NOTW 40th anniversary - "Raw sessions" track descriptions

[QUOTE] [b]Kuijpy wrote:[/b]

So Queen are just 5 people..

John Deacon
Freddie Mercury
Brian May
Roger Taylor
Sebastian ....

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Six, if you count Adam Lambert.

Cheers,

Ogre-

[QUOTE] [b]Kuijpy wrote:[/b]

So Queen are just 5 people..

John Deacon
Freddie Mercury
Brian May
Roger Taylor
Sebastian ....

[/QUOTE]

I'm not part of Queen, never have been. You, however, seem to be more obsessed with me than many Queen fans are with them. Is your life so empty and pathetic?

[QUOTE] [b]Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira wrote:[/b]

Six, if you count Adam Lambert.

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I don't know about that... Frederick was clear: 'no time for losers,' and Adam lost n_n

:D

[QUOTE] [b]Ozz wrote:[/b]

You do write leaving little room to disagree with your Queen Facts, Sebastian.

Particularly given the fact that none of us were there, and we rely on documentary/interview information.

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Well, I guess I should quit my job then, along with all other historians in the world. Since we rely mostly on documentary information and few of us were present for the events we describe, I suppose our work is no better than the opinion of any random person...

[QUOTE] [b]Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Kuijpy wrote:[/b]

So Queen are just 5 people..

John Deacon
Freddie Mercury
Brian May
Roger Taylor
Sebastian ....

[/QUOTE]

Six, if you count Adam Lambert.

Cheers,

Ogre-

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Hey, what about the 7th ? Fred´s favourite singer of all time? He´s already forgotten .... poor little Paulie :-(((

[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]

Yes, that's consistent with what I wrote:

- On 'All Dead, All Dead' both Brian and Frederick are credited for vocals (without specifying which vocals).
- One the album liner notes, IIRC, Fred is credited for 'lead vocals,' but not 'backing vocals,' which would mean he didn't sing any BV's on 'Rock You,' 'Champions,' 'Get Down, Make Love,' 'Who Needs You' or 'It's Late' even though he obviously did.

By following the credits to the letter, it would mean the only song on that album which could've had BV's from Frederick was 'All Dead' and that's clearly not true.[/QUOTE]


I haven't got it in front of me, but my memory is different to yours, in that Fred is NOT credited with 'lead' vocals as per your recollection.

If so, then I'll happily stand corrected. See? I've got no problem in changing my mind when presented with evidence... but I do mean real evidence.

If I claim the liner notes say something and someone shows me the liner notes (or I go check them myself) and realise it's not so, then of course I'll admit I'm wrong.

If someone manages to produce bona fide evidence of John (or Mike, or Mary Austin) having played the piano on 'Spread Your Wings' (e.g. an interview featuring Frederick saying that he played it on stage but John, Mike or Mary played it on the record) I'll immediately adjust my claims. If the only so-called evidence is that John mimes it for a few bars on the video - which, again, proves nothing - then that's not good enough. It's like claiming John sings BV's on 'Bo Rhap,' 'Somebody to Love,' 'Tie Your Mother Down,' 'Don't Stop Me Now,' 'Bicycle Race,' 'Headlong,' 'Break Free,' 'One Vision' and others just because he mimes them on the videos. For the record, I did claim that for many years and I was completely wrong because, again, videos prove absolutely nothing.

[QUOTE] [b]Kuijpy wrote:[/b]

So Queen are just 5 people..

John Deacon
Freddie Mercury
Brian May
Roger Taylor
Sebastian ....

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Are you still here. . .

[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]

I haven't got it in front of me, but my memory is different to yours, in that Fred is NOT credited with 'lead' vocals as per your recollection.[/QUOTE]

Just checked and you're right. I stand corrected.

is there any evidence to know who the pianist is in "spread your wings"?
There's only the clue that if it doesn't appear in the credits, then it is supposed to be Freddie, but we don't know for sure.
Considering that
1) is a song of john and often the songwriter plays the rhythm of his baby
2) that john is perfectly able to play that part
3) the arrangement doesn't look like the usual Freddie's rhythmed stile like the live version.
For these reasons it seems perfectly plausible that the part was played by John, but this is just my modest supposition, I always give the benefit of the doubt, I have no presumption of dispensing absolute truths, I'm not Jesus.

[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]

1) is a song of john and often the songwriter plays the rhythm of his baby
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Occasionally, but not 'often.' 'Best Friend' was a one-off. Brian often played piano on his own compositions; John, only 'Best Friend' and a few synth bits here and there.

[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]

2) that john is perfectly able to play that part
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So was Brian... perhaps, given enough takes and edits, any one of the four could've also played rhythm guitar and perhaps a few drum bits... both Brian and Roger had enough vocal range to sing it. None of that proves a thing.

[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]

3) the arrangement doesn't look like the usual Freddie's rhythmed stile like the live version.
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In fact, the arrangement is very much a percussive thing in the way Frederick usually played. Of course, if you've already convinced yourself someone else played that part, you'll automatically hear it differently.

[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]

For these reasons it seems perfectly plausible that the part was played by John[/QUOTE]

According to that, maybe Brian played the bass on 'Sleepin' on the Sidewalk,' and maybe Fred played the drums on 'Get Down, Make Love,' and maybe Mike Stone sang backing vocals on 'Fight from the Inside,' and maybe Tobin Bell wrote 'Play the Game.'

[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]

I'm not Jesus.[/QUOTE]

Of course not: you do exist!

[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]

I'm not Jesus.[/QUOTE]

Of course not: you do exist![/QUOTE]

LOL!!

I think maybe you're right, but you do too much to discredit people's opinions rather than support yours!

Sebastian was low
Just refreshing the thread
Over and over again
Knew it was time
They made up their minds
To decide who played the intro

Ozz said to him
"Boy you'd better begin
To get those Queen facts right out of your head
Sebastian who do you think that you are?
You should've been clearing up who played the intro"

Who played the intro and jammed away
Jammed away, jammed away
Who played the little intro and jammed away
Jammed away, jammed away
Pull yourselves together
'Cos you know the facts are clear
About who played the intro.

They spend their evenings alone posting on Queenzone
Not keeping their thoughts to themselves, they'd be arguing soon
Pretending they were miles and miles away
But checking the sleeve notes and replaying videos

Since John was small
Had no luck at all
But writing nice tunes came easy to him
Now it was time
He'd made up his mind
"This could be my last chance to play the piano"

Freddie said to him, "Now listen John!
You're always dreaming
Although you've got keyboard skills, you won't get very far into the song
Johnny boy, don't you know who I am?
My name is Freddie and I shall play piano on this song"

"So Johnny

I'll play piano and jam away
Jam away, jam away
I'll play piano and jam away
On your song, on your song

But pull yourself together
'Cos you know you will do better
... you'll have a US number one in 3 years...

So I'll play piano and jam away
Jam away, jam away
I'll play piano and jam away
On your song, on your song.."

Etc.

LOL ^

"and maybe Fred played the drums on 'Get Down, Make Love'"

Well, I can definitely tell you as a skilled drummer myself that it's very easy to observe from watching Freddie playing drums on the NOTW rehearsal footage that he certainly did not have the mental coordination needed to play the drums as ably as Roger at that time.
Maybe with practice over the years he could have achieved that capability, but we'll never know :P

[QUOTE] [b]bootLuca wrote:[/b]

I think maybe you're right, but you do too much to discredit people's opinions rather than support yours![/QUOTE]

I do not. I already told you, several times, why it's most likely Frederick and why the video proves nothing. Of course, if you've already convinced yourself that you're a poor innocent victim, then everything everybody else does or doesn't do will be seen as confirmation in your eyes.

[QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b]

he certainly did not have the mental coordination needed to play the drums as ably as Roger at that time.[/QUOTE]

Of course Roger was the best drummer out of the four of them, and John was the best bassist, Brian the best guitarist, Frederick the best singer and pianist, but that still didn't stop people from trying out each other's roles once in a while.

I chose 'Get Down, Make Love' because that one's got some sections consisting mostly of beats simple enough that even Frederick, given enough takes and edits, would've been able to just about play them. Of course, 'it could have happened' is not the same as 'it definitely happened.' Again, that SYW piano is easy enough that Brian, John, Peter Freestone, David Richards, Anthony Hopkins and a few of the engineers who worked on the album could've played it - which doesn't mean they did.