Well, it's a southern thing too. My grandparnets both called men darlin and honey. Dear, too. My grandma used to call handsome men "a tall glass of sun tea"!
I think every culture has something similar. But I do believe it was different with Freddie. Peter said when his mother was around, Freddie changed the way he spoke. He dropped the "dahling" and "dears" bit. Which leads me to believe Freddie did do it as a more gay thing. Also, in The Untold Story all his school friends from St Peters said they found it odd that he called men "dear" and "darling"
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Hello Mr. Arnold. You are doing it the right way by talking with the fans here and not like Freestone with his storytellers type diners.
Very insightful stuff here, though we know you could really tell some stories that will never be told.
That reminds me how funny those so called Facebook-fans are who actually argue about Freddie's sexuality. He wasn't gay. He was really, really gay. New York in the early 80's was a pretty frightening place. Even Freddie himself sings in Under Pressure's Rah Mix: "New York is dangerous".
All the stories about New York and the bars just make you wonder how could Freddie even walk the next day? There were rooms where men were hanging from some kind of ropes, while others were taking turns and well, I guess everyone knows what they were doing. Mr. Arnold, did you ever go past one of those rooms and see poor Freddie having his fun and thinking "well, tomorrow is going to be a rough day for him"? The ladies in those Facebook-groups should see some footage of Freddie and the dark rooms. Maybe they would finally believe that, no Barbara propably wasn't his cup of tea.
Still, the stories about his sexual drive are pretty hard to believe. It sounds like he had sex night and day all the time. Even backstage during encores etc. Well, I guess he lived his life to the max.
Very insightful stuff here, though we know you could really tell some stories that will never be told.
That reminds me how funny those so called Facebook-fans are who actually argue about Freddie's sexuality. He wasn't gay. He was really, really gay. New York in the early 80's was a pretty frightening place. Even Freddie himself sings in Under Pressure's Rah Mix: "New York is dangerous".
All the stories about New York and the bars just make you wonder how could Freddie even walk the next day? There were rooms where men were hanging from some kind of ropes, while others were taking turns and well, I guess everyone knows what they were doing. Mr. Arnold, did you ever go past one of those rooms and see poor Freddie having his fun and thinking "well, tomorrow is going to be a rough day for him"? The ladies in those Facebook-groups should see some footage of Freddie and the dark rooms. Maybe they would finally believe that, no Barbara propably wasn't his cup of tea.
Still, the stories about his sexual drive are pretty hard to believe. It sounds like he had sex night and day all the time. Even backstage during encores etc. Well, I guess he lived his life to the max.
LMAO ^ certain fans will straight up tell you he was never promiscuous, even though he said it himself on tape.
hey Villiers,
Thanks for your dose of lil' old Southern charm. A lovely mint julep on the
shady porch sounds about right now.
Thanks for your dose of lil' old Southern charm. A lovely mint julep on the
shady porch sounds about right now.
@Thor Sounds damn good, I do declare.
I swear my grandma sounded just like Blanche Devereaux lol. Just as sassy too.
I swear my grandma sounded just like Blanche Devereaux lol. Just as sassy too.
Welcome FlashElephant,
Yes, the gay community was very promiscuous in the '70s and '80s. Many of
us did not get to enjoy first loves, proms, going under the bleachers, etc. in
High School, like our straight counterparts. When you go from starvation to
feast, from ridiculed to appreciated, from unrelenting anxiety to peace of mind,
from scared to safe... the field was ripe for excess.
P.S. I have great respect and love for Peter, please refer to him as Mr. Freestone
just as you did for Mr. Arnold. This is not a scolding, just a sensitivity of mine.
Yes, the gay community was very promiscuous in the '70s and '80s. Many of
us did not get to enjoy first loves, proms, going under the bleachers, etc. in
High School, like our straight counterparts. When you go from starvation to
feast, from ridiculed to appreciated, from unrelenting anxiety to peace of mind,
from scared to safe... the field was ripe for excess.
P.S. I have great respect and love for Peter, please refer to him as Mr. Freestone
just as you did for Mr. Arnold. This is not a scolding, just a sensitivity of mine.
Villiers.. Blanche Devereaux ("Golden Girls") AND Blanche Du'Bois from "Streetcar Named Desire".
Both charming southern girls and both depending on the kindness of strangers...LOL
Both charming southern girls and both depending on the kindness of strangers...LOL
@Thor true! That's exactly what Dorothy said about Blanche (yes, I watch the show way too often)
Blanche (talking about her daughter getting in-vitro to have a child): You're paying for it?! A Devereaux has NEVA had to pay!
Dorothy: Yes, she's always relied on the kindness of strangers.
LOL
Blanche (talking about her daughter getting in-vitro to have a child): You're paying for it?! A Devereaux has NEVA had to pay!
Dorothy: Yes, she's always relied on the kindness of strangers.
LOL
Noorie,
I'm guessing the most people on this thread are not familiar with Parsi culture. I know I'm not. The info and stories you have shared with us are quite fascinating. All comments are welcome, especially when you can correct misconceptions about yours and Freddie's ethnic heritage. It's a window into Freddie's background that we were completely unfamiliar with, and I thank you for that. In fact, I think the willingness of others to share a bit about themselves gives this thread a kind of warmth that is very inviting.
Thor, I share your interest in learning about other cultures, but I grew up in a mostly white, Catholic community and did not have the exposure to different cultures that you had. I'm sure that we, the Queenzone people, represent an amazing array of religions, ethnicities, ages groups, countries, etc. It's amazing how one great singer can draw so many people together!
I'm guessing the most people on this thread are not familiar with Parsi culture. I know I'm not. The info and stories you have shared with us are quite fascinating. All comments are welcome, especially when you can correct misconceptions about yours and Freddie's ethnic heritage. It's a window into Freddie's background that we were completely unfamiliar with, and I thank you for that. In fact, I think the willingness of others to share a bit about themselves gives this thread a kind of warmth that is very inviting.
Thor, I share your interest in learning about other cultures, but I grew up in a mostly white, Catholic community and did not have the exposure to different cultures that you had. I'm sure that we, the Queenzone people, represent an amazing array of religions, ethnicities, ages groups, countries, etc. It's amazing how one great singer can draw so many people together!
Well stated Rainbow, I agree 100%. These clues into Freddie's background ARE part of why we are here.
What a great thread this has turned out to be... thanks again to you and to all of Freddie's long-term fans.
Also, a big welcome to any newer, younger fans, we, in Freddie's name, are honored to have you here.
What a great thread this has turned out to be... thanks again to you and to all of Freddie's long-term fans.
Also, a big welcome to any newer, younger fans, we, in Freddie's name, are honored to have you here.
Thor,
my question got stuck some pages ago so I'll ask again if you don't mind :)
You said you attended the premiere for the Time musical, am I correct? Did you also attend when Freddie acted on it, back in 1988 in the charity gala? It's listed as his last live performance and I'm curious as online you can only find audios from that day, not visual footage. In the audios he sounds, of course, awesome. I was wondering if you were there that day and what did you think about the whole thing :)
my question got stuck some pages ago so I'll ask again if you don't mind :)
You said you attended the premiere for the Time musical, am I correct? Did you also attend when Freddie acted on it, back in 1988 in the charity gala? It's listed as his last live performance and I'm curious as online you can only find audios from that day, not visual footage. In the audios he sounds, of course, awesome. I was wondering if you were there that day and what did you think about the whole thing :)
Thor,
As you mentioned before, among other reasons Freddie was happy in NYC was the fact that he remained incognito. So what was an average day of hanging out with him in NYC and I don't mean clubbing. Did you always eat at restaurants or would you grab a slice of pizza like an average New Yorker? What stores did he shop at for everyday items and cloths? Did you go to movies?
P.S
I recently watched a documentary on Netflix titled "Who the F..k is that guy". Although not directly related to Freddie, it has to do with rock music and club scene (including gay) of 80's NYC. Many of the clubs you have mentioned are mentioned in the film. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. lol
All the fans of music and NYC will find it entertaining.
Here's the trailer
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHlKnRlc8s
As you mentioned before, among other reasons Freddie was happy in NYC was the fact that he remained incognito. So what was an average day of hanging out with him in NYC and I don't mean clubbing. Did you always eat at restaurants or would you grab a slice of pizza like an average New Yorker? What stores did he shop at for everyday items and cloths? Did you go to movies?
P.S
I recently watched a documentary on Netflix titled "Who the F..k is that guy". Although not directly related to Freddie, it has to do with rock music and club scene (including gay) of 80's NYC. Many of the clubs you have mentioned are mentioned in the film. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. lol
All the fans of music and NYC will find it entertaining.
Here's the trailer
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHlKnRlc8s
Was it that Freddie just wasn't that big of a star in America? At the time I'm sure Mick Jagged or David Bowie would have been mobbed wherever they went.
Was it that Freddie just wasn't that big of a star in America? At the time I'm sure Mick Jagged or David Bowie would have been mobbed wherever they went.
And yes I know Thor addressed this earlier by saying everyone knew who Queen were but not the individual band members but still...he must have even been less of a star than I previously thought in America if he could go anywhere in NYC virtually undetected.