illegal copying

"Argument 2 - It's my property"

>True, the physical CD is, but not the intellectual property. Until you have created something on your own, then had it stolen without any due compensation, you >won't know how much that hurts. I assume that all intellectual property, whether computer software, sheet music, or textbooks are up for grabs with you?

This issue is endlessly debatable. I think artists have to accept the fact that once they've sold something, it belongs to the buyer. Not to profit from mind you.. that is clearly a violation of rights. Let's say I want to make 1000 cheeseburgers and give them away free. Am I ripping off McDonald's by doing so? If I make an exact copy of a McDonald's cheeseburger and give it away free, that's my right. I don't care how much the formulation is the intellectual property of McDonald's. As long as I don't call it a Big Mac and charge for it, they have no claim. Same with music. If I buy the damn CD and want to give copies to people free, I have every right to and I'd go to court on that!

--Pathetic. Not even close to being debatable. The rules are right there in the book that accompanies the CD. I would LOVE to see you try that argument in court. You'd be laughed right into cell block D. The intellectual property on the CD belongs to the artist plain and simple.
By the way, Zeni's argument totally devistated your puny attempt to justify illegal and potentially unethical behaviour.


"i don't give a fuck about it. i download things for free. and as for sheet music, if it's normal sized on the page, i print it out. big whoop! who cares?
i hate celebrities who are in the business just for the money and not because they love doing what they do for a living. then they complain when they can only afford a $3,000,000,000 house instead of a $4,000,000,000 house! BOO FUCKING HOO PEOPLE!!! EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO OR WATCH WHAT THEY WANT TO FOR FREE!!!
Even if there wasn't a such thing as Kazaa or other downloading programs, people would still find a way to get music for free! cd burner.... they could borrow their friend's cd and copy it onto their computer... see, free? cept it's uploading... anyway, you get the point..."
--Again, pathetic. It's all fine and dandy until someone steals from you. Transcribing sheet music is obviously very difficult and people won't do it if they cannot profit from it - bottom line. And there is a huge difference in sharing a CD with a couple of friends around the block and potential millions around the world.

Oh, and as for selling used CDs and free downloads, that's really just grasping for straws, isn't it?

Meanwhile, Best Buy had a copy of "Preordained" right there in the bin with my $17 Hot Space disc.

That's the kind of shit these laws were designed to stop.. not to keep people who love music and who do support artists from sharing.

I stand by everything I've said and that's the end of the discussion for me. :)

I like to buy CDs as long as the album is worth buying, and not just 2 or 3 good songs, and the rest are crap.
Sometimes I also buy songs from Itunes, or (the new) Napster.

I have to admit that I download songs from Kazaa by artists that I find quite annoying, and who already have way too much money.
For instance I think that Madonna, Sting, & Prince are a bunch of arrogant pricks who are full of themselves. I have to admit I enjoy some of their songs, but I really don't feel like making them richer than they are already.

God bless Kazaa!

P.S. Did anyone watch that South Park episode about downloading mp3s, where Lars Ulrich was crying because he couldn't afford a new pool in his mansion, and Britney couldn't afford a new private jet.

Actually, I think Zeni effectviely ended the discussion for you. *LOL*

I have totally no problem with downloading or copying CD's. I buy CD's in stores also, 1 or maybe 2 per month. The fact is I am, like Freddie used to say, a "musical prostitute". I like very different styles of music, so if I had to buy all the music I like, I'd be a very poor man. Of course all the Queen Albums I have original.

So I don't see any problem with me downloading and copying CD's

"Did anyone watch that South Park episode about downloading mp3s, where Lars Ulrich was crying because he couldn't afford a new pool in his mansion, and Britney couldn't afford a new private jet."

That was a great episode...

I don't mind downloading, I download tons of stuff too. But I do hate it when people listen to that music every day and say they love it. If you really enjoy the music, you should buy it IMO. You're not going to steal a car when you can't afford one either, right?

Most of the time I download a lot of albums from an artist, and when I like some of the stuff I'll buy the originals. In the last year I've discovered Valensia, Beatles, Genesis, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush etc etc through downloading. Of all of them I've bought at least 5 cd's in the last 6 months. And don't say "I don't have the money", most of my cd's are 10 euros each at max - buying cd's online @ play.com or other sites is a lot cheaper then buying them in the stores!

*I don't have money*
...so I steal, right?
F**k it
Those who buy illegal stuff (or download it) aren't true music fans; it's just f**ckin theft, that's what it is...
Normal price of CD in HMV is let's say 16.99? But wait till bloody sale and you'll buy "hot Space" for example for £5. It's not much, is it?! Go to second hand shop, and with a bit of luck you'll pay even less!!!
That's a pretty lame excuse IMO...

About "I downloaded so I already paid" comment- That's even lamer...

And one more thing...
When ppl don't buy official stuff and download it instead, than sells aren't very good... Let's say Bri and Roger are thinking about releasing some stuff from 70ties, some live album... Well- what for? It's not gonna sell- they think- ppl will download it from internet anyway... We won't earn on it so...Won't bother...
Think about it...

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"Those who buy illegal stuff (or download it) aren't true music fans"

LOL, so I guess you've never downloaded one single track. Or listened to any of the Queen demo's, etc.
I'll sit in the corner with the the non-real music fans because I download non-available bootlegs. Fuck me.

eggy>>
I wasn't talking about bootlegs, about stuff you can't buy in the shops!!! I was talking ONLY about copies (mp3 or illegal, cheap CD- whatever) of OFFICIALLY RELEASED MATERIAL
And I won't fuck you- you're not my type...

People download music because it's easy to download. When you download music to your own computer in your own home you just don't feel like stealing, do you?

But mp3s never replace the real CD. When I first had Audiogalaxy I downloaded endless amounts of music which I never really listened to and so I gave it up. But I still buy CDs (and music DVDs) on a regular basis. What I don't buy are copy controlled CDs because I don't want to be an honest customer being treated like a potential criminal.

The world is fucked!There's some people out there making a living by doing something more stressful and important than entertaining(music is my life,but come on).Everything is reversed,I know it's not easy becoming a rock star(well lately i don't know,listen to the new 'genre' of rock and you'll notice it),but hey,do there job compare's itself with,for instance,accouting?!Society would rather spend millions buying cd's than helping their fellow man. Face facts that's how the world is today. Sad I know but that's the way it is.Well,it would be selfish for people who make this kind of money not to give to charity, but they do...
Some don't, but most do
Alot of them do it becasue of their public image.But then again there are alot of them that do it out of the goodness of their "mind".... (The heart has nothing to do with sympathy.)

I probably don't agree with how today's system works,but hey it's not unfair,that's the way it works,right!

Bootlegs are just as illegal as CD-rs.
You are stealing off the artist no matter whether its officially released or not. You're black and white picture just don't work.

You're right