I don't like Q+AL but I don't really get involved the discussions/rows about it, but that doesn't mean people who don't like it are not allowed to.
so back off, and allow free speech[/QUOTE]
"Freedom of speech" does not mean "freedom to be an asshole and ruin almost every thread on a forum, bordering on hate speech."
There has to be a fine line in there somewhere. There's a reason why virtually every other forum is moderated to some degree - for civility's sake. Otherwise it will attract the worst that humanity has to offer, and it ends up being like this place.
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yes. exactly. but my point is NOT about tone or language used - or even intent.
my only point is that where a forum is created say for "Deep Purple - Post 1993", then people/fans still have a right to join in and say they don't like it. It's just not practical to expect to create a forum "sub" where only positives are allowed...in much the same way that we have BOTH criticised Freddie's lifestyle. This may be heresy to some, but it's a valid point nonetheless.
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In the German forum there is a policy that there are only positive QAL postings allowed. The admin there posted me in private and warned me if I ever say sth negative about QAL he would boot me. He did in the end. What a loser
snifflese · Member since
Certainly you can say you don't care for something, but it is the obnoxious way that Runner makes his statements. They are often filthy and always degrading to the other poster. There is no place for that in any forum. Of course, people disagree and they can do so civilly, a concept that he doesn't understand. Did you see his comment above yours? I don't even want to write that down. You CANNOT justify that behavior.
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
I don't like Q+AL but I don't really get involved the discussions/rows about it, but that doesn't mean people who don't like it are not allowed to.
so back off, and allow free speech[/QUOTE]
"Freedom of speech" does not mean "freedom to be an asshole and ruin almost every thread on a forum, bordering on hate speech."
There has to be a fine line in there somewhere. There's a reason why virtually every other forum is moderated to some degree - for civility's sake. Otherwise it will attract the worst that humanity has to offer, and it ends up being like this place.
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yes. exactly. but my point is NOT about tone or language used - or even intent.
my only point is that where a forum is created say for "Deep Purple - Post 1993", then people/fans still have a right to join in and say they don't like it. It's just not practical to expect to create a forum "sub" where only positives are allowed...in much the same way that we have BOTH criticised Freddie's lifestyle. This may be heresy to some, but it's a valid point nonetheless.
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If people like SweetCaroline and snifflese only want glowing things posted Adamtopia is the place to go. What do some people expect here? To fawn over everything AL does, that's what it seems like, if a person doesn't fawn over AL, there's labels like negative, haters, not real Queen fans. Seriously, SweetCaroline has conspiracies about Queen fans too. She said Queen fans wanted Brian Roger and John to die with Freddie even. Sorry, that's sick, far sicker than using c**t.
snifflese · Member since
Icy, there is a huge difference between saying you don't like something and the way in which Runner says his ugly things. I don't care if it is glowing or not, it is the filthy, nasty way he writes. Look at the post above Benski, it has these letters, F F t F o and never return S S S. There is no place for that here and he doesn't need to say those things to another poster. Quit bringing Caroline into this. I am not talking about her and don't wish to because we will just argue. I am talking about Runner who has no place in any forum as he is a horrible human being. By the say, when we say positive things about Adam and QAL, it isn't fawning. True statements that the majority of concert goers are stating, is not fawning.
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
Icy, there is a huge difference between saying you don't like something and the way in which Runner says his ugly things. I don't care if it is glowing or not, it is the filthy, nasty way he writes. Look at the post above Benski, it has these letters, F F t F o and never return S S S. There is no place for that here and he doesn't need to say those things to another poster. Quit bringing Caroline into this. I am not talking about her and don't wish to because we will just argue. I am talking about Runner who has no place in any forum as he is a horrible human being. By the say, when we say positive things about Adam and QAL, it isn't fawning. True statements that the majority of concert goers are stating, is not fawning. [/QUOTE]
Funny..or rather very telling you have no problem with what SweetCaroline posts, you actually defend her what she says about me. So please don't come at me bleating about Runner's posts. That's hypocrisy you are showing here.
snifflese · Member since
Her posts are not filthy or abrasive to people, only to you and I have explained why, but don't want to go there. The Trump and German references are because she thinks you always dictate everything and want it your way just like they do. I have no opinion on that, but I am sure that is her reasoning. You are always telling her not to do something or spamming and dictating what she may and may not post, hence the reference. To me that ts mild compared to runner's comments. YMMV. If you could quit bringing that up every other page it might also be helpful. You are like an elephant repeating this over and over. Everybody here already knows that. What is the point to say it for the 1000th time?
snifflese · Member since
Her posts are not filthy or abrasive to people, only to you and I have explained why, but don't want to go there. The Trump and German references are because she thinks you always dictate everything and want it your way just like they do. I have no opinion on that, but I am sure that is her reasoning. You are always telling her not to do something or spamming and dictating what she may and may not post, hence the reference. To me that ts mild compared to runner's comments. YMMV. If you could quit bringing that up every other page it might also be helpful. You are like an elephant repeating this over and over. Everybody here already knows that. What is the point to say it for the 1000th time?
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
Her posts are not filthy or abrasive to people, only to you and I have explained why, but don't want to go there. The Trump and German references are because she thinks you always dictate everything and want it your way just like they do. I have no opinion on that, but I am sure that is her reasoning. You are always telling her not to do something or spamming and dictating what she may and may not post, hence the reference. To me that ts mild compared to runner's comments. YMMV. If you could quit bringing that up every other page it might also be helpful. You are like an elephant repeating this over and over. Everybody here already knows that. What is the point to say it for the 1000th time?[/QUOTE]
You blindly defend her no matter what. And you come to me complaining about Runner, as if I can stop his views. That's hypocrisy right there. You think I deserve what she posts about me as oh its not bad, surprised she doesn't say worse. That's the way you excuse what she does, you always have, and going by things, I think you always will defend SweetCaroline. Or try to defend her, all you do is make her look helpless. Does she get you to post for her something, or do you just butt in trying to make me look awful?
I know you and I can get along at least some of the time, but your thing here is always to defend things that SweetCaroline does, not the once have ever you had anything to say other than defending her what she says about me.
You have repeated yourself as well, so has SweetCaroline, have you not noticed that, or is that more hypocrisy from you?
runner_70 · Member since
Sniff is the worst QZ member ever. No Queen fan a sad Glambert who cant do no wrong passive aggressive and shit stirring who cannot accept any criticism. She deserves everything she gets here.
Ugliest Thing is that she wants longtime Queenfans who hate her idol to leave the board. Pathetic.
Everytime I own her bringing up her contradictions in her arguments she is twisting and turning her words and is trying to bully me and bring other users up against me.
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
Sniff is the worst QZ member ever. No Queen fan a sad Glambert who cant do no wrong passive aggressive and shit stirring who cannot Accept any criticism. She deserves the everything she gets here.
Ugliest Thing is that she want longtime Queenfans who hate her idol to leave the board. Pathetic.
Everytime I own her bringing up her contradictions in her arguments she is twisting and turning her words and is trying to bully me and bring other users up against me.[/QUOTE]
It's ironic she says that when she hasn't posted outside of this subforum once.
runner_70 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
Sniff is the worst QZ member ever. No Queen fan a sad Glambert who cant do no wrong passive aggressive and shit stirring who cannot Accept any criticism. She deserves the everything she gets here.
Ugliest Thing is that she want longtime Queenfans who hate her idol to leave the board. Pathetic.
Everytime I own her bringing up her contradictions in her arguments she is twisting and turning her words and is trying to bully me and bring other users up against me.[/QUOTE]
It's ironic she says that when she hasn't posted outside of this subforum once.
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Because she has no clue about Queen. I guess she owns Greatest Hits I (and maybe II).
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]Certainly you can say you don't care for something...[/QUOTE]
And FYI I did not try to justify anything. My point was clear. People trying to shutdown negative views on Q+AL are muddying the waters. Objection to language and tone and objection to dissenters are two very distinct views - and should remain so.
[QUOTE] [b]Gen Z Music Fan wrote:[/b][color=red]I'm not going to name anyone but if people kept their personal opinions of Q+AL to themselves or started a new forum to talk about their personal negative opinions then there would've no insults in the first place. [/color][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]sub-forum title is: [color=blue]Queen + Adam Lambert Discuss the Queen + Adam Lambert collaboration here[/color]
it does NOT doesn't say
[color=red]Queen + Adam Lambert - Discuss the Positives Only of Queen + Adam Lambert collaboration here[/color]
does it? I don't like Q+AL but I don't really get involved the discussions/rows about it, but that doesn't mean people who don't like it are not allowed to. so back off, and allow free speech...or go and create your own forum - see how successful you are.
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If this were about language and tone, that'd be different, but Gen Z is attacking the right to post a negative in the Q+AL sub, because well, everything in this "blue sky fairy-tale land", can't be tarnished by counter opinion, can it? Gen Z Music wording was very clearly trying to ban Q+AL gainsayers' opinions in the Q+AL forum, full stop.
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]Certainly you can say you don't care for something...[/QUOTE]
And FYI I did not try to justify anything. My point was clear. People trying to shutdown negative views on Q+AL are muddying the waters. Objection to language and tone and objection to dissenters are two very distinct views - and should remain so.
[QUOTE] [b]Gen Z Music Fan wrote:[/b][color=red]I'm not going to name anyone but if people kept their personal opinions of Q+AL to themselves or started a new forum to talk about their personal negative opinions then there would've no insults in the first place. [/color][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]sub-forum title is: [color=blue]Queen + Adam Lambert Discuss the Queen + Adam Lambert collaboration here[/color]
it does NOT doesn't say
[color=red]Queen + Adam Lambert - Discuss the Positives Only of Queen + Adam Lambert collaboration here[/color]
does it? I don't like Q+AL but I don't really get involved the discussions/rows about it, but that doesn't mean people who don't like it are not allowed to. so back off, and allow free speech...or go and create your own forum - see how successful you are.
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If this were about language and tone, that'd be different, but Gen Z is attacking the right to post a negative in the Q+AL sub, because well, everything in this "blue sky fairy-tale land", can't be tarnished by counter opinion, can it? Gen Z Music wording was very clearly trying to ban Q+AL gainsayers' opinions in the Q+AL forum, full stop. [/QUOTE]
SweetCaroline and snifflese live in lala land when it comes to AL. It truly seems they want glowing things only to be said about Lambert. Especially SweetCaroline. I've seen her reactions when she reads a post she doesn't, ike, too quick to label people as haters, negative, not real Queen fans and that she felt Queen fans wanted Brian, Roger and John to die with Freddie...it's fucked up to be blunt. She thinks so little of Queen fans but comes to Queen boards to hype up and promote AL and Q+AL. I find her gall appalling to be honest.
Snifflese also wants bans to happen here. She came here ranting about wanting me banned because SweetCaroline was banned from QOL. So she wanted me banned from both Queen boards. First post she ever made here a couple of years ago.
Nathan H · Member since
I do like opinions because I do see some of the negative things about Q+AL but I just think constantly saying them is causing some of the AL fans to say insults to Queen fans. I'm just trying to make peace if you guys we're stop now or at least do it less often then it would be much a nicer place.
We've heard all of your points several times now it's not made any diffences with the AL fans or even the band themselves. I just don't see the point of insulting people to put the point across. I'm just trying to make this place a lot better.
Iron Butterfly · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Gen Z Music Fan wrote:[/b]
I do like opinions because I do see some of the negative things about Q+AL but I just think constantly saying them is causing some of the AL fans to say insults to Queen fans. I'm just trying to make peace if you guys we're stop now or at least do it less often then it would be much a nicer place.
We've heard all of your points several times now it's not made any diffences with the AL fans or even the band themselves. I just don't see the point of insulting people to put the point across. I'm just trying to make this place a lot better.[/QUOTE]
Let's get this straight. No one deserves it to be said they should die which has been said about SweetCaroline more than once, by the way that wasn't me or runner who said that. Since Runner and I seem to be the Glamberts enemy.
On the other hand, or one deserves to be said that they are like Hitler and the Gestapo which SweetCaroline has said about me. Guess what, she isn't sorry for it. If she was, that would make a huge difference. That's just one extreme thing SweetCaroline has said about me. The worst is when she had a go about my mental health as my father was dying, she said knowing full well my parents were ill, and one was dying, but she said my parents were healthier than me. I know she's not the least bit sorry for that, because she posted even more recently outright she has no empathy for me,I'm a hateful bitch, I'm heartless, selfish, and more. She isn't sorry or would ever take it back, or admit she went too far. Again, it would make a huge difference if she did. She has no clue or no care about the heartache she caused me when my father was dying. I spent every second I could with my father, I was literally with him when he died. She knew he was dying, thats the thing. A stupid AL video and song could help me with my grief she said after he passed away. What the actual fuck is wrong with SweetCaroline to have done all that?? It's mind boggling.
I've seen SweetCaroline's true colors, it can get pretty ugly. I will never think she is as innocent as she wants people to believe here. BrENsKi hasn't posted for years until recently, and he can see right through SweetCaroline bullshit. I just hope brENsKi never faces SweetCaroline hate.
No need of any that shit from anyone to anyone. But that's SweetCaroline for you when she throws a tantrum.
You are looking at it from one side only, I'm afraid. And its obvious what side you are on. I'm not the monster that someone thinks and says I am.
