Roger's drumming at 46664

Guitar Hero...

Perhaps you might be right about Roger not being as good as he used to be. But from there to calling him names and wondering if he was drunk, is another story.

We all know he's not at the top of his game, but I'm sure most people here appreciate his effort to still play. Not to mention that he still has a good voice.

I think the man deserves more respect than to call him "pathetic".

"But from there to calling him names and wondering if he was drunk, is another story." What "names" did he call him? Rog admitted to liking a drink beforehand; wondering if alcohol is influencing his performance is hardly that big of a stretch!! "We all know he's not at the top of his game, but I'm sure most people here appreciate his effort to still play. Not to mention that he still has a good voice." GH never refuted any of that. Some of his comments from this thread, since you obviously didn't read them the first time 'round: <

I have to agree, Chantel. Guitar Hero was merely posting what he thought of Roger's performance - not only as a fan, but from a more professional point of view. The casual fan can say, "OK, Roger did fine," but the unbiased musician can view it and say, "Well, it was OK, but..." and point out what he thought were Roger's flaws.

And people who have openly criticized what Guitar Hero has had to say are being selective in what they're criticizing him about - they're obviously not taking the time to fully read and comprehend before they post.

It's nothing new on this board, is it?
F***in' stepfords can't stand any DISCUSSION... It's not the first time the discussion- really, really interesting one- is attacked by some morons who wish the board would be like "I love Queen"- "Oh, really, So do i"- "OMG, me to"....and so on...
We're all Queen fans, but we can discuss for f**k's sake!!! And I think this one is actually one of the best ones recently... But no, let's discuss about banning Charles or ask again about PreOrdained or what we REALLY think about Man In he Shadow or sth like that...
That's pathetic...!

I think it's not fair to (indirectly) slag Togg off. He just said that Roger's drumming was OK. You may agree or disagree with him (I personally wasn't impressed by Roger's drumming but I'm not a musician) but you can't deny that he's pretty far from being a stepford (unlike Mrs_Taylor for example). He just thinks Roger did a good job and now it's up to Guitar Hero or anybody else to point out mistakes in Roger's drumming, that's it.

I wonder why so many discussions recently ended in a heated argument.

Hmmm, thanks for that Mr Scully, I have to say I have felt all along that the spirit of this topic has been about discussing his recent efforts at 46664 and not an 'I love Queen you can't knock them' rant.

To me the whole point of a board like this is to debate, and I firmly believe everyone is intitled to their opinion, in this case I also firmly believe Guitar Hero's post to be in-accurate, but that doesn't mean it's about me knocking people who knock Queen.

Anyway back to the subject in hand, having watched it again last night I still feel there was nothing wrong with his performance, the Corrs song was in the spirit of the Oringinal (two drummers being the main point of difference) and one final point, the songs chosen were not ones that demanded much from a drummer, now had they decided to play 'Staying Power' 'Sheer heart attack' etc etc we might have seen what Rogers true caperbilities are these days!

Oh and please, 'stepford' I don't think so, give me a break.

Why has my last post arrived at the top of page three?, it was a reply to Mr Scully at the bottom, is it me, I was at a Christmas party last night but...

Togg - it sometimes happens on this board, maybe the posts are simply not sorted correctly. Must be some mysterious error in the ASP script.

Sorry TOGG but actually I wasn't even reffering to you... Exactly, as Mr Scully said, you had your points and you were trying to put them across- AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE!!! I said- we can and actually SHOULD discuss, meaning have different opinions... You're absolutely right- this is a place to DEBATE!! And I didn't call YOU a stepford; AGAIN- WASN'T REFFERING TO YOU.
Ok, what the heck... Check MrJingles' post- he didn't even read GH's post correctly, but he just slagged him... That's what I'm against!!! There are ppl on this board that can't, just simply can't discuss about anything... Check "Queen were vastly underrated" some 2 months ago......

Togg, sorry if you felt attacked- it wasn't my intention...maybe should have been more specific!

It's OK non taken Frederek

Ooops sorry ment Fenderek

I've watched Channel 4's broadcast now and it's even more pathetic than I thought - 70 mins, including commercial breaks and only WWRY/WATC featured *yawn* so I guess I'll never know what other songs you're all referring to till someone sensible decides to broadcast the entire concert.

For the record, I thought Roger looked and played them fine - but I suppose that's cos he's familiar with those songs?

Anyway, like I said,

"I haven't seen the TTF video yet but from the mp3 it sounds like there's a Bodhran player in there as well as two drummers."

No one picked up on that. A Bodhran is a loud percussion instrument used in Irish folk music (in place of drums)usually to play really fast and complicated beats. It may well just be that Roger wasn't tasked to play "complicated" stuff in TTF because of the Bodhran player.

"I'm sorry, GH, I didn't realise that by not being a musician I wasn't allowed to post in this thread."

Wow, way to twist my words. Did I say that non-musicians couldn't post in this thread? No, I think not. I contemplated throwing a childish insult at you, but I thought I'd refrain and maintain my dignity.

"But from there to calling him names and wondering if he was drunk, is another story."

Isn't someone allowed to wonder? At least I didn't say, "Roger is an alcoholic, end of story". Chantel's words are better than mine on this subject. Read above.

"I think the man deserves more respect than to call him "pathetic"."

I didn't call him pathetic... I said that about his drumming. There's a difference. :)

"And people who have openly criticized what Guitar Hero has had to say are being selective in what they're criticizing him about - they're obviously not taking the time to fully read and comprehend before they post."

At least some people here have a good head on their shoulders. Thanks Lester and Chantel, I can always count on you two. :)

"I wonder why so many discussions recently ended in a heated argument."

Because people blow their fuse when someone says Queen wasn't perfect. I can't count how many times I've had to say on this board that people tend to attack the person before they attack the problem/situation. It's too bad that people are so intellectually weak that they have to revert to attacking the bringer of words they don't agree with.

"It may well just be that Roger wasn't tasked to play "complicated" stuff in TTF because of the Bodhran player."

Nah, simply put, he was there to play, and he didn't know what to do, because he was unrehearsed. As a musician, I know what it feels like to be disoriented in a song, and try to make it look like you know what you're doing. It's a really helpless feeling! The only consolation is that you know that only musicians are the ones who will notice this. Anyway, this is possibly what Roger was going through during that song.

I think I'm going to take back my "I completely apologize for saying Roger has never played outside of 3/4 or 4/4 before" comment for a moment. Could someone tell me even 1 Queen song outside of these time signatures? May I note that 2/2, 6/8, 9/8 and 12/8 all fall into this category as well, as they're all rather common time signatures. I just mentioned those first two initially as simple examples.

When someone talks about obscure time signatures, we're talking about things like 5/12, 7/8, and 15/16 time. That stuff isn't in Queen songs. So yes, although drum beats can be fast and rather difficult to keep up with, my point was that Roger has never played in an obscure time sig in his life, hence it furthering my argument of how he was disoriented during Toss The Feathers.

The only exception I can think of would be April Lady, which falls in and out of a 3/2 (or a quick 3/4). In the liner notes of Ghost Of A Smile, Tim is very incorrect when he mentions a 5/4 time sig.

Hang on hang on, Queen are a rock band, what time sigs do you expect them to play in, the fact is Roager has probably played in more time sigs than pretty well any other rock drummer unless you play with Dweezle Zapper! I think Queens catalogue is more varied than most, how many other bands write stuff as varied as Bo Rap, ABTD and Bring back Leroy Brown!

Look, I think you are now twisting your comment to suit your arguement, what I objected to was you saying he had never played outside 4/4 3/4 in his life, if you are now going to add every variation of that then that's fine but it is not what you said.

And in answer to your question, I don't know off the top of my head I will have to look back over the song books, but keep in mind he also has played with a lot of other people/bands.

By the way one other point, in these type of mega concerts, how much time do you think he get to practice, my guess would be they only decide who's playing what a day or so before hand, so that doesn't leave a lot of time to get to learn it does it, I know when my band play a song the first couple of times we are pretty ropy to start with, the thought of only getting possible one proper run through and maybe a CD to listen to before you play in front of millions of people would fill me with dread.

So that being said, I reckon he did pretty bloody well don't you...