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LongShortSally
Pretty sure Freddie played piano on SYW studio version as if John played it, it would have been listed in the lyric sheet.
Vocal harmony
[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]sebastian wrote:[/b]
Frederick was pissed when they were shooting that video. What people mime on videos often differs from what they did in the studio, including:
- Brian playing the 'Back Chat' arpeggios.
- Brian playing the 'Crazy Little Thing' intro.
- Rog singing BV's on 'Dust'.
- John singing BV's on loads of things.
- Brian playing acoustic on 'A Kind of Magic'.
- John playing banjo on 'A Kind of Magic'.
- Brian playing a skull on 'It's a Hard Life'.[/QUOTE]
there's no sense, if the piano on the album version was played by Freddie, he would have played (mimed) in the video
The style of the piano is different from Freddie's typical style. There is a big difference in the arrangement of the piano between the BBC version, where Freddie is playing and the album version where I am convinced it is played by John.
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If you look at Sebastian's list you could say none of it makes sense but it is what happened, and so the same could/can be applied to SYW
[QUOTE] [b]sebastian wrote:[/b]
Frederick was pissed when they were shooting that video. What people mime on videos often differs from what they did in the studio, including:
- Brian playing the 'Back Chat' arpeggios.
- Brian playing the 'Crazy Little Thing' intro.
- Rog singing BV's on 'Dust'.
- John singing BV's on loads of things.
- Brian playing acoustic on 'A Kind of Magic'.
- John playing banjo on 'A Kind of Magic'.
- Brian playing a skull on 'It's a Hard Life'.[/QUOTE]
there's no sense, if the piano on the album version was played by Freddie, he would have played (mimed) in the video
The style of the piano is different from Freddie's typical style. There is a big difference in the arrangement of the piano between the BBC version, where Freddie is playing and the album version where I am convinced it is played by John.
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If you look at Sebastian's list you could say none of it makes sense but it is what happened, and so the same could/can be applied to SYW
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]
there's no sense, if the piano on the album version was played by Freddie, he would have played (mimed) in the video
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Why? Would the universe implode if they did it otherwise?
Truth is, videos are often completely unrelated to the actual studio takes. Brian mimed the 'Back Chat' motif, but he didn't play it on the record, John did; John mimed a double-bass on 'Who Wants to Live Forever', but he didn't play it on the record, whoever happened to be the contrabass player(s) at the NPO did; John mimed a lot of backing vocals he didn't sing on the record; likewise, he mimed a few seconds of piano that he didn't record.
For that particular video, Frederick was pissed, so perhaps he wouldn't sit and do that bit, and having someone miming the piano intro (since that was the only instrument for a few bars) made more sense than having them just stand there awkwardly; if Fred was being uncooperative and wouldn't mime the piano part, having John do it (since he was closer to it) made far more sense than having Roger or Brian mime it and then run to their spot. It had nothing to do with what had happened during the recording sessions.
In fact, Fred often chose not to mime instruments on videos, which didn't mean he hadn't played anything on the records. For 'Crazy Little Thing', he's just running around, prompting Brian to play the intro on the Telecaster, but that's not by any means what happened when they were tracking it.
The band's mimed performances at San Remo and Montreux feature John and Brian miming a lot of synthesiser bits which they were unlikely to have recorded, it was just for the visuals.
[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]
The style of the piano is different from Freddie's typical style.
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Actually, it's not.
[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]
There is a big difference in the arrangement of the piano between the BBC version
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It's not that different, really. The BBC one is more aggressive, but the same could be said about drums, bass and guitars... they're all (including the piano) still clearly played by the same people who did it on the album.
[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]
... the album version where I am convinced it is played by John.
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You can convince yourself of anything, it won't make it true. I could 'be convinced' New Zealand will win the world cup by scoring 22-0 against each and every team, that won't make it a reality.
there's no sense, if the piano on the album version was played by Freddie, he would have played (mimed) in the video
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Why? Would the universe implode if they did it otherwise?
Truth is, videos are often completely unrelated to the actual studio takes. Brian mimed the 'Back Chat' motif, but he didn't play it on the record, John did; John mimed a double-bass on 'Who Wants to Live Forever', but he didn't play it on the record, whoever happened to be the contrabass player(s) at the NPO did; John mimed a lot of backing vocals he didn't sing on the record; likewise, he mimed a few seconds of piano that he didn't record.
For that particular video, Frederick was pissed, so perhaps he wouldn't sit and do that bit, and having someone miming the piano intro (since that was the only instrument for a few bars) made more sense than having them just stand there awkwardly; if Fred was being uncooperative and wouldn't mime the piano part, having John do it (since he was closer to it) made far more sense than having Roger or Brian mime it and then run to their spot. It had nothing to do with what had happened during the recording sessions.
In fact, Fred often chose not to mime instruments on videos, which didn't mean he hadn't played anything on the records. For 'Crazy Little Thing', he's just running around, prompting Brian to play the intro on the Telecaster, but that's not by any means what happened when they were tracking it.
The band's mimed performances at San Remo and Montreux feature John and Brian miming a lot of synthesiser bits which they were unlikely to have recorded, it was just for the visuals.
[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]
The style of the piano is different from Freddie's typical style.
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Actually, it's not.
[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]
There is a big difference in the arrangement of the piano between the BBC version
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It's not that different, really. The BBC one is more aggressive, but the same could be said about drums, bass and guitars... they're all (including the piano) still clearly played by the same people who did it on the album.
[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]
... the album version where I am convinced it is played by John.
[/QUOTE]
You can convince yourself of anything, it won't make it true. I could 'be convinced' New Zealand will win the world cup by scoring 22-0 against each and every team, that won't make it a reality.
Vocal harmony
[QUOTE] [b]LongShortSally wrote:[/b]
Pretty sure Freddie played piano on SYW studio version as if John played it, it would have been listed in the lyric sheet.[/QUOTE]
I think he did, but you can't always rely on album liner notes/credits as there are songs on some albums which are not fully credited to who played or sung what.
Pretty sure Freddie played piano on SYW studio version as if John played it, it would have been listed in the lyric sheet.[/QUOTE]
I think he did, but you can't always rely on album liner notes/credits as there are songs on some albums which are not fully credited to who played or sung what.
Sebastian
True and, since I love lists so much, here's a(n admittedly partial) list of uncredited performers per album:
- Queen: Whoever played organ on 'Liar.'
- Queen II: Roy's stylophone on 'Seven Seas,' plus the people who were singing along to 'I Do Like to Be Beside the Seaside.'
- Heart Attack: Whoever played organ on 'Now I'm Here.'
- Opera: Roger and Brian are only credited for vocals on the songs they sang lead on and on 'Bo Rhap.' That would mean Roger didn't sing on ''39,' 'Death on Two Legs,' 'Best Friend' or 'Prophet's Song' when he obviously did; that would also mean Brian didn't sing on 'Best Friend' and others. If my theory is correct that Rog played rhythm on 'Car' (it could be... or it could not be), then that'd be another uncredited performance.
- Races: People singing at the end of 'Teo Torriatte.'
- News: Brian's piano on 'All Dead' and John's acoustic guitar (but not piano) on 'Spread Your Wings.' Also, IIRC, Frederick on backing vocals (he's credited for lead and that's it, except for 'All Dead').
- Jazz, The Game, Hot Space, The Works, The Miracle: Nobody's credited for anything (except for Mack and Fred Mandel).
- Flash Gordon: Brian on piano and organ (he's only credited for guitar and synth... and vocals and writing and producing, of course).
- A Kind of Magic: That one seems to be quite alright. It's rather vague but it does mention people's participation.
- Innuendo: David Richards' additional synth work here and there.
- Made in Heaven: Dave on 'My Life Has Been Saved' and then some people such as Spike, Erdal and Mike, whom are thanked but it's not specified whether they actually played or not, even though they did.
- Queen: Whoever played organ on 'Liar.'
- Queen II: Roy's stylophone on 'Seven Seas,' plus the people who were singing along to 'I Do Like to Be Beside the Seaside.'
- Heart Attack: Whoever played organ on 'Now I'm Here.'
- Opera: Roger and Brian are only credited for vocals on the songs they sang lead on and on 'Bo Rhap.' That would mean Roger didn't sing on ''39,' 'Death on Two Legs,' 'Best Friend' or 'Prophet's Song' when he obviously did; that would also mean Brian didn't sing on 'Best Friend' and others. If my theory is correct that Rog played rhythm on 'Car' (it could be... or it could not be), then that'd be another uncredited performance.
- Races: People singing at the end of 'Teo Torriatte.'
- News: Brian's piano on 'All Dead' and John's acoustic guitar (but not piano) on 'Spread Your Wings.' Also, IIRC, Frederick on backing vocals (he's credited for lead and that's it, except for 'All Dead').
- Jazz, The Game, Hot Space, The Works, The Miracle: Nobody's credited for anything (except for Mack and Fred Mandel).
- Flash Gordon: Brian on piano and organ (he's only credited for guitar and synth... and vocals and writing and producing, of course).
- A Kind of Magic: That one seems to be quite alright. It's rather vague but it does mention people's participation.
- Innuendo: David Richards' additional synth work here and there.
- Made in Heaven: Dave on 'My Life Has Been Saved' and then some people such as Spike, Erdal and Mike, whom are thanked but it's not specified whether they actually played or not, even though they did.
Kuijpy
Sebastian please....
You think u know everything
You think u know everything
Vocal harmony
[QUOTE] [b]Kuijpy wrote:[/b]
Sebastian please....
You think u know everything[/QUOTE]
Sebastian has never said that, but he probably knows more than you on this subject.
Sebastian please....
You think u know everything[/QUOTE]
Sebastian has never said that, but he probably knows more than you on this subject.
bootLuca
[QUOTE] [b]LongShortSally wrote:[/b]
Pretty sure Freddie played piano on SYW studio version as if John played it, it would have been listed in the lyric sheet.[/QUOTE]
this is the only evidence that you may be right
Pretty sure Freddie played piano on SYW studio version as if John played it, it would have been listed in the lyric sheet.[/QUOTE]
this is the only evidence that you may be right
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]Kuijpy wrote:[/b]
You think u know everything[/QUOTE]
No, I do not. I don't know at least 99.99% of what there is to know. But the remaining 0.01% that I do know is enough to be fairly certain that Frederick played piano on SYW rather than John. If there's at any point any evidence pointing otherwise, I'll readily change my mind, but I mean genuine evidence, not the fact John mimed it for the video (that, alone, proves absolutely nothing).
You think u know everything[/QUOTE]
No, I do not. I don't know at least 99.99% of what there is to know. But the remaining 0.01% that I do know is enough to be fairly certain that Frederick played piano on SYW rather than John. If there's at any point any evidence pointing otherwise, I'll readily change my mind, but I mean genuine evidence, not the fact John mimed it for the video (that, alone, proves absolutely nothing).
Ozz
You do write leaving little room to disagree with your Queen Facts, Sebastian.
Particularly given the fact that none of us were there, and we rely on documentary/interview information.
"For that particular video, Frederick was pissed"
All we know, Freddie was a bit drunk in that shoot.
Particularly given the fact that none of us were there, and we rely on documentary/interview information.
"For that particular video, Frederick was pissed"
All we know, Freddie was a bit drunk in that shoot.
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]Ozz wrote:[/b]
You do write leaving little room to disagree with your Queen Facts, Sebastian. [/QUOTE]
First of all, those are not 'my' Queen facts. Facts do not have any owners.
Second of all, whoever wants to disagree is free to do so, I'm not chaining anyone or blocking their IP (and I wouldn't know how to do that anyway).
If anyone wants to prove me wrong and has evidence to do it (and that's happened many times), I'll be more than happy to stand corrected and change my mind.
If the best evidence they can come up with is 'John mimes it in the video, therefore he must have played it on the record' then no, that's not good enough. Otherwise, we should believe (as I mistakenly did for years) that John also sang backing vocals on loads of things, played banjo on 'Magic', Brian played the 'Crazy' intro on a Tele, etc.
[QUOTE] [b]Ozz wrote:[/b]
Particularly given the fact that none of us were there, and we rely on documentary/interview information.
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Exactly, and that's more than enough information to be able to know a lot of things. I've got no way to know what colour was John's shirt when he was writing that song (or if he was wearing a shirt at all), but there's a lot of information to have some degree of certainty on whether he played the piano on it or not and, no, he most likely did not. The video could've shown him playing the intro on a bloody saxophone, that still wouldn't mean a thing.
[QUOTE] [b]Ozz wrote:[/b]
"For that particular video, Frederick was pissed"
All we know, Freddie was a bit drunk in that shoot.
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Yes, that's what I wrote.
You do write leaving little room to disagree with your Queen Facts, Sebastian. [/QUOTE]
First of all, those are not 'my' Queen facts. Facts do not have any owners.
Second of all, whoever wants to disagree is free to do so, I'm not chaining anyone or blocking their IP (and I wouldn't know how to do that anyway).
If anyone wants to prove me wrong and has evidence to do it (and that's happened many times), I'll be more than happy to stand corrected and change my mind.
If the best evidence they can come up with is 'John mimes it in the video, therefore he must have played it on the record' then no, that's not good enough. Otherwise, we should believe (as I mistakenly did for years) that John also sang backing vocals on loads of things, played banjo on 'Magic', Brian played the 'Crazy' intro on a Tele, etc.
[QUOTE] [b]Ozz wrote:[/b]
Particularly given the fact that none of us were there, and we rely on documentary/interview information.
[/QUOTE]
Exactly, and that's more than enough information to be able to know a lot of things. I've got no way to know what colour was John's shirt when he was writing that song (or if he was wearing a shirt at all), but there's a lot of information to have some degree of certainty on whether he played the piano on it or not and, no, he most likely did not. The video could've shown him playing the intro on a bloody saxophone, that still wouldn't mean a thing.
[QUOTE] [b]Ozz wrote:[/b]
"For that particular video, Frederick was pissed"
All we know, Freddie was a bit drunk in that shoot.
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Yes, that's what I wrote.
cmsdrums
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
True and, since I love lists so much, here's a(n admittedly partial) list of uncredited performers per album:
If my theory is correct that Rog played rhythm on 'Car' (it could be... or it could not be), then that'd be another uncredited performance.
Also, IIRC, Frederick on backing vocals (he's credited for lead and that's it, except for 'All Dead').
.[/QUOTE]
I agree your supposition that it’s Roger on one of the rhythm guitar parts on ‘...Car’ - I think that’s clear from the guitar and vocal mix on the 2011 deluxe release.
To be really pedantic, Freddie isn’t credited with “lead” vocals on ‘All Dead..’, both he and Brian are just credited with “vocals” (lead and/or backing aren’t specified).
True and, since I love lists so much, here's a(n admittedly partial) list of uncredited performers per album:
If my theory is correct that Rog played rhythm on 'Car' (it could be... or it could not be), then that'd be another uncredited performance.
Also, IIRC, Frederick on backing vocals (he's credited for lead and that's it, except for 'All Dead').
.[/QUOTE]
I agree your supposition that it’s Roger on one of the rhythm guitar parts on ‘...Car’ - I think that’s clear from the guitar and vocal mix on the 2011 deluxe release.
To be really pedantic, Freddie isn’t credited with “lead” vocals on ‘All Dead..’, both he and Brian are just credited with “vocals” (lead and/or backing aren’t specified).
Sebastian
Yes, that's consistent with what I wrote:
- On 'All Dead, All Dead' both Brian and Frederick are credited for vocals (without specifying which vocals).
- One the album liner notes, IIRC, Fred is credited for 'lead vocals,' but not 'backing vocals,' which would mean he didn't sing any BV's on 'Rock You,' 'Champions,' 'Get Down, Make Love,' 'Who Needs You' or 'It's Late' even though he obviously did.
By following the credits to the letter, it would mean the only song on that album which could've had BV's from Frederick was 'All Dead' and that's clearly not true.
- On 'All Dead, All Dead' both Brian and Frederick are credited for vocals (without specifying which vocals).
- One the album liner notes, IIRC, Fred is credited for 'lead vocals,' but not 'backing vocals,' which would mean he didn't sing any BV's on 'Rock You,' 'Champions,' 'Get Down, Make Love,' 'Who Needs You' or 'It's Late' even though he obviously did.
By following the credits to the letter, it would mean the only song on that album which could've had BV's from Frederick was 'All Dead' and that's clearly not true.
Kuijpy
So Queen are just 5 people..
John Deacon
Freddie Mercury
Brian May
Roger Taylor
Sebastian ....
John Deacon
Freddie Mercury
Brian May
Roger Taylor
Sebastian ....