It's a tape in the background for certain but it's definently not for lip synching. It's a security or reherase tape that they had recorded and someone accidently played it. (Perhaps they were going to change the video on the screen...) I split this point 50/50 for Q+AL supporters and Q+AL haters.
So if it's lip synched, how come Adam's lead vocal suddenly loudens by quite a bit when his microphone gets turned up.
Well all those who moan at everything they Q+AL are so negative they don't come across as particulary encouraging the enlargening Queen fan base at all. They just care about themselves. If you want Queen to have legendary status and to last forever then this is how you do it.
The haters wait on here everyday hoping that they can't make a really negative point to prove everyone wrong so when an opportunity like this crops up of course they are going to select the worse case scenario.
Believe me I can see some of your negative points about Queen + Adam Lambert are true or at least partly, but you'd shouldn't be that negative as it's doing such a great thing to the band. If you don't agree, selfish...
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]21st Century Music Fan wrote:[/b]
It's a tape in the background for certain but it's definently not for lip synching. It's a security or reherase tape that they had recorded and someone accidently played it. (Perhaps they were going to change the video on the screen...) I split this point 50/50 for Q+AL supporters and Q+AL haters.
So if it's lip synched, how come Adam's lead vocal suddenly loudens by quite a bit when his microphone gets turned up.
Well all those who moan at everything they Q+AL are so negative they don't come across as particulary encouraging the enlargening Queen fan base at all. They just care about themselves. If you want Queen to have legendary status and to last forever then this is how you do it.
The haters wait on here everyday hoping that they can't make a really negative point to prove everyone wrong so when an opportunity like this crops up of course they are going to select the worse case scenario.
Believe me I can see some of your negative points about Queen + Adam Lambert are true or at least partly, but you'd shouldn't be that negative as it's doing such a great thing to the band. If you don't agree, selfish...[/QUOTE]
Why must it always come back to negativity and haters?
Some Glamberts are worse than the 'big bad Queen fans'. When a Queen fan says someone is like Hitler and the Gestapo, then come back to me. When a Queen fan says on Queen boards that Queen fans didn't accept all because he's gay, and Queen fans wanted Brian Roger and John to die with Freddie, then come back to me.
A Glambert that goes by SweetCaroline here and CNB on QOL posted that and spread that shit and ugly lies on Queen boards. It doesn't do anything for AL, or to help him, that's for sure, and it's things like that which turn people from wanting to support him. And that's due to SweetCaroline aka CNB who has an ax to grind about Queen fans as a whole, not just me. She hates me that's for sure, she's admitted to that, but going by her outbursts about Queen fans, it's safe to say she hates all Queen fans too. What the heck is she even doing here and on QOL...she gotta promote and spam about AL and label Queen fans. Then cry wolf when she can't get her own way. That's it in a nutshell.
Saying AL is a not so good singer, even a bad singer or that he looks like a freak has nothing on SweetCaroline aka CNBs wrath. Just so you know. She will come here thanking you for posting and her innocent act again.
If SweetCaroline thought for a minute that Sam Smith or Adele were lip syncing, she'd be crowing and bitching about it, because she simply thinks they were and are competition for AL. But when something goes wrong for AL or Q+AL she can never admit or even realise it, because she doesn''t "notice". I truly think she wants as many people as possible to think and to state everything is always perfect even when it's not. Something went wrong in Q+AL's set here, it's even more obvious now. I don't know how it can be denied.
rockchic65 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
You know what.
UPON FURTHER REVIEW
1) WATCHING THE SCROLLING SCREEN as a timetable (*it never altered rhythm)
2) hearing audience testimonials (*last 5 seconds you hear "is the audio out of sync"? From a Napoleon Dynamite sounding guy.
3)
THEY MIMED THE PERFORMANCE! !!
HOLY SHIT!
YOU ARE CORRECT SIR!
i take it back.
Goddamm i want my $350 back from four tickets on the last Tour [/QUOTE]
You can't seriously think they mime and don't play live on tour!! There's no way they lip sync and don't play live on tour and there's a ton of evidence of it on Youtube. Just watched that vid and judging from comments by people at the show and the other one that was posted at the time live it looks like someone activated a playback track part way through and it was out of sync because Adam wouldn't be singing playback so it didn't match what they were doing at the time. There's no way Adam lip sync's performances. They'd been having sound issues the day before and during rehearsal, no idea if they were using a different sound tech than usual but it's obvious something was activated that shouldn't have been IMO.
rockchic65 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]ACCR wrote:[/b]
People!!
If you analyze.. probably the situation was that they use a backing vocal tape in case something could be wrong with sound... normally festivals have many problems with the sound.. as you know.. it's not the same preparation of a normal concert.. many artists, changes in audios, equipment, etc...
Could be that this security tape was activated by mistake.. but I guarantee that they was playing-singing live (I was in front row)... and it was an amazing show!!![/QUOTE]
They will have tracks for the guys who are setting up the lighting, lazers and spotlights etc, everything is so tightly choreographed they'd have to be able to get it all set up without the band there in between gigs so it would be ready and seamless for each show but obviously stuff can go wrong and especially if it was a different sound tech guy. There's no way they don't play/sing live.
snifflese · Member since
Icy, no fans of Adam and QAL are saying the performance was perfect or any such nonsense. There were issues and personally, I think it had to do with the sound people. I have also seen them live 3 times and there was no lip synching. You can hear when Adam cracks up laughing or makes a remark or Brian snaps a string. No one says they are perfect all the time. That is in your mind as you are always so busy trying to find something wrong with them and their performances. Other people can hear a blooper or some mistake and still say it was magical and perfect. Other people can overlook a tiny little flaw in a great big show where everything was as wonderful as it could be and still say ,"Oh it was "perfect". Your standards are way too high. That is why you can't enjoy anything because nothing is ever perfect.
Sealion · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
It looks like lip syncing to me.
SweetCaroline, same video has been posted on QOL, so you don't need to pretend you can't watch it.[/QUOTE]
All that was discussed on QOL (and here) about 2 weeks ago. You even took part in that discussion on QOL. Some members there explained, what happened. More than once. The case was settled.
So I find it very dishonest and hypocritical, that you go on about lip syncing, while you know better.
This discussion here doesn’t show Queen fans in any good light. Some of you might think, it’s fun to criticize QAL. But you’re forgetting at times, that things like this discussion here make Queen look bad as well.
Don’t get me wrong: this thread itself would have been alright after that citizen show. But the ongoing discussion by so called ‚fans‘, who DO know better by know - but act as if they had no clue - is embarrassing for every true Queen fan.
GreatKingSam · Member since
Wait. The people in here saying that they were lip syncing were or weren't joking?
It's obviously a massive sync issue with the video... like, we all know that, right?
matt z · Member since
Just to point. It was in sync for most of the song.. now whether it's a security tape or it was a dupe for Adam to mime to to give himself a rest, for the (entire?) song, i wouldn't know.
Would require further scrutiny than my life is able to give at the moment (i.e. tracking down prior performances and testing wavelengths)
But like i said maybe they mimed some of this as it was a shared bill.
(*a point lost on the retort of the Glambertstein monster here)
I'm just shocked that this revealed they have a track and may be using em.
You DO realize that live "performance" I'm the pop (not Rock) world often utilizes stuff like this which can be conveyed rather sophisticatedsophisticatedly with vocal triggers. I.e. it's no longer simply played back but the performer can dip out if there's no input from their own voice at the time.
It's a cheat and is being utilized all over. ..even making it's way into rock acts.
It's just shocking this happened at all. I hadn't bothered to look back at it when this all came out because it's kind of a boring gig.
Seems the band thought so as well.
KISS is currently ripping off bands by doing nearly their entire act with tracks (excuses given to coordinating time sync with the visuals aren't forgiven - there have been multiple comparisons from show to show indicating they're donning the gear and walking onstage but hardly performing)
GreatKingSam · Member since
This video is quite clearly a syncing issue at source. It's fine for most of it, and quite clearly live, and then something happens with the encoding or whatever, and audio and video quite clearly go out of sync, to the point where parts of the video are speeding up and slowing down.
Why is this even a discussion, am I missing something?
Holly2003 · Member since
What do you mean "at source?"
Sealion · Member since
For those, who still don’t know, what happened, I‘ll copy the explanations by two members on QOL:
QUOTE 1
Here is my explanation of what happened during „Don’t stop me now“:
Everything runs smoothly until they get to the „Don‘t stop me, don’t stop me, don’t stop me, hey, hey“ part. On both, the Tv/online stream and on that above video from the audience.
At that point the screen behind them starts to change from the red curtains to a video. That video must be cued to that point in the song. Therefore you need a record. A computer system (or here maybe a technician?) starts the video, when the band is at that point in the song. So this background video was created based on a record of the song.
Normally you don’t hear its sound, because that’s muted. But for some reason, it isn’t this time. The live audience got to hear it. Unlike the pictures on TV, that video above isn’t in sync with the sound, from the moment the background video starts. There is a noticeable little jump in the sound at that point and from there to the end of that song the audience was listening to a record. The sound comes before the band plays. It looks like very bad playback.
The TV/stream and the band still got the live feed with a hint of the record in the background. Therefore Brian and Adam were noticeably a bit confused. Who wouldn’t?
Quote 2:
As xxx has pointed out, this part of the song cues the video screen footage, which is started too early. Error #1.
The backing tape, synced to the footage, has not been muted, so comes through the PA, and the live broadcast feed. Error #2.
Two overlapping errors. Even if the video had started at the right time, the tape would still have been audible over the live performance. That it started early just compounded the problem.
As for the why, it's common practice for lighting and video engineers to use pre-recorded "live" backing tracks to rehearse light and VT cues. It means the band do not have to be constantly on stage for technical rehearsals. In the Genesis documentary "Come Rain or Shine", pre-tour they have huge problems getting the VT timing right for the song "Domino". There are numerous scenes of the techies trying to get the cues right, the band also sitting at the desk with them, while a pre-recorded live rehearsal is played back over the PA.
In this case, the audio was also somehow slaved to the video. Maybe simply for rehearsal purposes so the band could see how it looked without having to play at the same time.
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sealion wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
It looks like lip syncing to me.
SweetCaroline, same video has been posted on QOL, so you don't need to pretend you can't watch it.[/QUOTE]
All that was discussed on QOL (and here) about 2 weeks ago. You even took part in that discussion on QOL. Some members there explained, what happened. More than once. The case was settled.
So I find it very dishonest and hypocritical, that you go on about lip syncing, while you know better.
This discussion here doesn’t show Queen fans in any good light. Some of you might think, it’s fun to criticize QAL. But you’re forgetting at times, that things like this discussion here make Queen look bad as well.
Don’t get me wrong: this thread itself would have been alright after that citizen show. But the ongoing discussion by so called ‚fans‘, who DO know better by know - but act as if they had no clue - is embarrassing for every true Queen fan. [/QUOTE]
I didn't see this particular video until yesterday. Call me dishonest and hypocritical. I can discuss this here and there, I'm hardly the first person who has ever discussed things from both boards.
Some people can't admit that something wasn't perfect in Q+AL land can they. Something went wrong here, and judging by this video it does look like lip syncing.
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
Icy, no fans of Adam and QAL are saying the performance was perfect or any such nonsense. There were issues and personally, I think it had to do with the sound people. I have also seen them live 3 times and there was no lip synching. You can hear when Adam cracks up laughing or makes a remark or Brian snaps a string. No one says they are perfect all the time. That is in your mind as you are always so busy trying to find something wrong with them and their performances. Other people can hear a blooper or some mistake and still say it was magical and perfect. Other people can overlook a tiny little flaw in a great big show where everything was as wonderful as it could be and still say ,"Oh it was "perfect". Your standards are way too high. That is why you can't enjoy anything because nothing is ever perfect. [/QUOTE]
Erm, your buddy SweetCaroline has said AL and Q+AL is always perfect. She's the one with the high standards, come on say Freddie messed up again if you think it makes all look better. Which is doesn't.
I can't enjoy anything you say, honey there is a lot of music I enjoy. You'd know that if you read my posts for 10 years. You are full of it, it's laughable.
I'm not the one who says everything is perfect, you might want to get your facts straight. The amount of twisting around you try to do, makes you look unhinged.
matt z · Member since
Sounds plausible, Sealion...
applause. Sealion. Urrt Urrt!
only thing for certain is that it upset the audience audbly and was playback overriding live play. Roger had a "what the fuck do I do?? moment" when the drums went out of sync...
Poor guys probably thought they'd taken too much medication/"medication"
and it's true we all know Lambert doesn't need assistance (yet) with playback, his voice is naturally that high and pitchy.. used to only be the short guys (BOSTON) that could pull things like that off naturally. Video sync playback? Wouldn't that be time coded? or simply cued? Maybe it makes sense in case the rhythm is labored on any different night.
Either way, sounded like a mess.. Wonder why they haven't addressed it.
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
Sounds plausible, Sealion...
applause. Sealion. Urrt Urrt!
only thing for certain is that it upset the audience audbly and was playback overriding live play. Roger had a "what the fuck do I do?? moment" when the drums went out of sync...
Poor guys probably thought they'd taken too much medication/"medication"
and it's true we all know Lambert doesn't need assistance (yet) with playback, his voice is naturally that high and pitchy.. used to only be the short guys (BOSTON) that could pull things like that off naturally. Video sync playback? Wouldn't that be time coded? or simply cued? Maybe it makes sense in case the rhythm is labored on any different night.
Either way, sounded like a mess.. Wonder why they haven't addressed it.[/QUOTE]
Could they be embarrassed? AL has been laying low, because he was unwell and had to cancel network TV appearances and an Iheart performance. It's unlike him to be so quiet.
I wish the guys would explain, but my take on it is that they'd rather brush it under the rug.
I'd expect something like this to happen in the early Q+AL days, but this far in, and for a big time event...yikes, it was a mess. Not their best at all.
