Let us hope the UK does right by their citizens and leave the European Union on the 31st October. The majority of voters of the 2016 referendum voted to Leave and the MPs and the unelected dickheads at the House of Lords would love to put a stop to Brexit, as remaining in the EU is a gravy train for them.
Dr Magus · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]richrich wrote:[/b]
Let us hope the UK does right by their citizens and leave the European Union on the 31st October. The majority of voters of the 2016 referendum voted to Leave and the MPs and the unelected dickheads at the House of Lords would love to put a stop to Brexit, as remaining in the EU is a gravy train for them.[/QUOTE]
You are 100% correct.
Leaving with no deal on the 31st will ensure we get the deal we want.
runner_70 · Member since
The UK is digging its own grave. Have fun leaving you sad retards
Pls Runner, go back masturbating over Adams pics.. This is for adults only.
richrich · Member since
I predict that, in five months time, the UK will be back with non-stop coverage of Brexit and of Harry and Saint Meghan.
There should be a very serious look into why the world was really locked down.
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sealion wrote:[/b]Even if it’s a democratic vote: My opinion is, that the average citizen doesn’t have the knowledge to decide about something as complex as the Brexit. With all the lies that were spread, people decided with their hearts and their guts. But without understanding the consequences. [/QUOTE]
well then, (by your reasoning) the complex membership decision taken originally in the 1975 referendum, was also beyond the grasp of the "average citizen" - and therefore void.
secondly, there were lies on both sides of the argument.
The Remain Campaigners were far more aggressive and mendacious: Project Fear (the PM and Chancellor's own scheme) threatened UK citizens with an absolute "sky is falling" scenario.
Barack Obama actually (on Cameron's request) threatened the UK - telling us we'd be "back of the queue with any trade deals".
* these were Cameron's words - American's do not say "queue" - they'd used the word "line".
Nathan H · Member since
I'm still so angry about Brexit. I just feel that a lot of people who voted for Brexit believed too much by what key Brexiteers had to say e.g. £350m for the NHS. Where is it? We remaineers knew from the onset this was garbage but many people were too easily swayed. A lot of these would've been older people (they get conned because they believe what "companies" have to say) and poorer people (these are the people who live in rougher areas typically those north, the places where Tories gained in the last election due to their tours taking place there).
How many people have changed their minds now seeing how much you can't trust people?
I just bloody wished I could vote.
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Nathan H wrote:[/b]I'm still so angry about Brexit. I just feel that a lot of people who voted for Brexit believed too much by what key Brexiteers had to say e.g. £350m for the NHS. Where is it? [/QUOTE]
regardless of the accuracy of the £350m figure. why do you think you can demand any of it at this point in time? Whatever money is "earmarked" for the NHS will not become available until our EU financial responsibilities have ended.
The UK is legally bound to pay upto £32bn per annum until the end of the Transition Period (Dec 31st 2020). However, beyond that there are financial commitments/agreements we have to abide by.
more info here:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8039/
Nathan H · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Nathan H wrote:[/b]I'm still so angry about Brexit. I just feel that a lot of people who voted for Brexit believed too much by what key Brexiteers had to say e.g. £350m for the NHS. Where is it? [/QUOTE]
regardless of the accuracy of the £350m figure. why do you think you can demand any of it at this point in time? Whatever money is "earmarked" for the NHS will not become available until our EU financial responsibilities have ended.
The UK is legally bound to pay upto £32bn per annum until the end of the Transition Period (Dec 31st 2020). However, beyond that there are financial commitments/agreements we have to abide by.
more info here:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8039/
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Do you believe that the UK will pay the £350m a week to the NHS instead of the EU every week? That was one of the main points from the leave side.
Now on the subject of immigrants, leaving has made it worse. Now we can't just send them back because we don't have a free trade arrangement with France obviously because we're not part of the EU. Well at least I've never seen immigrants here as a bad thing I see it as a good thing to be honest and I wonder how many people just assumed that it would be stopped by simply the UK leaving the EU?
I just feel that I don't think I've read one positive thing which has happened since we've left the EU.
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Nathan H wrote:[/b]I just feel that I don't think I've read one positive thing which has happened since we've left the EU.[/QUOTE]
because the UK hasn't finally left yet. Dec 31st 2020 is our final leave date, when the transition period ends.
and don't buy into the hype about no positives. things will start to happen from Dec 31st.
The Japan and Australia trade deals are just the start. Both countries are part of the Trans-Pacific Partnership has membership of 11 other countries (Canada & Mexico) included.
stop reading the Guardian/Mirror and watching BBC/Channel 4 News. these outlets are purveyors of left-wing doom and national shame.
Nathan H · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Nathan H wrote:[/b]I just feel that I don't think I've read one positive thing which has happened since we've left the EU.[/QUOTE]
because the UK hasn't finally left yet. Dec 31st 2020 is our final leave date, when the transition period ends.
and don't buy into the hype about no positives. things will start to happen from Dec 31st.
The Japan and Australia trade deals are just the start. Both countries are part of the Trans-Pacific Partnership has membership of 11 other countries (Canada & Mexico) included.
stop reading the Guardian/Mirror and watching BBC/Channel 4 News. these outlets are purveyors of left-wing doom and national shame.
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Is it because of the media why you didn't answer my questions and points on the NHS or immigration? Is it because you know they spread news which is factually proven and scientific but disagrees with leavers?
National shame? I'd rather read stuff which has proper references and is statistically proven than right wing stuff which is often utter bollocks and in some cases even racist or offensive to people's personal identites.
brENsKi · Member since
i did answer you. but, alas, your left-wing veil has dropped - you refuse to accept answers that you don't like. pity. we should all have open minds.
fact is, the country voted - with lies on both sides of the campaigns. we voted leave, get on with it. you don;t get a do over / best of three, just because you didn;t like the outcome.
Even the Lib Dems have now accepted the vote and decided to move on. you should follow your leader's advice and do the same.
your comments really don't bear scrutiny. i suggest you check the BBC and how many times they've been caught out lying these last four years.
Nathan H · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
i suggest you check the BBC and how many times they've been caught out lying these last four years.
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Evidence?
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Nathan H wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
i suggest you check the BBC and how many times they've been caught out lying these last four years.
[/QUOTE]Evidence?[/QUOTE]
you make points about "evidence" - how about your evidence for those who've changed their minds? utter rubbish. everyone knew it was a once in a generation vote. and your claim of the "mind changers" - again rubbish: the Tories swept to power in December - gaining Red Wall seats - that had NEVER voted Tory before. Why? because they stood on a Get Brexit Done ticket, while Labour - after 4 years had no idea what side of the Brexit fence they stood and the Lib Dems - stood to "overturn" the referendum. Both parties were slaughtered. Incidentally, all 21 of your "staunch remainers" who changed parties twice (or more) during 2019 - all lost their seats in December. Voters are not the fools you think, they remembered what their MPs told them in 2015, 16 and 17 and remembered how those very MPs defied a public vote - repeatedly. all - every last man Jack of 'em were unceremoniously booted out of office in December.
i don't want to argue with you. if you're so convinced you're right, hang onto those beliefs. i hope you'll be big enough to admit you're wrong in two years time, when the EU project is unravelling (Austria, Italy, Greece, Hungary, all want out) and the UK will stand strong in the World.
my best guess? in two years time we won't be able to find a single person in the UK who will admit that they voted to remain.
I know how I voted, and - at long last - after 4 years of obstruction, it's now happening, I didn't vote leave for myself, I voted leave so that my son and his generation (and those thereafter) will be better for this.
i hope you don't mind, but please now find someone else (maybe a remain sympathizer) to continue this with, because it's clear you won't be swayed. and we know why, because the Remain campaign was only ever going to accept a result that they won.
