Sweetandtenderhooligan
Gosh I'm so sorry for the triple replies
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runner_70
[QUOTE] [b]Sweetandtenderhooligan wrote:[/b]
Quite a few thing annoyed me:
-Treating him being gay as something dirty
- Paul Prenter being seen as turning him gay and forcing him into orgies (people on youtube actually have said that) and having a relationship with Freddie
- Freddie being portrayed as this little child, alone at Garden Lodge waiting for Mary to flicker on a damn light. again, this has led many people to believe that it was true, while we know he had very close friends, two of whom we are lucky enough to have posting here
- The fake meet cute with Jim. Honestly the way they met in real life was cuter, I think, considering Jim told him to fuck right off
- Adding to the item above, they focused a lot on Mary and not enough on Jim.
- The band seeing him as this party animal who showed up late and didn't give a shit.
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There are even more parts that are disgusting
Quite a few thing annoyed me:
-Treating him being gay as something dirty
- Paul Prenter being seen as turning him gay and forcing him into orgies (people on youtube actually have said that) and having a relationship with Freddie
- Freddie being portrayed as this little child, alone at Garden Lodge waiting for Mary to flicker on a damn light. again, this has led many people to believe that it was true, while we know he had very close friends, two of whom we are lucky enough to have posting here
- The fake meet cute with Jim. Honestly the way they met in real life was cuter, I think, considering Jim told him to fuck right off
- Adding to the item above, they focused a lot on Mary and not enough on Jim.
- The band seeing him as this party animal who showed up late and didn't give a shit.
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There are even more parts that are disgusting
Golden Salmon
[url=http://deadline.com/2018/12/bohemian-rhapsody-crosses-600-million-worldwide-box-office-1202519477/]'Bohemian Rhapsody' Rocks Past $600M WW[/url], [b]Becomes All-Time Top Music Biopic[/b]
Holy shit!
Holy shit!
matt z
just a side note... I believe FANDANGO deleted my review.
(They limit you to 900 characters)... So the recreated one ...here;
** (two stars of five)
IS THIS THE FILM THEY CREATED??? WHAT DID THEY DO IT FOR?..
Seems that any unfavorable review is getting deleted. I'll post briefly again. The film was 12+ years in the making when it was over, I was shocked that THIS was the film they finally made. The SCRIPT is atrocious! Everything (EVERYTHING) is corny self declatory exposition We'll be the greatest band ever! Unique! Except that we're outsiders and we'll play to the loners freaks..etc".. Absurd stuff. Nevermind Fred talking gallantly about his teeth (something which irked him his whole life) Granted the film had about two good dramatic scenes (Fred + Mary "breaking up" and The fictitious PRESS CONFERENCE) the rest was turd city. The band hardly even comes off as the behemoth they were LIVE. Nor does their hard work show up here. If you believed this you'd think Bri and Rog are saints, that John was expendible, and that Queen self financed their first record. This is all absurd. The live scenes were very disappointing. Hell they even used grainy Digital sourced video for the credits! C-
My first review mentioned that it seemed like an incomplete incoherent mess.. but hell.. I dunno.
Has anybody else experienced censorship for talking about this film?
(They limit you to 900 characters)... So the recreated one ...here;
** (two stars of five)
IS THIS THE FILM THEY CREATED??? WHAT DID THEY DO IT FOR?..
Seems that any unfavorable review is getting deleted. I'll post briefly again. The film was 12+ years in the making when it was over, I was shocked that THIS was the film they finally made. The SCRIPT is atrocious! Everything (EVERYTHING) is corny self declatory exposition We'll be the greatest band ever! Unique! Except that we're outsiders and we'll play to the loners freaks..etc".. Absurd stuff. Nevermind Fred talking gallantly about his teeth (something which irked him his whole life) Granted the film had about two good dramatic scenes (Fred + Mary "breaking up" and The fictitious PRESS CONFERENCE) the rest was turd city. The band hardly even comes off as the behemoth they were LIVE. Nor does their hard work show up here. If you believed this you'd think Bri and Rog are saints, that John was expendible, and that Queen self financed their first record. This is all absurd. The live scenes were very disappointing. Hell they even used grainy Digital sourced video for the credits! C-
My first review mentioned that it seemed like an incomplete incoherent mess.. but hell.. I dunno.
Has anybody else experienced censorship for talking about this film?
Blackvy
matt, I couldn't agree with you more on that.
runner_70
Still a huge disappointment
pholidota
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
If you believed this you'd think Bri and Rog are saints
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I could maybe agree on portrayal Brian, but I don't think that sleeping around and cheating on your partner (I'm not going to say 'wife', as I believe Roger and Dominique weren't married at that point) is considered saintly, and they kind of clearly stated in the film that's what Roger was doing. Curious they managed to work those jabs in, for the little time other band members spent on screen.
There was a scene where they meet John for the first time. Apparently, it'll be on the DVD extras. Sad it was cut out of the film.
If you believed this you'd think Bri and Rog are saints
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I could maybe agree on portrayal Brian, but I don't think that sleeping around and cheating on your partner (I'm not going to say 'wife', as I believe Roger and Dominique weren't married at that point) is considered saintly, and they kind of clearly stated in the film that's what Roger was doing. Curious they managed to work those jabs in, for the little time other band members spent on screen.
There was a scene where they meet John for the first time. Apparently, it'll be on the DVD extras. Sad it was cut out of the film.
matt z
Well...^ yeah. It'd probably be another phony creation. They just wanted to turn the first half into a road "buddy" picture. Much to the detriment of the band's work (deemed boring) creation deemed (boring) and scholarly work (deemed boring)
So of course Brian's homemade singular guitar gets no mention neither does Deacy's amp. Neither does any "recorded in downtime" stuff (boring)
Neither the rigging. Nor monumental gigs nor BIG SPENDER nor DEATH ON TWO LEGS nor any crucial stuff the band did. Save change managers with more frontal exposition.
I stillreally don't know what audiences were seeing cause i don't catch it at all.
So of course Brian's homemade singular guitar gets no mention neither does Deacy's amp. Neither does any "recorded in downtime" stuff (boring)
Neither the rigging. Nor monumental gigs nor BIG SPENDER nor DEATH ON TWO LEGS nor any crucial stuff the band did. Save change managers with more frontal exposition.
I stillreally don't know what audiences were seeing cause i don't catch it at all.
Thrill Yeti
Just downloaded the Live Aid segment of the film off of YouTube and compared it to the real thing, audio wise. It IS Freddie's voice (and the others' instruments), which means, as Brian claimed on Instagram, they found a multi track of Live Aid. This of course raises the question of why the mixes on the soundtrack were the low quality mixes we already had.
It also raises the question of at what point they found this multitrack. We know Martel recorded the vocal improv that was in the trailer, and I feel like when we saw that leaked footage of them rehearsing the Live Aid segment that Malek was lip syncing to Martel's voice. Maybe they got hold of the multi track after they shot that performance, and previously Marcus had recorded the whole vocal.
Anyway, there are plenty of edits to the Live Aid songs in the film. The most shameful of which is that they actually extent Freddie's sustained A4 in the vocal improv by probably over a second. Ridiculous. As if the original wasn't impressive enough.
Most of the other edits are just chopping things for length. There's a weird edit in the first verse of Bohemian Rhapsody which seems to be there to fit with Malek's lip syncing.
It also raises the question of at what point they found this multitrack. We know Martel recorded the vocal improv that was in the trailer, and I feel like when we saw that leaked footage of them rehearsing the Live Aid segment that Malek was lip syncing to Martel's voice. Maybe they got hold of the multi track after they shot that performance, and previously Marcus had recorded the whole vocal.
Anyway, there are plenty of edits to the Live Aid songs in the film. The most shameful of which is that they actually extent Freddie's sustained A4 in the vocal improv by probably over a second. Ridiculous. As if the original wasn't impressive enough.
Most of the other edits are just chopping things for length. There's a weird edit in the first verse of Bohemian Rhapsody which seems to be there to fit with Malek's lip syncing.
emrabt
[QUOTE] [b]Thrill Yeti wrote:[/b]
It also raises the question of at what point they found this multitrack.[/QUOTE]
Woodcharm (Geldof's company) may have always had it, remember when the DVD set of Live Aid was released in the Mid 2000's and they patched up a lot of Vocal problems, re-recorded Paul Mccartney's Let It Be, removed the feedback squeak from Crazy Little Thing Called Love and the technicans talking about raido mic's during Is This The World We Created.
It also raises the question of at what point they found this multitrack.[/QUOTE]
Woodcharm (Geldof's company) may have always had it, remember when the DVD set of Live Aid was released in the Mid 2000's and they patched up a lot of Vocal problems, re-recorded Paul Mccartney's Let It Be, removed the feedback squeak from Crazy Little Thing Called Love and the technicans talking about raido mic's during Is This The World We Created.
runner_70
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
Well...^ yeah. It'd probably be another phony creation. They just wanted to turn the first half into a road "buddy" picture. Much to the detriment of the band's work (deemed boring) creation deemed (boring) and scholarly work (deemed boring)
So of course Brian's homemade singular guitar gets no mention neither does Deacy's amp. Neither does any "recorded in downtime" stuff (boring)
Neither the rigging. Nor monumental gigs nor BIG SPENDER nor DEATH ON TWO LEGS nor any crucial stuff the band did. Save change managers with more frontal exposition.
I stillreally don't know what audiences were seeing cause i don't catch it at all. [/QUOTE]
Me neither - 95% of the comments are very postive and it is hard to believe that any Queen or Freddie fan would love such a lousy superficial flick full of inaccuracies and blatant lies
Well...^ yeah. It'd probably be another phony creation. They just wanted to turn the first half into a road "buddy" picture. Much to the detriment of the band's work (deemed boring) creation deemed (boring) and scholarly work (deemed boring)
So of course Brian's homemade singular guitar gets no mention neither does Deacy's amp. Neither does any "recorded in downtime" stuff (boring)
Neither the rigging. Nor monumental gigs nor BIG SPENDER nor DEATH ON TWO LEGS nor any crucial stuff the band did. Save change managers with more frontal exposition.
I stillreally don't know what audiences were seeing cause i don't catch it at all. [/QUOTE]
Me neither - 95% of the comments are very postive and it is hard to believe that any Queen or Freddie fan would love such a lousy superficial flick full of inaccuracies and blatant lies
runner_70
[QUOTE] We know Martel recorded the vocal improv that was in the trailer, [/QUOTE]
Do we? IMHO it is 100% Freddie
Do we? IMHO it is 100% Freddie
spiralstatic
I find it fascinating from a few people in this topic and in other places to read people siding with or against Mary and Jim as if that's what it is: some kind of battle. Who did Freddie love most? And the other *side*/person must be irrelevant or a bad person somehow. And in terms of the film that people perceive it as hiding Freddie's sexuality or as being anti-gay. The film is far from perfect, and I seem to be very much in a minority in having found it really moving despite its flaws, and even though the historical (& even musical) inaccuracies and the sheer saintliness of Brian did annoy me somewhat. But I don't at all think the film is anti gay, nor does it hide the fact that Freddie was gay. Is the fact that Freddie and Mary's relationship is a huge focus seen as the main issue here? Because it is the main focus, but the implication is not at all that Freddie was straight - from the very first scenes there are allusions to Freddie's interest in men (a guy checks him out just before he sees Mary for the first time) and throughout the film is very clear that he is gay... and yes Paul Prenter is there as the evil villain, but he is only one person and film-Freddie has quite clearly shown his sexual desires before Paul becomes a factor in the film. (In fact I feel Paul could have been portrayed worse than he is, I think.)
From his own words and from their closeness, Freddie clearly did love Mary, but not in a romantic or sexual way. But in a way that seems to have maybe been deeper than the level at least of trust he got to with any lover. But that doesn't mean there wasn't love and passion in his romantic relationships. By all accounts there seems to have been very much indeed and not only with Jim. But maybe there was seldom that much peace? Anyway, I have no idea. I hope he loved and was happy with Jim by the end and I hope he loved Mary too and I'm pretty sure he did. Like all sorts of things such as people discussing who songs are about and having the view no song could be about Mary or every song must be about Mary sort of thing too. I don't understand the way of thinking.
Back to the film. As I say, it wasn't the best quality film ever, but it moved me and I enjoyed it which is more than enough for me. And it sort of brought me more fully back into the true Queen obsessive I was for over 10 years of my childhood and teens, so I am totally grateful for that. On a negative, is anyone else irked at times by Martel's voice in the film? His tone and timbre is mainly so very like Freddie's, yet his emotion and phrasing is not Freddie and somehow the similarity juxtaposed with this lack gives me a pang of pain. I wish they had had enough separated vocal tracks of Freddie that they could have used his voice only. (For Martel, specifically the Love of my Life and Bohemian Rhapsody composing scenes in the film are where it gets me - especially the way Martel ends his singing each of these.)
From his own words and from their closeness, Freddie clearly did love Mary, but not in a romantic or sexual way. But in a way that seems to have maybe been deeper than the level at least of trust he got to with any lover. But that doesn't mean there wasn't love and passion in his romantic relationships. By all accounts there seems to have been very much indeed and not only with Jim. But maybe there was seldom that much peace? Anyway, I have no idea. I hope he loved and was happy with Jim by the end and I hope he loved Mary too and I'm pretty sure he did. Like all sorts of things such as people discussing who songs are about and having the view no song could be about Mary or every song must be about Mary sort of thing too. I don't understand the way of thinking.
Back to the film. As I say, it wasn't the best quality film ever, but it moved me and I enjoyed it which is more than enough for me. And it sort of brought me more fully back into the true Queen obsessive I was for over 10 years of my childhood and teens, so I am totally grateful for that. On a negative, is anyone else irked at times by Martel's voice in the film? His tone and timbre is mainly so very like Freddie's, yet his emotion and phrasing is not Freddie and somehow the similarity juxtaposed with this lack gives me a pang of pain. I wish they had had enough separated vocal tracks of Freddie that they could have used his voice only. (For Martel, specifically the Love of my Life and Bohemian Rhapsody composing scenes in the film are where it gets me - especially the way Martel ends his singing each of these.)
Thrill Yeti
@runner_70 It was never confirmed who sang that vocal improv in the trailer, but from the moment I heard it I thought it wasn't Freddie. If it is his Live Aid vocal then they have put a VERY weird cleanup effect on it that isn't on it in the final film. Which would be an odd thing to do, just for the trailer.
runner_70
For me it was 110% Freddie -just compare the recordings