Queen were rich and lazy in the 80s

Negative Creep wrote:

People go on about this Gerry character. Whilst I don't know his/her history, I do know from looking with my own eyes that this forum was dragged down over a prolonged period of time by Brenski and The Real Wizard repeatedly arguing with them. Even with their own forum, they can't stop themselves coming back to argue.

That's my point...no disrespect to anyone, but Gerry/Martin are not the only problem on this site. Anyone with eyes could see this. Good post.

[color=blue] mike hunt wrote:Hateful towards Freddie for no reason Just because someone said they don't like Queen + Lambert...so It's ok too bash Mercury over and over, but If you dislike what May and Talyor have done post 1991 you get bashed by the same 4 people.[/color]

by "the same 4 people" - you are clearly including me. time you got your facts straight. i do not bash Mercury. i love his music, his writing (until 1978) and i am fair and consistent about what i do/don't like. i do not bash people who criticise Queen+. my stance on Queen+ (which I have clarified many many times) is that: while i do not like any of it, i respect Roger/Brian's right to do as they choose with their band. it'd be nice if you would correct your statement on this.

[color=blue] Negative Creep wrote:Even with their own forum, they can't stop themselves coming back to argue.[/color]

are you a member of more than one online forum? of course you are. there's no rule that says if you create your own forum you should cease your membership elsewhere. what a peculiar statement. people like RW, VH, TQ and myself have actually been bothered enough to try and clean up this place. the forum owner doesn't tend to intervene often, but ask yourself this. if WE were the guilty parties why have we not been banned? - and why has Gerry been banned 12 times?challenging wrong-doing is the right thing to do. those who turn a blind eye to Gerry (and his cohorts) are endorsing/enabling his racist, homophobic, trans-phobic violent bigotry - and should be ashamed.

[color=blue] Negative Creep wrote:People go on about this Gerry character. Whilst I don't know his/her history, I do know from looking with my own eyes that this forum was dragged down over a prolonged period of time by Brenski and The Real Wizard repeatedly arguing with them.[/color]

you don't know his history? go and check it out before making sweeping statements. name and shame all you like. but get your facts right. from early 2016, to Nov 2019 i wasn't here. i had a look from time to time, but didn't post - and the same Gerry creature was doing the dragging.

that same person will continue to do so if anyone disagrees with his utter rubbish. you argument appears to be "ignore him, he'll go away" - show me where that's ever worked. i've not replied to Gerry since the top of page 2. He's posted 6 more times - naming me in 4 of those. he named me on facebook (and i don't even have a facebook acct) - and threatened violence toward me - which he's done on QZ a number of times.
who is trolling who, who's setting out to argue?

if you take nothing from this, ask yourself two questions:
1. who is the only person to be banned from Qzone 12 times?
2. what are his motives for attempting to join our forum - when he claims to hate us so much?

The only rubbish creature on here is Brenski spouting his shit and venom at all who do not agree with is arrogant comments and for the record i am not racist or homophobc that was just invented by Brenski
and Real Wizard because i hate Adam Lambert making Queen shit.
I got banned because Brenski tells lies to the moderator on here and bullies to make himself look good.
We all know Brenski is the idiot after all a proper Queen fans would not throw bottles at his idols at a concert.
I am a nice person but Brenski paints me out to be some kind of monster well i am not.
Negative Creep was correct why do Brenski and Real Wizard keep coming back on here for when they have there own shit site now?
To make trouble that's what for, they love been fascist's telling people what to do and they think they are right all the time and no one is allowed there own personal opinions on here other wise you get banned,.

mike hunt wrote:

I go way back...let's Just say If someone comes on this site and praises Mercury he or she Is considered a hero worshiper, and 3 or 4 people go after that person. . . . . .
. . . . . . I already said they were Inconsistent In the 80's. Peak years being 73 to 77.

First point first. If someone makes indefensible claims about Freddie Mercury, then I like other here will argue. Comments like everything he wrote was brilliant, that he was responsible for the entire Queen sound, that he never gave a sub standard performance. All have been claimed by more than one person. Arguing that none of these comments are true doesn't make someone a Freddie Mercury hater.

Point two. Your views are exactly what this thread is about, and give or take a year or two are the same as mine.

Why have you singled people out as being hypocritical for having either of these views.

Benross wrote:


I got banned because Brenski tells lies to the moderator on here and bullies to make himself look good.

I am a nice person but Brenski paints me out to be some kind of monster well i am not. . . . . .

You got band because when you are complained about all the moderator has to do is read what you've posted. The lies are fabricated by you. You post abusive comments then when you receive a reply, in context, you claim to be innocent.

You are anything but a nice person, your history of abusive and threatening posts prove that over and over again.

@Vocal Harmony If i recall quite rightly you have also made nasty abusive remarks as well so get down off your high horse.
I admit i have been nasty but only to those who have been abusive to me like you and Brenski.
Try been nice and you may get a nice reply back.

Saying a composer peaked at some point is not the same as hating them. It applies to Frederick the same way it would to anyone else.

Sebastian wrote:

Saying a composer peaked at some point is not the same as hating them. It applies to Frederick the same way it would to anyone else.

What about saying that the composer is "lazy-assed"?

Saint Jiub wrote:

Sebastian wrote:

Saying a composer peaked at some point is not the same as hating them. It applies to Frederick the same way it would to anyone else.

What about saying that the composer is "lazy-assed"?

Doesn't equate hating in any way. I think some of Ravel's works are pretty lazy-assed. That doesn't stop me from loving Ravel as a composer.

thomasquinn 32989 wrote:

Saint Jiub wrote:

Sebastian wrote:

Saying a composer peaked at some point is not the same as hating them. It applies to Frederick the same way it would to anyone else.

What about saying that the composer is "lazy-assed"?

Doesn't equate hating in any way. I think some of Ravel's works are pretty lazy-assed. That doesn't stop me from loving Ravel as a composer.

Using the term lazy-assed does not equate to hate, but it is insulting and hardly qualifies as constructive criticism.

Negative Creep wrote:

People go on about this Gerry character. Whilst I don't know his/her history, I do know from looking with my own eyes that this forum was dragged down over a prolonged period of time by Brenski and The Real Wizard repeatedly arguing with them.

If you admittedly don't know enough about the trolls who have been polluting this place for years, why are you so quick to defend them?

I wouldn't call it "arguing" - I would call it failed attempts at rational dialogue, which revealed the characters in question as trolls, as per their penchant for response-provoking bile in lieu of civil discourse.

And it continues into this thread where one of them continues to insist they haven't been banned 12 times for racist, sexist, and homophobic comments even though that history is well documented.

You're clearly in the minority with your assessment of the situation. Instead of protesting against those calling the trolls to task, 90 something percent of this website's users simply migrated to the new forum which has carried on now for months without incident (and is already far better than this place ever has been in 20 years). One can only wonder why you're more vocal against those who tried to help and eventually did something about it. I guess your user name speaks for itself.

this thread is about whether Queen became rich and lazy in the 80s - in particular regard to songwriting:

[color=blue] dudley-fufkin 7834 wrote: Anyone notice how much effort was put into early queen albums, then its as if they had their success and fortune after day at the races and didn't t bother much with songs aftee that. In the 80s freddie was too busy doing coke and shagging to spend any time in the studio and the rest of the band didn't give a shit. [/color]

my replies were mainly to do with Freddie's songwriting during the 80s. i focused on Freddie, because his was the most obvious decline in songwriting quality...and the OP referred to Freddie's lifestyle as a reason for the drop off in song quality.

1970s:
Liar ¦ My Fairy King ¦ Great King Rat ¦ Jesus ¦ Ogre Battle ¦ FFMS ¦ Nevermore ¦ MOTBQ ¦ FHLI ¦ Seven Seas ¦ Killer ¦ Flick ¦ ITLOTG ¦ Bring Back That Leroy Brown ¦ Bo Rhap ¦ Seaside ¦ Lazing... ¦ Death On Two Legs ¦ LOML ¦ Somebody ¦ Millionaire ¦ Good Old Fashioned Loverboy ¦ YTMBA ¦ Champions ¦ Melancholy ¦ GDML ¦ Don't Stop Me Now ¦ Bicycle Race ¦ Jealousy ¦ Mustapha ¦ Let Me Entertain You

1980s:
Play The Game ¦ CLTCL ¦ Staying Power ¦ Body Language ¦ Life Is Real ¦ IAHL ¦ Man On The Prowl ¦ Keep Passing... ¦ Is This The World We Created ¦ Friends Will Be friends ¦ Pain Is So Close..¦ Princes Of The Universe

It doesn't matter which era you grew up in. there's no contest. for writing, construction, arrangement or completed song - the 70s is almost faultless. his 80s songs, by comparison are in the main "filler".

I love their songs from the 70's and 80's, I even have more favorite songs from 80's.
If they wanted to last long as a band, of course they couldn't make songs in the same way as at the beginning of their career.
Times change, styles change. Of course, their music also would be different in 90's, Inuendo and Made In Heaven albums give us a picture of what their music would have looked like if Freddie had not died and if they had continued to record.

RealWizard If your new shit site is better than this then what the fuck are you doing back here for then?
You and Brenski are 100% hypocrites advertising your site on here then you com back on here to spill more of your venom about me.
No one gives a toss so you are wasting your time and your views on Queen in the 80s is warped a bit like your brains what is left of them.

If we were to look at Freddie song types you could class them into catchy pop, flamboyant rock, ballads, epics or quirky ditties.

Pretty much only ballads and pop made it into the 80s. Was that lazy or was it just that the well had run dry. Or that they simply didn’t stylistically fit into 80s Queen. Was Mr Bad Guy lazy? I’m pretty sure he tried.

The 80 s seemed to be about crafting the powerful stadium rock frontman that lasts in the minds of the general public today. Somehow this seems linked to the narrower and range of Freddie’s writing and reduced output.

Getting into the 90s, I’m Going Slightly Mad was something of a comeback in writing. As was ,at a band level , Innuendo I certainly wish there had been an addition to the MOTBQ, Bo Rhap and Millionaire to Freddie’s canon but it wasn’t even attempted. Perhaps we were spared .