illegal copying

"what if you don't even have that much...?"

Ah, delayed gratification, or is entitlement inherent in this next generation?

I guess that because my car was unjustly and severly damaged by a runaway spare tire, I am entitled to steal a new car of my choosing because I do not want to have to pay a second car payment. :)

That being said ...

Bullwinkle's situational morality for the entertainment industry (ratings from 1 - guilt-free, to 5 - five finger discount, and beyond ...):

1 - Downloading / trading of unreleased music (see my sig)

2 - Downloading / trading of out of print songs / albums (musical industry could easily sell these item to reduce downloading but is too lazy)

3 - Downloading / trading of bonus tracks. I rarely do this, but my situational ethics says that the music industry re-selling an album again for a few bonus songs borders on thievery as well (I have so far resisted buying or downloading the new Wembley CD with 4 bonus tracks).

3 - bootlegging for profit. Musicians could stop this by releasing the music (like Pearl Jam). Personally, I love bootleg CD's as I have greatly enriched my Queen collection this way. I have no problem with purchasing bootlegs and I have no problems with music bootleggers (who only supply what the record industry is too lazy to provide).

4 - Downloading / trading of overpriced imports. I rarely do this (Queen Rocks video), but when the price is double that of a domestic release I do not feel I am getting value when I purchase an import.

4 - downloading a song because the rest of the album or the song itself is crap. I did download the Robbie William's version of We Are The Champions, but I deleted it the same day I downloaded it.

5 - occasional downloading (or copying from a friend) of whole albums that are domestically available. I have never downloaded whole albums, but I have taped albums from friends (does doing this over 15 years ago in my youth make it OK??? LOL). Oops, I did trade for a VHS copy of the Made in Heaven videos a few years ago after I had bought (and returned) a defective video at Tower Records. Shame on me.

666 - Downloading commercially available stuff more often than buying.

"Ah, delayed gratification, or is entitlement inherent in this next generation?"

Eh?? Zeni?? - You sound sooo old ... LOL

My mom just got a birthday card yesterday for her 65th birthday (from her younger cousin). It stated:

On your 65th birthday you are now entitled to say: "In my day ..."

Back in the 70s and 80s record companies executives thought that because a lot of people recorded songs from the radio or made copies from a friend's vinyl or casette, a huge crisis was going to come upon the record industry.

So they've been pretty much whining since then.

I agree in a lot of terms that downloading is wrong. But so is charging 16 dollars for a CD that costs less than a dollar to make.

"what if you don't even have that much...?"

Then you should be working now, instead of posting useless messages on a notice board! Get yourself a job!

Btw, I only buy Queenrelated stuff. I download everything else. I plea (sp?) guilty. I do have principles, but I hardly ever use them, unless I can benefit from it.

I make a point of only downloading songs that have been released in aid of a charity. Band Aid, Children in Need, Bo Rhap 1991 etc.
That way I can be assured that the artist in question is not missing out on his/her paycheck.

fatty.

"I agree in a lot of terms that downloading is wrong. But so is charging 16 dollars for a CD that costs less than a dollar to make."

You don't pay for the CD, you pay for the music. You can argue the same about books, it doesn't cost $20 to print a book, but you don't buy a book for the pages, do you?

<< You don't pay for the CD, you pay for the music. You can argue the same about books, it doesn't cost $20 to print a book, but you don't buy a book for the pages, do you? >> I'm talking about every single aspect involved in the production of the CD. Obviously that includes music too.

Then you should be working now, instead of posting useless messages on a notice board! Get yourself a job!

there are a few people on this board that are not of legal age to work so take in consideration..

"I'm talking about every single aspect involved in the production of the CD. Obviously that includes music too."

Aha...

Well, do you really think artists would continue to make music if they just covered costs and didn't gain anything\gain very little?

<< Well, do you really think artists would continue to make music if they just covered costs and didn't gain anything\gain very little? >> If CD prices went down (which in fact some record companies and stores are already doing), people would be buying more music. It's the fair thing to pay for the music you're listening to, but with high prices who wants to buy music when you can download it instead. To me record companies shouldn't charge more than 10 dollars for one single CD.

"It's the fair thing to pay for the music you're listening to, but with high prices who wants to buy music when you can download it instead.
To me record companies shouldn't charge more than 10 dollars for one single CD."

Come on, even if each CD would cost $3 some people would still download - "why pay when you can get it for free?".

I knew I shouldn't have initiated this topic >sigh<

I agree that new cds are WAY overpriced. But I have to say here that I charge $100 to do a wedding. Some people might think that is a lot but when you consider the hours of practicing I have spent to get good enough to play at a wedding, not so bad. ON the other hand, I usually don't buy new cds as I said earlier. Hey I'm a starving musician! Plus I'm underage and not allowed to have a non musical job because my dad says it will take away from my ppractice time.

<< Come on, even if each CD would cost $3 some people would still download - "why pay when you can get it for free?". >> My point is that neither people who constantly download songs, nor the record industry are being fair.

<<"what if you don't even have that much...?" Then you should be working now, instead of posting useless messages on a notice board! Get yourself a job!>> I'M ONLY 13!!!!!! I'VE ALREADY SAID THAT!!!!!!! i knew that Fallen the one who said "Then you should be working now, instead of posting useless messages on a notice board! Get yourself a job!>>" obviously didnt read all the facts...