BBC session 3 - Ogre Battle (2017 version)

Guys, many, many thanks for this. Ignore the homophobic fuckwit.

I think Brian felt something went wrong on the 1st take, stopped the tape, and then just went at it again. Can you hear a voice at around 36 secs? Is it someone saying 'Right'? At first I thought it was sorry, and thought it may be Brian. There must be such a wealth snippets like this, such a shame that unlike guys like the true fans on QZ, we won't get to hear them. Its guys like RW and BW that are keeping this forum alive.

Thanks a lot to The Real Wizard and to Brian's Wig for this gift.

This new transfer give us a lot of new information - indeed, the intro was recorded separately from the main track, and it's confirmed not only because of the pause between them - during the intro we can hear the slight background noise of the guitar amp, which was suddenly interrupted by the silence and wasn't properly mixed.

I doubt that the intro was ever broadcasted, as it never appeared on the acetates. I think this is the original soundboard test recording of the session, which supposed to be used for making the final mix, but the band decided at last not to use the intro for the broadcast.
Maybe because the track would be too long for the radio, maybe they weren't satisfied with it..

Thanks so much for this. It was a nice surprise to see this posted and in good quality no less!

[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]

RnR -

Historically this is new and is relevant for most on QZ. It may not matter to less enthusiastic fans like you and I ... but you cannot deny that this is a highly relevant share.

I know you want something "new" like Hangman, but no one is "obligated" to share new items.

Personally, I do not believe you should be banned for issuing insulting non-constructive criticism, but if you want to be taken slightly seriously ... you might want to go into more detail regarding your criticism (and be more constructive), and of course be more diplomatic.

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It'll likely fall on deaf ears, but thanks for this - much appreciated.

And thanks to everyone else who wrote equally sensible and meaningful posts.

[QUOTE] [b]onedunpark wrote:[/b]

There's sometimes very little comfort to be had in having the moral high ground, but I fear with the dimwitted/malicious minority that's probably the best you can hope for. That and the clear support of the vast majority of the board.[/QUOTE]

Well, thanks - this is heartwarming.

It's not even that I want to have moral higher ground for some kind of personal benefit. I'd just like to see this place have the same standards as virtually every other music forum, where the conversation is civil and constructive, and bullshit walks after a single warning if they're lucky.

But when you're outspoken about wanting that in a place that doesn't have it, you attract the idiots who want the exact opposite. I get it.

[QUOTE] [b]Toon_86 wrote:[/b]

I think Brian felt something went wrong on the 1st take, stopped the tape, and then just went at it again. Can you hear a voice at around 36 secs? Is it someone saying 'Right'? At first I thought it was sorry, and thought it may be Brian.[/QUOTE]
For sure, the first take wasn't nearly as satisfying as the second. It's probably the engineer talking between takes. Indeed, it sounds like he's saying "right", giving Brian the OK to do another take as the tape is rolling.

[QUOTE]There must be such a wealth snippets like this, such a shame that unlike guys like the true fans on QZ, we won't get to hear them.[/QUOTE]
You never know what might pop up. That's the best part about this hobby - these old tapes sometimes bring up the most unexpected things. On this particular tape there were Anita Dobson and Immortals tracks from the 80s. It could've easily been overlooked !

[QUOTE] [b]DJGreg wrote:[/b]

This new transfer give us a lot of new information - indeed, the intro was recorded separately from the main track, and it's confirmed not only because of the pause between them - during the intro we can hear the slight background noise of the guitar amp, which was suddenly interrupted by the silence and wasn't properly mixed.

I doubt that the intro was ever broadcasted, as it never appeared on the acetates. I think this is the original soundboard test recording of the session, which supposed to be used for making the final mix, but the band decided at last not to use the intro for the broadcast.
Maybe because the track would be too long for the radio, maybe they weren't satisfied with it..
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Great post.

Then we simply have to wonder - how did this recording get out?

Track length certainly wasn't the issue with its omission, as Son And Daughter from the same session ran 7 minutes.

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]

RnR -

Historically this is new and is relevant for most on QZ. It may not matter to less enthusiastic fans like you and I ... but you cannot deny that this is a highly relevant share.

I know you want something "new" like Hangman, but no one is "obligated" to share new items.

Personally, I do not believe you should be banned for issuing insulting non-constructive criticism, but if you want to be taken slightly seriously ... you might want to go into more detail regarding your criticism (and be more constructive), and of course be more diplomatic.

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It'll likely fall on deaf ears, but thanks for this - much appreciated.

And thanks to everyone else who wrote equally sensible and meaningful posts.
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I always write equally sensible posts,
I am not deaf I always see and listen difference

[QUOTE] [b]DJGreg wrote:[/b]



I doubt that the intro was ever broadcasted, as it never appeared on the acetates. I think this is the original soundboard test recording of the session....
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That's an interesting theory.
If it's true, then this opening must be the first unreleased 'track' sneaked out of the bands archive.

It did always strike me as odd that the full thing would have made the broadcast considering the 'restart', but I've never come across a full off-air recording of the broadcast to know for sure.
Every tape I've had it on was devoid of the other tracks from the session (until Queen at the Beeb came out in 1989).

Who knows what Queen delivered to the BBC back then.

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]

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You never know what might pop up. That's the best part about this hobby - these old tapes sometimes bring up the most unexpected things. On this particular tape there were Anita Dobson and Immortals tracks from the 80s. It could've easily been overlooked !
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I'm currently going through all my cassettes to capture the plethora of Radio interviews I have and it's only because Bob asked folks to check their copies of "Paris Theatre" that I found this tape incorrectly filed amongst the live recordings section.
I noticed it had Brians' Guitar Greats interview from '83 on it (which I've now captured) and saw it also had Ogre Battle listed on the label.
So yes. It could have been overlooked for quite a long time yet.

[QUOTE] [b]brians wig wrote:[/b]

That's an interesting theory.
If it's true, then this opening must be the first unreleased 'track' sneaked out of the bands archive.

It did always strike me as odd that the full thing would have made the broadcast considering the 'restart', but I've never come across a full off-air recording of the broadcast to know for sure.
Every tape I've had it on was devoid of the other tracks from the session (until Queen at the Beeb came out in 1989).

Who knows what Queen delivered to the BBC back then.[/QUOTE]

It also make sense if you look at the "On Air" version - it was mixed from two different sources, moreover, the quality of the intro doesn't allows me to call it a "master" and it's pretty close to the quality of your transfer.
So, I suppose, the original source of the recording for your tape and for the recently released version is the same, and it's not the "Master Mix". BTW, it's very similar to the circulating recordings of the "Silver Salmon" and "Polar Bear" tracks - they are just soundboard recordings of the studio takes and never were properly mixed.

[QUOTE] [b]DJGreg wrote:[/b]

It also make sense if you look at the "On Air" version - it was mixed from two different sources, moreover, the quality of the intro doesn't allows me to call it a "master" and it's pretty close to the quality of your transfer.
So, I suppose, the original source of the recording for your tape and for the recently released version is the same, and it's not the "Master Mix". .[/QUOTE]

Well. I can certainly tell you that the Queen archives didn't contain the opening until a few years ago. They obtained it from a fan who had the best recording they'd heard.
I don't know anything else other than that.

I'd presumed said fan had a good off-air recording, but actually, you're most likely correct as we all know that Brian had his Mum record everything they knew was being broadcast on radio onto Reel tapes - hence the only reason they were able to release the (sadly heavily edited) DJ banter on the "On Air" set.
So yes, if it HAD been broadcast, Brian would surely have had his own copy.
It does make you wonder then, WHY it was included in the boxset if it wasn't broadcast!

Questions, questions and suppositions....

[QUOTE] [b]brians wig wrote:[/b]

Well. I can certainly tell you that the Queen archives didn't contain the opening until a few years ago. They obtained it from a fan who had the best recording they'd heard.
I don't know anything else other than that.

I'd presumed said fan had a good off-air recording, but actually, you're most likely correct as we all know that Brian had his Mum record everything they knew was being broadcast on radio onto Reel tapes - hence the only reason they were able to release the (sadly heavily edited) DJ banter on the "On Air" set.
So yes, if it HAD been broadcast, Brian would surely have had his own copy.
It does make you wonder then, WHY it was included in the boxset if it wasn't broadcast!

Questions, questions and suppositions....[/QUOTE]

In theory it shouldn't be hard to ask Brian or someone at QP if the intro is on Brian's mum's tape of the broadcast.

In theory.

Thank you so much for sharing this! This is just an amazing thing to be able to listen to.

I know I don't post here very much but I read the posts very frequently. I know it's hard sometimes but you just have to ignore rocknrolllover. He is very obviously a troll and you are giving him just the attention he is looking for. If we can all find a way to ignore him, he will go away.

Also, aren't there mods on this site???

Amazing stuff thank you! So... it was never actually connected to the song proper?

Strangely every time I hear the Ogre Battle BBC intro it reminds me of the first version I had on the bootleg Golden Demos - I know most of it was fake but I miss it. Anyone got a rip of it?