My baby does me might be filler songs but they are still good songs. IWIA, scandal and WIAWI are classics for me. Hijack my Heart should have been added as well.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]goose44 wrote:[/b]
anyone who puts ride the wild wind as a bottom pick or close to it needs their head examined. One of their coolest songs songs and best guitar solo's ever.[/QUOTE]
Now that we've heard Roger's demo with guide vocal, we can hear how Mercury turned an average song into a very good song. By then he had perfected the art of singing every chorus in a different way to keep the song fresh and progressing.
Not the best track on the album by far, but certainly a solid track.
anyone who puts ride the wild wind as a bottom pick or close to it needs their head examined. One of their coolest songs songs and best guitar solo's ever.[/QUOTE]
Now that we've heard Roger's demo with guide vocal, we can hear how Mercury turned an average song into a very good song. By then he had perfected the art of singing every chorus in a different way to keep the song fresh and progressing.
Not the best track on the album by far, but certainly a solid track.
goose44
RTWW in just a great rong song with a cool beat to it and amazing guitar parts. But that goes with the record and that is why the album gets praised like their 70's stuff. If you took th rocks remix of ICLWY and got rid of Delilah, it would be as good as you can get.
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Sure, [Break Free] sounds dated and all - but the melody and lyrics are excellent.
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I really, really, really disagree there. I find its lyrics to be incredibly derivative. Check out the first verse, for instance: title, title, title + whine, title, stock phrase, stock phrase + title - even 'Dragon Attack' seems like Shakespeare in comparison.
Melody's alright but nothing particularly special compared to many, many, many other Queen songs.
I think its recording is well-crafted and there are some interesting details here and there, and of course the fact Fred Mandel managed to get that sound from a synth is commendable, but I find the song itself to be ridiculously overrated.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
I think it's a case of hardcore fans shitting on the hits because they've heard them so many times to the point of losing objectivity.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. I know it's somewhat 'cool' to sound snobbish by rejecting the hits, but what if someone genuinely doesn't care for one or more of them? The opposite case also happens: ever since at least the early eighties, it was usual to show you were a bona fide Queen expert by rating 'Black Queen', and by extension 'Queen II', highly - but what if you really like the song and the album?
Having said that, since this is a clearly subjective post, I do think the public perception to individual assessment ratio does play a key role there. That's why I find the 'cheese' line on 'Sweet Lady' particularly cringeworthy: the music is excellent and the album is magnificent, so it really stands out as crappy. Had 'Sweet Lady' been on 'Hot Space', I would've definitely rated it higher (by far the best song on the album).
Same applies to 'Innuendo': the title track is great and I do regard is as one of the band's very best. 'Show Must Go On' is also fantastic but, as I said earlier, I still think 'Save Me' and 'Sail Away Sweet Sister' (to mention two synth-era songs by the same author) are even better, and probably 'Who Wants to Live Forever' as well, it's just that they haven't got the added value of being sung by a dying man and all of that.
'Days of Our Lives' is beautiful, and there are some nice things with 'Try So Hard' and 'Bijou' but none of those would've looked particularly special on an album like 'Opera' or 'Races', and if we removed the dying-man-with-infinite-determination factor. Then there are some weaker ones ... I find some of Brian's early rockers (e.g. 'Prophet's Song') to be remarkably better than 'Headlong' and 'I Can't Live with You', Roger's early gems such as 'Car' and 'Tenement' to kick 'Ride the Wild Wind''s arse, and Freddie's genuine epics (with coherence and consistency) are, from a musical point of view, way better (as songs) than 'All God's People', which is brilliantly sung and played but sounds a lot like a collection of unfinished ideas and throwaway things that were mashed together.
Then there's 'Hitman' which is above-average for the post-Game period but far sub-par for the pre-Flash one. 'Delilah' is tripe and 'Slightly Mad' is a good song, probably very good at places, but not excellent, let alone in the context of its author.
Sure, [Break Free] sounds dated and all - but the melody and lyrics are excellent.
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I really, really, really disagree there. I find its lyrics to be incredibly derivative. Check out the first verse, for instance: title, title, title + whine, title, stock phrase, stock phrase + title - even 'Dragon Attack' seems like Shakespeare in comparison.
Melody's alright but nothing particularly special compared to many, many, many other Queen songs.
I think its recording is well-crafted and there are some interesting details here and there, and of course the fact Fred Mandel managed to get that sound from a synth is commendable, but I find the song itself to be ridiculously overrated.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
I think it's a case of hardcore fans shitting on the hits because they've heard them so many times to the point of losing objectivity.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. I know it's somewhat 'cool' to sound snobbish by rejecting the hits, but what if someone genuinely doesn't care for one or more of them? The opposite case also happens: ever since at least the early eighties, it was usual to show you were a bona fide Queen expert by rating 'Black Queen', and by extension 'Queen II', highly - but what if you really like the song and the album?
Having said that, since this is a clearly subjective post, I do think the public perception to individual assessment ratio does play a key role there. That's why I find the 'cheese' line on 'Sweet Lady' particularly cringeworthy: the music is excellent and the album is magnificent, so it really stands out as crappy. Had 'Sweet Lady' been on 'Hot Space', I would've definitely rated it higher (by far the best song on the album).
Same applies to 'Innuendo': the title track is great and I do regard is as one of the band's very best. 'Show Must Go On' is also fantastic but, as I said earlier, I still think 'Save Me' and 'Sail Away Sweet Sister' (to mention two synth-era songs by the same author) are even better, and probably 'Who Wants to Live Forever' as well, it's just that they haven't got the added value of being sung by a dying man and all of that.
'Days of Our Lives' is beautiful, and there are some nice things with 'Try So Hard' and 'Bijou' but none of those would've looked particularly special on an album like 'Opera' or 'Races', and if we removed the dying-man-with-infinite-determination factor. Then there are some weaker ones ... I find some of Brian's early rockers (e.g. 'Prophet's Song') to be remarkably better than 'Headlong' and 'I Can't Live with You', Roger's early gems such as 'Car' and 'Tenement' to kick 'Ride the Wild Wind''s arse, and Freddie's genuine epics (with coherence and consistency) are, from a musical point of view, way better (as songs) than 'All God's People', which is brilliantly sung and played but sounds a lot like a collection of unfinished ideas and throwaway things that were mashed together.
Then there's 'Hitman' which is above-average for the post-Game period but far sub-par for the pre-Flash one. 'Delilah' is tripe and 'Slightly Mad' is a good song, probably very good at places, but not excellent, let alone in the context of its author.
Oscar J
Bohemian Rhapsody is, IMO, not comparable to I Want To Break Free. The only thing good about the instrumentation is a decent synth solo. I think the drum beat is awful, and agree with Seb on the rest.
scollins
there great songs but i love everything they did apart from god save the rat? lol
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
'Days of Our Lives' is beautiful, and there are some nice things with 'Try So Hard' and 'Bijou' but none of those would've looked particularly special on an album like 'Opera' or 'Races', and if we removed the dying-man-with-infinite-determination factor. Then there are some weaker ones ... I find some of Brian's early rockers (e.g. 'Prophet's Song') to be remarkably better than 'Headlong' and 'I Can't Live with You', Roger's early gems such as 'Car' and 'Tenement' to kick 'Ride the Wild Wind''s arse, and Freddie's genuine epics (with coherence and consistency) are, from a musical point of view, way better (as songs) than 'All God's People', which is brilliantly sung and played but sounds a lot like a collection of unfinished ideas and throwaway things that were mashed together.[/QUOTE]
Excellent post, but I've highlighted this paragraph.
Indeed, context within an album is a big part of listening to music. Of course Ride The Wild Wind wouldn't fit on ANATO, but that's almost like saying adding pesto to cereal makes pesto bad. It just means the combination doesn't work.
Even with its weaker tracks, I find Innuendo still flows better than any Queen album after The Game.
'Days of Our Lives' is beautiful, and there are some nice things with 'Try So Hard' and 'Bijou' but none of those would've looked particularly special on an album like 'Opera' or 'Races', and if we removed the dying-man-with-infinite-determination factor. Then there are some weaker ones ... I find some of Brian's early rockers (e.g. 'Prophet's Song') to be remarkably better than 'Headlong' and 'I Can't Live with You', Roger's early gems such as 'Car' and 'Tenement' to kick 'Ride the Wild Wind''s arse, and Freddie's genuine epics (with coherence and consistency) are, from a musical point of view, way better (as songs) than 'All God's People', which is brilliantly sung and played but sounds a lot like a collection of unfinished ideas and throwaway things that were mashed together.[/QUOTE]
Excellent post, but I've highlighted this paragraph.
Indeed, context within an album is a big part of listening to music. Of course Ride The Wild Wind wouldn't fit on ANATO, but that's almost like saying adding pesto to cereal makes pesto bad. It just means the combination doesn't work.
Even with its weaker tracks, I find Innuendo still flows better than any Queen album after The Game.
Vocal harmony
My dislike of I Want To Break Free is that it contains little of what is identified as the Queen sound. I think of it (wrongly maybe) as a John Deason solo project that happens to have Freddie's vocals on it. Fred Mandel's
solo is great but he isn't a featured artist eg Queen featuring Fred Mandel, yet he has a solo spot in the song rather than a band member.
It worked really wel as a single (out side the states) but I'm not sure how recognisable as Queen it would be hearing it on the radio for the first time
Having said that, to me, the live version which features guitar through out is more listenable.
solo is great but he isn't a featured artist eg Queen featuring Fred Mandel, yet he has a solo spot in the song rather than a band member.
It worked really wel as a single (out side the states) but I'm not sure how recognisable as Queen it would be hearing it on the radio for the first time
Having said that, to me, the live version which features guitar through out is more listenable.
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Even with its weaker tracks, I find Innuendo still flows better than any Queen album after The Game.
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That's another reason for people loving it so much: it came after the disappointment fans (especially rock-oriented ones) felt with Hot Space, Works, Magic and Miracle. They'd been desperate for a record like that one for over a decade and when they finally got it they were happy to overlook the weaker tracks and just love the whole thing.
Had it come between Opera and Races, it probably wouldn't have been rated that highly.
Even with its weaker tracks, I find Innuendo still flows better than any Queen album after The Game.
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That's another reason for people loving it so much: it came after the disappointment fans (especially rock-oriented ones) felt with Hot Space, Works, Magic and Miracle. They'd been desperate for a record like that one for over a decade and when they finally got it they were happy to overlook the weaker tracks and just love the whole thing.
Had it come between Opera and Races, it probably wouldn't have been rated that highly.
AlbaNo1
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]goose44 wrote:[/b]
anyone who puts ride the wild wind as a bottom pick or close to it needs their head examined. One of their coolest songs songs and best guitar solo's ever.[/QUOTE]
Now that we've heard Roger's demo with guide vocal, we can hear how Mercury turned an average song into a very good song. By then he had perfected the art of singing every chorus in a different way to keep the song fresh and progressing.
Not the best track on the album by far, but certainly a solid track.
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I love Rogers demo version. Great vocals. Probably the track I play most of the "Deluxe" extras. A good blast.
[QUOTE] [b]goose44 wrote:[/b]
anyone who puts ride the wild wind as a bottom pick or close to it needs their head examined. One of their coolest songs songs and best guitar solo's ever.[/QUOTE]
Now that we've heard Roger's demo with guide vocal, we can hear how Mercury turned an average song into a very good song. By then he had perfected the art of singing every chorus in a different way to keep the song fresh and progressing.
Not the best track on the album by far, but certainly a solid track.
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I love Rogers demo version. Great vocals. Probably the track I play most of the "Deluxe" extras. A good blast.
Day dop
White man is excellent.