The Fairy King
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runner_70
[QUOTE] [b]The Fairy King wrote:[/b]
Another flamewar, courtesy of runner_69[/QUOTE]
just stating the facts. I am sure THe Real Wanker will return playing Mr Know it All again ;) Entertaining sometimes - most times annoying
Another flamewar, courtesy of runner_69[/QUOTE]
just stating the facts. I am sure THe Real Wanker will return playing Mr Know it All again ;) Entertaining sometimes - most times annoying
Vocal harmony
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Fairy King wrote:[/b]
Another flamewar, courtesy of runner_69[/QUOTE]
just stating the facts. I am sure THe Real Wanker will return playing Mr Know it All again ;) Entertaining sometimes - most times annoying[/QUOTE]
He knows a lot more than you on the subject of music and is a million times more articulate at saying what he wants to say. The Real Wanker, that would be you.
Your whole focus is on criticism and abuse. The some truth, which you don't want to accept is that Queen relied on the input of all four, but it was Brian and Roger who brought the sound they created with Smile which made up a lot of the overall sound. The guitar, and drum sound and techniques the basic harmony structures and two thirds of the vocal sound, what Freddie brought to that was his style and ability which happened to fit.
That recording of Green is not good, but if you listen (if you're capable) the song is not very good either. It's clear from that demo that without Taylor and May Freddie probably wouldn't have become the person he is remembered as being.
[QUOTE] [b]The Fairy King wrote:[/b]
Another flamewar, courtesy of runner_69[/QUOTE]
just stating the facts. I am sure THe Real Wanker will return playing Mr Know it All again ;) Entertaining sometimes - most times annoying[/QUOTE]
He knows a lot more than you on the subject of music and is a million times more articulate at saying what he wants to say. The Real Wanker, that would be you.
Your whole focus is on criticism and abuse. The some truth, which you don't want to accept is that Queen relied on the input of all four, but it was Brian and Roger who brought the sound they created with Smile which made up a lot of the overall sound. The guitar, and drum sound and techniques the basic harmony structures and two thirds of the vocal sound, what Freddie brought to that was his style and ability which happened to fit.
That recording of Green is not good, but if you listen (if you're capable) the song is not very good either. It's clear from that demo that without Taylor and May Freddie probably wouldn't have become the person he is remembered as being.
stevelondon20
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Fairy King wrote:[/b]
Another flamewar, courtesy of runner_69[/QUOTE]
just stating the facts. I am sure THe Real Wanker will return playing Mr Know it All again ;) Entertaining sometimes - most times annoying[/QUOTE]
He knows a lot more than you on the subject of music and is a million times more articulate at saying what he wants to say. The Real Wanker, that would be you.
Your whole focus is on criticism and abuse. The some truth, which you don't want to accept is that Queen relied on the input of all four, but it was Brian and Roger who brought the sound they created with Smile which made up a lot of the overall sound. The guitar, and drum sound and techniques the basic harmony structures and two thirds of the vocal sound, what Freddie brought to that was his style and ability which happened to fit.
That recording of Green is not good, but if you listen (if you're capable) the song is not very good either. It's clear from that demo that without Taylor and May Freddie probably wouldn't have become the person he is remembered as being.[/QUOTE]
100% agree.
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Fairy King wrote:[/b]
Another flamewar, courtesy of runner_69[/QUOTE]
just stating the facts. I am sure THe Real Wanker will return playing Mr Know it All again ;) Entertaining sometimes - most times annoying[/QUOTE]
He knows a lot more than you on the subject of music and is a million times more articulate at saying what he wants to say. The Real Wanker, that would be you.
Your whole focus is on criticism and abuse. The some truth, which you don't want to accept is that Queen relied on the input of all four, but it was Brian and Roger who brought the sound they created with Smile which made up a lot of the overall sound. The guitar, and drum sound and techniques the basic harmony structures and two thirds of the vocal sound, what Freddie brought to that was his style and ability which happened to fit.
That recording of Green is not good, but if you listen (if you're capable) the song is not very good either. It's clear from that demo that without Taylor and May Freddie probably wouldn't have become the person he is remembered as being.[/QUOTE]
100% agree.
dudeofqueen
Officer Clawhauser, re:
>And without Brian May, Freddie Mercury's music would've sounded like this:
I'll raise you with Sleepy Blues Song and, in fact, the entire "Bell Boy Tape"; that from a man steeped in recorded music history at that point. "Roobish; poor technique." as a certain opening batsman of legend would put it.
Without Mercury, May and or Taylor would not have found anyone else with the drive and / or charisma to push a band through at the backend of the glam explosion.
>Brian May is one of the most respected musicians in the business not because of Freddie Mercury, but because of his contributions to the evolution of the electric guitar, as well as his sense of composition and arrangement.
Don't doubt that for a single minute and, in fact, if you bothered to go back and read the original post, it'd be great to see a tiny little bit of that in action in order to get Brian back to the feelings of pride in himsef at having created something and to get that self-worth as opposed to - what we've got now; a miserable chp wallowing in self-pity.
>you're not going to convince a single musically literate person that Brian May had no influence on Queen's success
Again, you're making things up - we see what you're doing. Brush the sprinkles off your jersey, there's a good boy and try to say no to that extra doughnut. You'll benefit in the end.
>You're writing off astronomy
Nope - not writing it off oh king of great assumptions. Merely pointing out that, reporting on existing facts and objects, is NOT creative. In exactly the same way that copying someone elses music - as Zeppelin did - is not creative either.
>And without Brian May, Freddie Mercury's music would've sounded like this:
I'll raise you with Sleepy Blues Song and, in fact, the entire "Bell Boy Tape"; that from a man steeped in recorded music history at that point. "Roobish; poor technique." as a certain opening batsman of legend would put it.
Without Mercury, May and or Taylor would not have found anyone else with the drive and / or charisma to push a band through at the backend of the glam explosion.
>Brian May is one of the most respected musicians in the business not because of Freddie Mercury, but because of his contributions to the evolution of the electric guitar, as well as his sense of composition and arrangement.
Don't doubt that for a single minute and, in fact, if you bothered to go back and read the original post, it'd be great to see a tiny little bit of that in action in order to get Brian back to the feelings of pride in himsef at having created something and to get that self-worth as opposed to - what we've got now; a miserable chp wallowing in self-pity.
>you're not going to convince a single musically literate person that Brian May had no influence on Queen's success
Again, you're making things up - we see what you're doing. Brush the sprinkles off your jersey, there's a good boy and try to say no to that extra doughnut. You'll benefit in the end.
>You're writing off astronomy
Nope - not writing it off oh king of great assumptions. Merely pointing out that, reporting on existing facts and objects, is NOT creative. In exactly the same way that copying someone elses music - as Zeppelin did - is not creative either.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Fairy King wrote:[/b]
Another flamewar, courtesy of runner_69[/QUOTE]
just stating the facts. [/QUOTE]
well, you're not, really.
YOUR facts aren't facts for everyone else. The band was great because of the sum of the parts - not because of one person.
You only have to look at how bad parts of Mr Bad Guy were - not BM, RT or JD influencing the recordings = no quality control.
[QUOTE] [b]The Fairy King wrote:[/b]
Another flamewar, courtesy of runner_69[/QUOTE]
just stating the facts. [/QUOTE]
well, you're not, really.
YOUR facts aren't facts for everyone else. The band was great because of the sum of the parts - not because of one person.
You only have to look at how bad parts of Mr Bad Guy were - not BM, RT or JD influencing the recordings = no quality control.
runner_70
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Fairy King wrote:[/b]
Another flamewar, courtesy of runner_69[/QUOTE]
just stating the facts. [/QUOTE]
well, you're not, really.
YOUR facts aren't facts for everyone else. The band was great because of the sum of the parts - not because of one person.
You only have to look at how bad parts of Mr Bad Guy were - not BM, RT or JD influencing the recordings = no quality control.
[/QUOTE]
Sorry to inform you but MBG had all three of them on it. Just ignore the Maylor-rewrite of Queen history and you will be enlightened. Mr. Bad Guy was a nice lil 80's pop album. Exactly the way Freddie wanted it to sound. Why should it have sounded like Queen?
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Fairy King wrote:[/b]
Another flamewar, courtesy of runner_69[/QUOTE]
just stating the facts. [/QUOTE]
well, you're not, really.
YOUR facts aren't facts for everyone else. The band was great because of the sum of the parts - not because of one person.
You only have to look at how bad parts of Mr Bad Guy were - not BM, RT or JD influencing the recordings = no quality control.
[/QUOTE]
Sorry to inform you but MBG had all three of them on it. Just ignore the Maylor-rewrite of Queen history and you will be enlightened. Mr. Bad Guy was a nice lil 80's pop album. Exactly the way Freddie wanted it to sound. Why should it have sounded like Queen?
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]ruiner_70 wrote:[/b]just stating the facts.[/QUOTE]
[b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]well, you're not, really.
YOUR facts aren't facts for everyone else. The band was great because of the sum of the parts - not because of one person.
You only have to look at how bad parts of Mr Bad Guy were - not BM, RT or JD influencing the recordings = no quality control.
[QUOTE] [b]ruiner_70 wrote:[/b]Sorry to inform you but MBG had all three of them on it. Just ignore the Maylor-rewrite of Queen history and you will be enlightened. Mr. Bad Guy was a nice lil 80's pop album. Exactly the way Freddie wanted it to sound. Why should it have sounded like Queen?[/QUOTE]
...and you wonder why I call you Gerry. Your inability to read is another thing "the both of you" share. Tell you what, you prove you can read - and understand what you're reading, and reply in an articulate manner, and I promise I'll stop calling you Gerry.
Until then: yet again Gerry, you've not read what i typed. I said they weren't influencing the recordings - they were effectively hired hands playing parts in Freddie's project.
There is a huge difference between "being on it" (your words) and "influencing" (my word).
Not ONE single song on MBG ended up as any one of the others desired, because it was not their album to shape - they were all Freddie's projects and ALL ended up exactly as he wished.
Look at the MBG tracks that ended up on MIH - very, very different songs.
As I said - parts of MBG are terrible - because the "sum of the parts" were not arguing/discussing/honing it. Freddie's LP - Freddie's decisions - some of them poor ones.
[b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]well, you're not, really.
YOUR facts aren't facts for everyone else. The band was great because of the sum of the parts - not because of one person.
You only have to look at how bad parts of Mr Bad Guy were - not BM, RT or JD influencing the recordings = no quality control.
[QUOTE] [b]ruiner_70 wrote:[/b]Sorry to inform you but MBG had all three of them on it. Just ignore the Maylor-rewrite of Queen history and you will be enlightened. Mr. Bad Guy was a nice lil 80's pop album. Exactly the way Freddie wanted it to sound. Why should it have sounded like Queen?[/QUOTE]
...and you wonder why I call you Gerry. Your inability to read is another thing "the both of you" share. Tell you what, you prove you can read - and understand what you're reading, and reply in an articulate manner, and I promise I'll stop calling you Gerry.
Until then: yet again Gerry, you've not read what i typed. I said they weren't influencing the recordings - they were effectively hired hands playing parts in Freddie's project.
There is a huge difference between "being on it" (your words) and "influencing" (my word).
Not ONE single song on MBG ended up as any one of the others desired, because it was not their album to shape - they were all Freddie's projects and ALL ended up exactly as he wished.
Look at the MBG tracks that ended up on MIH - very, very different songs.
As I said - parts of MBG are terrible - because the "sum of the parts" were not arguing/discussing/honing it. Freddie's LP - Freddie's decisions - some of them poor ones.
Holly2003
"... reporting on existing facts and objects, is NOT creative. In exactly the same way that copying someone elses music - as Zeppelin did - is not creative either."
That's a bit like saying all literature is uncreative because the words already existed before the author used them. Or the letters were already available in the dictionary.
That's a bit like saying all literature is uncreative because the words already existed before the author used them. Or the letters were already available in the dictionary.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]"... reporting on existing facts and objects, is NOT creative. In exactly the same way that copying someone elses music - as Zeppelin did - is not creative either."
That's a bit like saying all literature is uncreative because the words already existed before the author used them. Or the letters were already available in the dictionary.[/QUOTE]
yep, every writer that ever existed has copied Chaucer by default. dudeofqueen has no idea just how banal his statements are.
That's a bit like saying all literature is uncreative because the words already existed before the author used them. Or the letters were already available in the dictionary.[/QUOTE]
yep, every writer that ever existed has copied Chaucer by default. dudeofqueen has no idea just how banal his statements are.
runner_70
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]ruiner_70 wrote:[/b]just stating the facts.[/QUOTE]
[b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]well, you're not, really.
YOUR facts aren't facts for everyone else. The band was great because of the sum of the parts - not because of one person.
You only have to look at how bad parts of Mr Bad Guy were - not BM, RT or JD influencing the recordings = no quality control.
[QUOTE] [b]ruiner_70 wrote:[/b]Sorry to inform you but MBG had all three of them on it. Just ignore the Maylor-rewrite of Queen history and you will be enlightened. Mr. Bad Guy was a nice lil 80's pop album. Exactly the way Freddie wanted it to sound. Why should it have sounded like Queen?[/QUOTE]
...and you wonder why I call you Gerry. Your inability to read is another thing "the both of you" share. Tell you what, you prove you can read - and understand what you're reading, and reply in an articulate manner, and I promise I'll stop calling you Gerry.
Until then: yet again Gerry, you've not read what i typed. I said they weren't influencing the recordings - they were effectively hired hands playing parts in Freddie's project.
There is a huge difference between "being on it" (your words) and "influencing" (my word).
Not ONE single song on MBG ended up as any one of the others desired, because it was not their album to shape - they were all Freddie's projects and ALL ended up exactly as he wished.
Look at the MBG tracks that ended up on MIH - very, very different songs.
As I said - parts of MBG are terrible - because the "sum of the parts" were not arguing/discussing/honing it. Freddie's LP - Freddie's decisions - some of them poor ones.
[/QUOTE]
You are still utterly clueless so I assume you are that dedop guy that got banned after he went bezerk on here.
What is the point in a solo album if it sounds like your main band? Nada- and never the intention of Freddie. If you had a brain go and listen to the interviews where he said he was happy that he could use an orchestra because "Brian recreated everything on his fucking guitar" . I do not hear too much terrible parts on Mr Bad Guy. You obviously do and you surely think it was the reason for a "breakup" as all clueless BR lovers and newbies think nowadays. Sad side effect of the movie.
Made In Heaven is far better on MBG than on MIH the Queen album. And so is IWBTLY. Meant to be a disco song not meant to be a Queen rocker. Just because May is fiddling on it does not make it better. Same goes for DSMN - a song Brian hated because it has no guitars on it except the solo. After he lerned that it is one of Queen's most popular songs (too bad it was from Freddie) he needed to do his godawful "Long lost guitar" versions of it to feed his ego. And it sounded dreadful. Talking about "bad decisions"........
So there you go - another lesson for you in Queen history. Hope you learned something
[QUOTE] [b]ruiner_70 wrote:[/b]just stating the facts.[/QUOTE]
[b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]well, you're not, really.
YOUR facts aren't facts for everyone else. The band was great because of the sum of the parts - not because of one person.
You only have to look at how bad parts of Mr Bad Guy were - not BM, RT or JD influencing the recordings = no quality control.
[QUOTE] [b]ruiner_70 wrote:[/b]Sorry to inform you but MBG had all three of them on it. Just ignore the Maylor-rewrite of Queen history and you will be enlightened. Mr. Bad Guy was a nice lil 80's pop album. Exactly the way Freddie wanted it to sound. Why should it have sounded like Queen?[/QUOTE]
...and you wonder why I call you Gerry. Your inability to read is another thing "the both of you" share. Tell you what, you prove you can read - and understand what you're reading, and reply in an articulate manner, and I promise I'll stop calling you Gerry.
Until then: yet again Gerry, you've not read what i typed. I said they weren't influencing the recordings - they were effectively hired hands playing parts in Freddie's project.
There is a huge difference between "being on it" (your words) and "influencing" (my word).
Not ONE single song on MBG ended up as any one of the others desired, because it was not their album to shape - they were all Freddie's projects and ALL ended up exactly as he wished.
Look at the MBG tracks that ended up on MIH - very, very different songs.
As I said - parts of MBG are terrible - because the "sum of the parts" were not arguing/discussing/honing it. Freddie's LP - Freddie's decisions - some of them poor ones.
[/QUOTE]
You are still utterly clueless so I assume you are that dedop guy that got banned after he went bezerk on here.
What is the point in a solo album if it sounds like your main band? Nada- and never the intention of Freddie. If you had a brain go and listen to the interviews where he said he was happy that he could use an orchestra because "Brian recreated everything on his fucking guitar" . I do not hear too much terrible parts on Mr Bad Guy. You obviously do and you surely think it was the reason for a "breakup" as all clueless BR lovers and newbies think nowadays. Sad side effect of the movie.
Made In Heaven is far better on MBG than on MIH the Queen album. And so is IWBTLY. Meant to be a disco song not meant to be a Queen rocker. Just because May is fiddling on it does not make it better. Same goes for DSMN - a song Brian hated because it has no guitars on it except the solo. After he lerned that it is one of Queen's most popular songs (too bad it was from Freddie) he needed to do his godawful "Long lost guitar" versions of it to feed his ego. And it sounded dreadful. Talking about "bad decisions"........
So there you go - another lesson for you in Queen history. Hope you learned something
runner_70
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]"... reporting on existing facts and objects, is NOT creative. In exactly the same way that copying someone elses music - as Zeppelin did - is not creative either."
That's a bit like saying all literature is uncreative because the words already existed before the author used them. Or the letters were already available in the dictionary.[/QUOTE]
yep, every writer that ever existed has copied Chaucer by default. ruiner_70 has no idea just how banal his statements are.
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I did not even write that you idiot
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]"... reporting on existing facts and objects, is NOT creative. In exactly the same way that copying someone elses music - as Zeppelin did - is not creative either."
That's a bit like saying all literature is uncreative because the words already existed before the author used them. Or the letters were already available in the dictionary.[/QUOTE]
yep, every writer that ever existed has copied Chaucer by default. ruiner_70 has no idea just how banal his statements are.
[/QUOTE]
I did not even write that you idiot
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]"... reporting on existing facts and objects, is NOT creative. In exactly the same way that copying someone elses music - as Zeppelin did - is not creative either."
That's a bit like saying all literature is uncreative because the words already existed before the author used them. Or the letters were already available in the dictionary.[/QUOTE]
yep, every writer that ever existed has copied Chaucer by default. dudeofqueen has no idea just how banal his statements are.
[/QUOTE]
I did not even write that you idiot
[/QUOTE]
duly noted - and post amended.
unlike yourself, I'm happy to address when I'm wrong.
you've been wrong here, there and everywhere and yet you still fail to acknowledge this.
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]"... reporting on existing facts and objects, is NOT creative. In exactly the same way that copying someone elses music - as Zeppelin did - is not creative either."
That's a bit like saying all literature is uncreative because the words already existed before the author used them. Or the letters were already available in the dictionary.[/QUOTE]
yep, every writer that ever existed has copied Chaucer by default. dudeofqueen has no idea just how banal his statements are.
[/QUOTE]
I did not even write that you idiot
[/QUOTE]
duly noted - and post amended.
unlike yourself, I'm happy to address when I'm wrong.
you've been wrong here, there and everywhere and yet you still fail to acknowledge this.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]dudeofqueen wrote:[/b]
>You're writing off astronomy
Nope - not writing it off oh king of great assumptions. Merely pointing out that, reporting on existing facts and objects, is NOT creative.[/QUOTE]
And what's your point? There is need for creativity and a need for observing objective reality for the betterment of humanity. One is not more important than the other.
In fact, most sane people would be impressed that people like Brian May have been able to do well at both, as very few have managed to do so. But you're a special breed of human who doesn't seem to think so.
>You're writing off astronomy
Nope - not writing it off oh king of great assumptions. Merely pointing out that, reporting on existing facts and objects, is NOT creative.[/QUOTE]
And what's your point? There is need for creativity and a need for observing objective reality for the betterment of humanity. One is not more important than the other.
In fact, most sane people would be impressed that people like Brian May have been able to do well at both, as very few have managed to do so. But you're a special breed of human who doesn't seem to think so.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
"... reporting on existing facts and objects, is NOT creative. In exactly the same way that copying someone elses music - as Zeppelin did - is not creative either."
That's a bit like saying all literature is uncreative because the words already existed before the author used them. Or the letters were already available in the dictionary.[/QUOTE]
And then we get into epistemology.
And nihilism.
This guy just isn't as bright as he thinks he is. He's just an angry dude on the internet, like so many who came before him and will follow.
"... reporting on existing facts and objects, is NOT creative. In exactly the same way that copying someone elses music - as Zeppelin did - is not creative either."
That's a bit like saying all literature is uncreative because the words already existed before the author used them. Or the letters were already available in the dictionary.[/QUOTE]
And then we get into epistemology.
And nihilism.
This guy just isn't as bright as he thinks he is. He's just an angry dude on the internet, like so many who came before him and will follow.