Saddam Captured

Well I heard about this news when I got home this morning from a party hearty night ;) Hehehe

I might say that I was quite shocked, never thought that the Yanks could pull it off. When I heard that "We Got Him" quote I got to admit, it made me feel queasy. Cockyness makes me feel queasy, and when Bush spoke, sheesh almost puked IMO. I would never respect a person of "celebrating" the capture of another human being no matter how much of a tyrant and low life is the person. Still this capture doesn't justify the war, because of the initial reasons of why the US invaded Iraq. However, this is remained to be seen because a lot of questions could be answered about the weapons of mass destruction.

Still, I don't think that this will "end the war". Although the war "ended" back in April. However, the US, UK, and Aussie troops that are there, and the the governments(Aznar, Bush, and Blair) should finish what they started. They were the ones that invaded Iraq for infamous reasons that hasn't been proved yet. Also, to bring "democracy" to Iraq, which I don't think its possible with the countless revolutionist factions in the Middle East. Violence in the ME was and still is a staple of their culture, like it or not, it is the truth. I don't think that "Americanising" (oops! meant "democrasing") Iraq would solve those eons of conflicts between military factions between revolutionist groups.

I don't think that this would be the end of terrorism either. Lets face it, terrorism is never going to end no matter how many wars (which IMO is considered as terrorism), peace treaties, and the sort will be done. Still, when a tyrant or mad man is captured there is always another one waiting in the wings.

Just heard that the DNA tests haven't been done yet, it takes close to 20 or so to complete. I assume that DNA samples were taken from Hussein's two sons. Qussay and Udai to perform those tests. Although I heard that Saddam did confess that it was him.

All of this remains to be seen, perhaps a 2 to 3 years military trial, which I think would lead Hussein to the death penalty. Because I don't think that the American government would suffice with life long prison sentence, its the death penalty they want for him.

I believe that the shift will be sway again back to Bin Laden, which by now, it isn't likely to be found. Still capturing Bin Laden would not justify terrorism either. It would justify the 9/11 attacks, the attacks on the USS Cole, and the American Embassy in Sudan (please correct me if I'm wrong here).

About the news coverage, like Guy pointed out, its arbitrary to the country you live in. The same goes for History. A history book, just like a news channel exaults the patriotic, and crushes the foreign. Facts can be distorded to conform and exault what is best of a country, never the worst.

Now I feel that North Korea is next on the agenda, they DO have weapons of mass destruction, and I would be scared shitless if a war will be happen against them.

I'm against any type of violent conflict, you could say that I'm either a coward or a pacifist. Still war never justifies anything, it violates human rights through and through. I'm a firm believer of not inflitrating foreign interests. The US government, as well as other First World governments, should concentrate of fixing their own problems. Its a fallacy to believe that a omnipotent country doesn't have any problems. Instead of wasting money in a unjustifiable war, they should take that money and put into good use such as education, medicine, and other internal problems.

Still this is only an opinion, flame all you want. I'll stick to my guns.

This has been my 750,000 dollars, instead of my 2 cents ;).

I agree X. There is a term that could be fitting for that and its called "Globalization". First World countries taken over Third World countries for their own benefit.

Dallas Tx :)

could you be a fellow texan too are just in ear shot?

It's about fucking time someone got that son of a bitch! I wish they'd have put a bullet in his head then and there.

i only have time to read "page three" but...hey...WE are living an historical moment!!Saddam's arrest will be on hystory books!!!i was driving in my car when i heard the first time about the event.

When I heard that "We Got Him" quote I got to admit, it made me feel queasy. Cockyness makes me feel queasy, and when Bush spoke, sheesh almost puked IMO. I would never respect a person of "celebrating" the capture of another human being no matter how much of a tyrant and low life is the person'.

Where exactly, in his Tv address, was Bush 'gloating', then? (It was Paul Bremer who boasted 'we got him!')

'Now I feel that North Korea is next on the agenda, they DO have weapons of mass destruction, and I would be scared shitless if a war will be happen against them.'

Fear not, the U.S. isn't going to invade North Korea - I think it fully realises that 'pre-emption' is only safe and justified in a small number of cases (i.e. NOT when your opponent has nukes and probably isn't afraid to use them), and I believe it will rely on China to contain Kim-Jong-Il and friends.

' I don't think that "Americanising" (oops! meant "democrasing") Iraq would solve those eons of conflicts between military factions between revolutionist groups. '

Not strictly true... 'democratising' Iraq will at least give these tribes a legitimate and peaceful means of settling their differences (though learning this 'habit' of peaceful settlement will admittedly take a long time and won't be achieved without more pro-active effort by outsiders to 'teach' democracy (for example, closing down fundamentalist Madrassas, election monitoring, balh, blah, blah).

'I don't think that this would be the end of terrorism either. Lets face it, terrorism is never going to end no matter how many wars (which IMO is considered as terrorism), peace treaties, and the sort will be done. Still, when a tyrant or mad man is captured there is always another one waiting in the wings.

I believe that the shift will be sway again back to Bin Laden, which by now, it isn't likely to be found. Still capturing Bin Laden would not justify terrorism either. It would justify the 9/11 attacks, the attacks on the USS Cole, and the American Embassy in Sudan (please correct me if I'm wrong here).'

Capturing Bin Laden is unlikely to achieve anything than granting him martyrdom. Al-Qaeda is not a massive organisation in itself, but it has affiliations with other terrorist 'cells' in many other nations, most of whom plan their own attacks and raise their own funds without extensive involvement from Bin Ladan. In fact, these terrorist cells with completely different objectives share fighters, tactics and weapons with eachother more than with their respective leaderships - so I doubt well even be able to get a lot of information about terrorist operations from Bin Laden if he were ever to be caught (and that's a big 'if'), though bringing him to some sort of justice will obviously galvanise the 'war on terror' and possibly demoralise the terrorists.

Ultimately, as long as the means and the motivation exist, terrorism will be used. A transnational threat like Al-Qaeda is especially difficult to tackle, as that makes it that much harder to survey and contain their activities (as the UK eventuallly managed witht the IRA). Perhaps if the U.S. placed more emphasis upon addressing the root causes of terorism (which, to be fair, its plans for democratisation in the middle east is for (shame its been limited by the miniscule federal foreign aid budget) and involved its supposed allies more in the (entirely justified) effort to destroy terrorist cells and stop WMD proliferation, then Al-Qaeda and friends may cease to pose such a major security risk at some point in the future.

Anyway, lets hope they can get on with the business of getting a proper new regime up and running in Iraq pronto, then there will be a real reason for the Iraqis to celebrate.

"It's about fucking time someone got that son of a bitch! I wish they'd have put a bullet in his head then and there."

WHY?'

Because it would save the hassle of a trial that would undoubtedly drag on for years and years, and that would no doubt end with his execution anyway. (Though I do actually think trying Saddam in an Iraqi court is the right thinkg to do - as a demonstration of how regimes should work).

Dallas Tx :)

could you be a fellow texan too are just in ear shot?


fellow texan near the broadcast tower...but is a texan in the listening area and around Dallas :)

"Where exactly, in his Tv address, was Bush 'gloating', then? (It was Paul Bremer who boasted 'we got him!')"

About the gloating, I meant Paul Bremer. Bush again he gloats that the Iraqui people is now free from Saddam,and that these terrorists will be defeated..., if that isn't cockyness I don't know what is, but that's what I perceived. One should never assume or presuppose anything, until the chain of events occurs.

"Not strictly true... 'democratising' Iraq will at least give these tribes a legitimate and peaceful means of settling their differences (though learning this 'habit' of peaceful settlement will admittedly take a long time and won't be achieved without more pro-active effort by outsiders to 'teach' democracy (for example, closing down fundamentalist Madrassas, election monitoring, balh, blah, blah)."

Teaching democracy?! I think First World countries (US UK) should check and correct themselves on that. There is no true form of democracy. Democracy is what is suitable for the government means. If corruption, not concentrating in the main issues of the homeland, implementing foreign policies, and invasion is democracy, I must be wrong!

"Capturing Bin Laden is unlikely to achieve anything than granting him martyrdom. Al-Qaeda is not a massive organisation in itself, but it has affiliations with other terrorist 'cells' in many other nations, most of whom plan their own attacks and raise their own funds without extensive involvement from Bin Ladan. In fact, these terrorist cells with completely different objectives share fighters, tactics and weapons with eachother more than with their respective leaderships - so I doubt well even be able to get a lot of information about terrorist operations from Bin Laden if he were ever to be caught (and that's a big 'if'), though bringing him to some sort of justice will obviously galvanise the 'war on terror' and possibly demoralise the terrorists."

I agree about the martydom of Bin Laden if he is killed or captured. It would greatly galvanise the "war" of terrorism, still war is terrorism. Innocent people being killed, and suffering months without shelter, food or clothing, treading from spot to spot trying to save themselves is a way to "fight" terrorism, I don't support it in the least. However it still baffles me that Saddam, and Bin Laden were once US allies, and to push the infamous foreign policies they have to pick an enemy.

Great, we found the bloke that we started looking for when we couldn't find the bloke that we were actually looking for.

So, who's next? I think we should hunt David Blunkett. He's easy to find, and he wouldn't see us coming. Who's with me?

"texan in the listening area and around Dallas :)"

so did you guys get any snow fluries?
(haven't heard any weather nor have I saught it out) Besides weather is better found out 1st hand.

So did ya?

It was clear as a bell here but I am enjoying the cool weather. Was 34* this morning but has warmed up to 66* as of now.

(hey is not talking about the thread topic a no no or is it permitted?)

rosanna

no snow just cold ...and partly cloudy today is sunny :>

"Because it would save the hassle of a trial that would undoubtedly drag on for years and years, and that would no doubt end with his execution anyway. (Though I do actually think trying Saddam in an Iraqi court is the right thinkg to do - as a demonstration of how regimes should work)."

Thanks. You saved me some typing.

Let me know if it snows and is predicted to stick so I can do something really stupid like drive up IH35 to go play in the snow.
It's ok. I'm a licensed trained professional driver.lol I'm also state certified! rloln.D

the worse you can do to him is hav him sit in USA federal prision with all the luxurys most americans cant afford for the rest of his life, which is whats gonna happen.